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 Posted: 05/22/07 - 18:36 Post subject: Re: Abortion Is Always Wrong - Read This And Become Enlightn |
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| tingey wrote: |
I have heard for many women that aborted just like that, without any guilt or regret for doing this. I am terrified how someone can kill innocent child because of any reason. This sounds so terrible that each time I hear some woman abort, I wish her dead too. I do not know if there is more of people thinking like I do, but I cannot help myself. Abortion is always wrong, no matter of reason it should be done.
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To be someone who has experienced and gone through an abortion, i have to strongly disagree with you there. fair enough everyone has their own veiws blah blah, but the pain and suffering, emotionally and physically is bad enough without people like you critising the woman who have to make this decision, usually all by their selves. before i had to terminate my baby, i admit, i thought abortion was cruel and unnatural. but once your in the situation yourself, its a completly different story. i have had possibly the worst few months of my life, and im still not over it completly, but people like you, saying how you wish the woman who do this to their babies were dead, make this type of problem alot worse. would you say the same if you got yourself into this situation? |
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| Posted: 05/22/07 - 23:54 Post subject: abortion isn't wrong and you shouldn't judge those who think |
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| honestly i just think whoever feels that they need to get an abortion they have their own reason and just because some of you think you are all high and holy and say that you would never have an abortion.. well some people out there cant consider adoption because that means carrying the baby to full term and also telling their parents. some young women know if they tell their parents they wont live to even have the baby.. no joke. right now i am in a very difficult situation my bf and i are pregnant but i cant have this baby my father is very abusive and he swore on my mothers grave that if i had ever gotten pregnant at a young age he would put my in the ground. so i cant tell him. i cant leave and so i am choosing to have an abortion. you should not judge me for fearing my father. if i didn't have a crazy father than i would carry the baby to full term and give it up for adoption but i just cant. so do not judge what you do not know. |
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| Posted: 05/23/07 - 10:40 Post subject: |
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| helpisontheway wrote: | so, you people who condemn abortion, I assume you also condemn birth control, masturbation, condoms, the pill, the emergency contraception, the IUD?, the patch, the coil, the withdrawal, films, spermacides and rythm method equally?
because they are all preventing the natural, the will of god, to happen, preventing life from being created for the sexual pleasure of two people, so they can have all the fun and waste millions of sperm which were created for the purpose of creating life? its surely immoral also?
and I am sure that when women and children are raped, they have to go through the full term, the pain and labour of having a baby the toll it bears on their innocent bodies? for a child to be born into poverty? thats just?
maybe it would be more productive to go and debate other evils in the modern world, the murderers and rapists, the corrupt government and the wars for oil and social control? the theives and domestic abusers and drug users, instead of picking on a group of innocent women?
as said before, this is NOT a debate forum, people will do what they feel is best. You wont change their minds. you are just evoking painful memories for some people who had to go through an abortion themselves. |
yes that is true that those things do prevent pregnancy, but they also dont kill the unborn baby inside of these women do they. if a women is not ready to have a baby then she should not have sex until she is ready. and i think that if you do have sex without using protection or something that will help prevent pregnancy and you get pregnant then you should have that baby. you shouldnt have been so stupid to have sex like that if you were concerned about having a baby. it is not the babies fault that you were careless. you should never kill an unborn baby unless it was medical problems, rape, or incest. |
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| Posted: 06/13/07 - 23:05 Post subject: |
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| guest wrote: | there is a DIFFERENCE between a the mothers egg and tissue and a CHILD. Abortion is the removal of this tissue, the fertalized egg is not even a person yet. isnt consious, isnt thinking or living, it doesnt even have a heart or lungs.
the definition of when a fertalized egg becomes a fetus is debated, but generally accepted to be when the heart starts beating.
I AGREE WITH YOU that abortion after this stage is wrong, and has been left too late. the barbaric methods of abortion are evil. but i support the chemical ones that are carried out in the first weeks of gestation.
people in higher social classes are educated and are at a lesser risk of unwanted conception. if you have the money to raise a child you should be able to raise it. if youa re stupid enough to leave the abortion too late into pregnancy you shouldnt have it either.
