Abortion Is Always Wrong - Read This And Become Enlightned

Carifairy · Veteran Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 2727

We do not send tissue off to a lab, unless the woman is having an abortion for fetal deformity.

We ensure that the pregnancy is terminated through ultrasound technology.

Our clinic goes up to 20 weeks in gestation. I have only seen 5 aboritons past 14 weeks in the last 8 months, 3 were due to early caught deformity/fetal anomaly.

"PBA" or the so called partial birth abortion is MAINLY used in ONE select scenario. There is something called a Labor and delivery induction abortion, which most clinics do not do, and if the fetus has Hydrocephalus, it may not be able to be delivered unless the skull is collapsed.

D&E abortion is done for later term abortions, the fetus is dismembered inside of the uterus, and the parts are suctioned out.

Here are the different types of abortions...

I want to write a post discussing Abortion, the procedures which are offered NOWADAYS(like my word?), and how it has changed in the past 30+ years.

Right now abortion is safe, it is performed by LISCENSED doctors in sterile conditions, and is regulated by local health departments.

Techniques.... There are 3 ways an abortion is performed in THE US today, SURGICAL, medications, and "Labor and delivery induction". Today, abortion is not known as the PAINFUL procedure it once was known as. There are Anesthesia options available at MOST nicer clinics, and more women take advantage of this extra option. My abortion was painless 100%. Back in the 1980's, abortion was given a painful reputation due to the lack of anesthetics being offered by abortion providers.
**Todays Abortion:
*Surgical abortion is the most effective way to terminate a pregnancy, and it is performed with Suction Aspiration which is applied via a suction curretage machine. For most early abortions from 4-12 weeks, no metal insturments are needed inside of the uterus, ONLY suction is used. Some clinics offer MANUAL vacuum pumps for an early abortion from 3 through 7/8 weeks, and these are not as noisy as the machines. FROM 12 weeks to about 15 weeks, the same suction is used, but the cervix must be dilated a bit large to allow a larger suction cannula into the uterus. Some doctors also use an overnight seaweed dilator for the cervix, which softens the cervix prior to the abortion procedure day.This technique can make dilation easier. FROM 16 WEEKS through--- Whenever the law accepts, D&E is used. D&E uses SUCTION ASPIRATION, but there are metal instruments isnerted into the uterus to dismember the fetus and ensure ALL parts are completely suctioned out. NOTHING IS PARTIALLY BORN.
*** Medication abortion--abortion by pill** A woman is given a drug to STOP the fetus from growing, and it is killed thorugh this process. In 24-48 hours, she uses another drug which creates contractions which expel the fetus. the contrcations last an average of 4 hours.

***Labor and delivery abortion** There are women who do WANT Their babies, and were happy about the pregnancy, but they find out that their baby has a defect. Trisomy 18, Anencephaly, Hydrocephalus, Dandy walker syndrome, these are only a few terribly disfiguring diseases whick women may terminate for. These were wanted pregnancies, so many women want to hodl their "BABY" and have closure. Many women also choose other perosnal ceremonies, cremation, and even autopsy to see if they can recieve any new info. Their Labor is induced with Pitocin, just like any other labor which is induced. Their membranes may be stripped, and they will eventually deliver a stillborn baby. The baby is born stillborn due to a shot of Digoxin into the heart. Sometimes the baby has a defect which causes its head to be filled with massive amount of fluid, and it cannot be delivered through the cervix, so the head is collapsed to allow safe passage. This is the SUPPOSED PBA technique, which is highly misunderstood among even pro choicers.

SO..WHAT about "Back Then"??
Back in the 'day', abortion was done a little bit differently, and often most women did not recieve anesthesia, they were awake. Suction abortion was used, but D&C via a metal loop currette was often used as well. Suction is easier, and it creates fewer bleeding problems than a D&C with metal currettes would. Later abortions past 12/13 weeks were done VIA SALINE Amniocentesis, or Saline abortion. This was basically a "Labor and delivery" abortion done in a different way than we do today, and it carried many risks. SALINE was inserted into the amniotic fluid, this would kill the fetus and cause the woman to soon deliver a stillborn baby. The fetus was not euthanized beforehand though, so it is safe to say that there were live births recorded. Saline also created risks for the woman and her health as well. D&E is safer thah SALINE abortion, and it has replaced it. SALINE abortion is no longer needed or performed thanks to better techniques.