I BELEIVE IN ABORTION WHEN IT IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE MOTHER AND CHILD THAT A PREGNANCY DOES NOT OCCUR. IF THERE IS NO EXCUSE TO KILL A CHILD THEN IT SHOULDNT BE DONE.
that is what i was trying to defend. that not ALL abortions are evil, it isnt ALWAYS wrong. just like euthaniasia, you should do what is the most loving thing in that situation.
finally, I have never had an abortion, I have never needed to, I have never known anyone else who has either. because I am not retarded and I know how to have safe sex. SO DONT MAKE THINGS PERSONAL AND TALK ABOUT ME DIRECTLY.
On a discussion forum we discuss things maturely and openly, and free from persecution, if you disagree with my opinion thats fine. but you can debate this sensibly without calling ME names. |
I would like to add just a bit of"2 cents" worth to the forum, if I may. FIRST OF ALL.. this information comes from a friend whom husband is a OBGYN....women generally do not know they are pregnant until they are passed their first missed period. Just some information (not condescending...ok) A "fetus" is FULLY formed at 10 weeks of gestation, but continues to grow larger. The life, wether it be 2 weeks or ten weeks is life. The baby has a heart, a formed spine, a brain, and ready to just grow.
Now, on the topic of rape. I personnaly know a young lady who was raped at the age of 15 years old. We did her pregnancy test together, and it was positive. We sat in silence and she smiles. She said "Mrs. I know this is going to be a difficult road to travel, and I know that it is going to be scary extremely at times, but this baby had N0 CH0ICE about how she was concieved, and i am not going to kill my baby. She has every right to live. I am going to raise her the best I can and fight for her. THis is going to be a tough road, but I know God will get me through it." I was speechless, nothing t0o say. She is now a strong young woman, doing EXTREMELY well. She told me that she knew that being pregnant WAS NOT about her, she need to be strong. |
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| Posted: 06/13/07 - 23:16 Post subject: Re: Abortion Is Always Wrong - Read This And Become Enlightn |
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| Guest wrote: | | tingey wrote: |
I have heard for many women that aborted just like that, without any guilt or regret for doing this. I am terrified how someone can kill innocent child because of any reason. This sounds so terrible that each time I hear some woman abort, I wish her dead too. I do not know if there is more of people thinking like I do, but I cannot help myself. Abortion is always wrong, no matter of reason it should be done.
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What is so enlightning about this post? You are hardly living in reality. Abortion is NESSICARY for some women. Most women don't just go off and get abortions because they are great fun, and they don't make the decision on a whim without intense thought and great care, they get abortions not because they "want" to but because for what ever reason they NEED too. It is a last resort solution to a unpleasant situation when all other BC methods failed and the other options have been thought through and ruled out. I find it crazy when "pro-life" people wish DEATH on women because they aborted a 12 week or less embryo/fetus...which is not even "alive". Seems you contradict your own beliefs dear.....which makes those beliefs invalid.
As to weather or not abortion is "wrong" you can't say. It's a matter of PERSONAL OPPINION that varries from individual to individual. Your oppinion that abortion is "wrong" is not the supreme ruling in moral authority for all living women/people. People are quite capable of thinking through the issue and/or medical decision of abortion for themselves and coming to thier own conclusions about the morality of it. |
I am not sure who posted this information, but you are not correct. The CHILD is completely formed at 10 weeks of gestation...check into some RELIABLE medical facts information services. The child continues to grow. As a matter of fact, the brain, the spine, the heart and other functioning organs are completely formed. There is NO opinion in these facts. I do not place this post to be nasty or otherwise, but I think, as women we ALLL really need to be made aware of the truth of these things.
There are MANY different conclusions about morality or such in this issue, however, I truly believe that women need to know of the emotional "scarring" that does occur. Yes, I do believe a woman should be able to choose, but we are not one anothers enemy. We should all face the truth together. I have been on both sides of the spectrum, and I have seen the truth of these facts and studied ALOT about this. Lets have some peace about this ladies and not attack one another |
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| Posted: 06/14/07 - 21:51 Post subject: abortion |
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"Abortion" is a very sensitve and emotiional topic. While non of us can really predict the future, it is not easy to bring a child into the world in unfortunate circumstances for that parent and child to suffer in every sense of the word. Ok a woman acted irresponsible and got pregnant- she should know better next time but you see everyone makes mistakes. what if she doesn't have the money or emotional support? What about depression - something that can affect the proper development of a baby? That baby is being denied a lot of things before it's even born if you read me. (And I'm not saying abortion is right)
It is one of the most hurtful thing for a mother to watch her child suffer whether it's her fault or not. So many people brought their children into the world and they died having very little or nothing. Some turned out violent & like monsters because all they faced in life was stress, depravation, hunger and everything unpleasant. Yes I know many turn out fine and I can mention so much more..but the point I want to make is this. People should be careful about how they address topics like this because you just never know what you what do if you were in a certain situation - trust me we just never know. |
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| Posted: 06/17/07 - 21:52 Post subject: Re: abortion |
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| Guest wrote: | Have you noticed it's always about God? You don't see Buddha complaining. Oh, well.
There are mixed feelings about abortion.
Basically, just do what is right for you.
I know many people who are against abortion. I don't think I could have an abortion myself. But am I against people having the choice? No!
Who here remembers what it was like to be thirteen? How many pregnant thirteen year olds are there? There are children out there who are nine years old and are pregnant. They could never survive childbirth. Abortion is a major option for them.
What if you were raped at the age of thirteen? Do you not deserve a choice?
"But it is against God's will!" you cry. Yes, well, so is a woman's rights. The Bible is not the law. It is a person's opinion, nothing more, nothing less. The Bible was not faxed down to earth by God. A person wrote the Bible. It is an opinion which is agreed upon by millions of people. No one knows what's God's will, or if there even is a God. What you believe is right for you. Only you control yourself, and yourself ONLY. You do NOT control anyone else with your beliefs.
I'll repeat that. Your beliefs do not affect anyone else but yourself. If you believe abortion is wrong, the answer is not to have an abortion. If you believe abortion is right for you, then by all means, have an abortion.
Instead of arguing about abortion, we should be stopping those who force women into having one. How many have been forced into an abortion against their will? We should stop arguing about Freedom of Choice, and help those in need!
You say abortion is risky. YES it is. But so is EVERY SINGLE MEDICAL PROCEDURE. 2000 people a year die from the REGULAR DOSE OF ASPRIN. It is risky to take an asprin. It is risky to have a liver transplant. It is risky to cross the street, to ride on a bus, to stand in your shower. Everything has a risk. It all depends on what you believe is right for you.
Evil? We are all evil. Look what we have done to this world. JUST LOOK AROUND. We are all unnatural. One more thing is
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Hi Guest,
I am reading your post here this late, and I was pretty amazed at the comments that I am reading from you. Have you ever seen a 4=D SONOGRAM? Did you know that a baby is COMPLETELY FORMED by 10 weeks? Perhaps reading other selections than the lies that planned parenthood purports. I am not judging you at all, just concerned where you are getting your facts. God does not need to be defended or "bashed". Ugly and defensive comments toward God are your right to say, but they dont sound to be coming from someone who ENTIRELY has researched and understand the conpexities and TRUTH of either subject. |
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IT IS NOT compeletely formed, LOOK UP fetal medicine websites, those pro life websites are not accurate.
I work in the healthcare field, I KNOW fetal development.
Read this, as I am not allowed to link information..
Fourth Month
At this stage, the fetus is fully formed and looks much more human although his head is still large in proportion to body. Now the baby is far less likely to be harmed by infections or other drugs. All the organs will start growing and improving their activities. The muscles are developing, so the baby moves much more. The kidneys are producing urine which is discharged from time to time into the aminotic fluid. Aminotic fluid is also continually added to by seepage through the surface of the placenta and from the fetal surfaces. The fetus swallows the fluid which is absorbed through his intestine. The fluid is thus being changed continually. The fetus is now practicing breathing movements. A thin, transparent and downy air called lanugo begins to cover him. His eyelashes and eyebrows is forming and has a bridge to his nose. Teeth are beginning to form in his gums and finger and toe nails are more definite. The baby has vocal cords and taste buds and can now suck her thumb. The heart is beating about 120 to 160 beats a minute. By the end of this month he weighs 140 gms (approx) and measures about 15-17 cm. |
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| Carifairy wrote: | IT IS NOT compeletely formed, LOOK UP fetal medicine websites, those pro life websites are not accurate.
I work in the healthcare field, I KNOW fetal development.
Read this, as I am not allowed to link information..
Fourth Month
At this stage, the fetus is fully formed and looks much more human although his head is still large in proportion to body. Now the baby is far less likely to be harmed by infections or other drugs. All the organs will start growing and improving their activities. The muscles are developing, so the baby moves much more. The kidneys are producing urine which is discharged from time to time into the aminotic fluid. Aminotic fluid is also continually added to by seepage through the surface of the placenta and from the fetal surfaces. The fetus swallows the fluid which is absorbed through his intestine. The fluid is thus being changed continually. The fetus is now practicing breathing movements. A thin, transparent and downy air called lanugo begins to cover him. His eyelashes and eyebrows is forming and has a bridge to his nose. Teeth are beginning to form in his gums and finger and toe nails are more definite. The baby has vocal cords and taste buds and can now suck her thumb. The heart is beating about 120 to 160 beats a minute. By the end of this month he weighs 140 gms (approx) and measures about 15-17 cm. |
Hi Carifairy,
I am also in the healthcare field, NOT in the abortion field. I believe these resources to be reliable, and I also know an OBGYN as he is husband to a very dear friend. You claim to be non-judgemental, why do you then refer to my resources as either pro-life or pro-"choice"? THE FACTS speak for themselves, have you ever seen a 4 D sonogram? How can you lie to these girls? Do you give them a step by step reading of what they are going to have done to their bodies? Do you show them anything? Do you let them see the sonograms? Do you explain to them EXACTLY the tools that will be used, what they are used for? Do babies not have heart beats and formed spines at (at least partially) at 10 weeks? If you want to tell these girls on this site the truth, how about posting EXACTLY what the tools are that you people use, and EXACTLY what you are going to be doing?
I have read both sides of the "coin" so to speak. I have researched for MANY years both by myself and with the help of fellow colleagues and with PROFESSIONAL OBGyN doctors. I think my next post is going to explan IN DETAIL what is done to these womens bodies. I know EXACTLY what is done. I think of myself NO BETTER than anyone else; however, it absolutely disgusts me to see women taking advantage of and lying to other women.
Yes, we are DEFINETELY entitiled to speak our minds, but WE SHOULD all be presenting FACTS. The fact that you mentioned what you thought to be "pro-life" information tells me that you indeed are not very much non judgmental with others. I didnt state wether or not I was pro choice or pro life.
I hold NO JUDGEMENT OR DISDAIN toward ANY woman who has chosen abortion, my heart goes out to them. I hold disdain for those who purport lies and deceipt in the way for the "mighty dollar". |
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At 'my' clinic, ALL women are offered to look at their ultrasound, and about 80% do wish to look.
We thoroughly explain every detail about the abortion procedure, including anesthesia risks, HOW the procedure is performed, and birth control counseling. Why would someone not explain this?
There are 'bad' doctors in abortion, there are BAD cosmetic surgeons, and there are other physicians that are only concerned with money.
Hackjob doctors exist in any medical specialty.
On a side note, I have had an abortion, more than one actually, and am fully able to explain the procedure to women with first hand knowledge, not just 'facts'.
Education is of extreme importance to me, education on STD prevention, pregnancy prevention, condom use, and contraception, are things that are necessary. |
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