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I am stunned.
I have never been an advocate of abortion but i have always believed that it should be offered for medical or genuine necessities, like a pregnancy where the mother has been raped and is unable to continue the pregnancy.
But, honestly after reading the above post, i have thought more about it.
I feel so much for the poor foetuses/babies who go through this. And yes, to me a foetus is a baby.
It sounds barbaric and very wrong.
I suppose when you actually hear of the way it is carried out, it makes it more real.
It is scary to think there are actually doctors/medical persons who can carry out any of these procedures.
I am a mother so i suppose it hits me harder.
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Hizgrace4all · Silver Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 196

An important scientific gathering was convened in October 1967 in Washington D.C. to decide this question. Medical professionals, biological scientists and authorities in the fields of law, ethics and the social sciences gathered together to settle the matter. This was the First International Conference on Abortion. The first major question considered was this: "When does human life begin?" And this is an important question, for we all know that we should not kill human beings. But when does an unborn child become a human being? At conception when the two cells unite, at birth forty weeks later, or at some point between the two?

Here was the decision of this group (composed of biochemists, professors of obstetrics and gynecology, geneticists, etc.):

"The majority of our group could find no point in time between the union of sperm and egg, or at least the blastocyst stage [shortly after fertilization, when twinning might occur] and the birth of the infant at which point we could say that this was not a human life. The changes occurring between implantation, a six-weeks embryo, a six months fetus, a one week-old child, or a mature adult are merely stages of development and maturation."—First International Conference on Abortion, Washington B.C., October 1967.

Hizgrace4all · Silver Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 196

Abortions in the United States for rape, incest, to protect the life of the mother, or to void a defective fetus comprise less than five percent of all abortions. The rest are performed just for convenience. And we're talking about one million abortions a year.

Hizgrace4all · Silver Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 196

Vacuum Aspiration/Dilation and Curetlage (D&C): up to 14 weeks after LMP

This surgical abortion is done early in the pregnancy up until 14 weeks after the woman’s last menstrual period. The cervical muscle is stretched with dilators (metal rods) until the opening is wide enough to allow the abortion instruments to pass into the uterus. Laminaria (thin sticks derived from plants) may also be inserted several hours before the procedure. A hand held syringe is attached to tubing that is inserted into the uterus and the baby is torn from the uterine wall and suctioned out into a collection bottle. If the baby is larger, the doctor will insert a loop-shaped steel knife into the uterus connected to the tubing of the suction machine. The knife cuts the baby’s body into pieces and the suction pulls the parts out of the uterus. The placenta is also scraped off the uterine wall with the knife

Dilation and Evacuation (D&E): 15 to 18 weeks after LMP

This surgical abortion is done during the second trimester of pregnancy. Because the developing fetus doubles in size between the eleventh and twelfth weeks of pregnancy, the body of the fetus is too large to be broken up by suction and will not pass through the suction tubing. In this procedure, the cervix must be opened wider than in a first trimester abortion. This is done by inserting laminaria a day or two before the abortion. After opening the cervix, the doctor twists and tears away parts of the baby with forceps. This continues until the entire baby is removed from the womb. The baby’s head needs to be crushed so it can be removed. The bones in the skull are so hard that they could cut the cervix upon removal.

Dilation and Extraction (D&X): 19 to 20 weeks after LMP

Also know as Partial-birth Abortion, this procedure takes three days. During the first two days, the cervix is dilated and medication is given for cramping. On the third day, the woman receives medication to start labor. After labor begins, the abortion doctor uses ultrasound to locate the baby’s legs. Grasping a leg with forceps, the doctor delivers the baby up to the baby’s head. At this point, the baby is alive and in most cases, the baby is able to survive outside the mother’s womb at the age of 23 weeks. Next, scissors are inserted into the base of the skull and the scissors blades are spread apart to create an opening. A suction catheter is placed into the opening and the brain is sucked out. The skull collapses and the baby is removed

Carifairy · Veteran Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 2727

ACTUALLY..D&E is used for abortions THRU 26+ weeks...

You can look at any abortion clinics personal website to see what techniques that they use.

Hizgrace4all · Silver Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 196

Hi Carifairy,
You know, I just wanted to let you know. I know that no matter what side of this issue WE women are one, all of us, it is always a subject matter that CAN cause a great deal of tension and possible heated arguments. Thank you for keeping "unheated" and presenting your facts as you know them. I appreciate it lots.
I wasnt able to present my "researches" until now. I fell and suffered a MAJOR injury to my foot which could have resulted in amputation of my foot. So I recovering.
You know, the choices that all of us make, no matter what choices we are faced with, should never give any other human being an "excuse" to judge another. Compassion and true care for another is priceless.
Thanks Carifairy for your "calm"...could not think another word.
Hizgrace

Carifairy · Veteran Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 2727

I am very calm =)

D&X is used in certain circumstances, hydrocephalus is one of the biggest cases in which it is used.

A lot of women that abort for fetal deformity wish to have an intact fetus, this helps with closure and healing, and with this illness the head is 3-5 times larger than a full term infant.

For "Birth control" abortions, which is the easiest term to use, as it explains everything, D&E is the method used =)

Hizgrace4all · Silver Member Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 196

Hi Again,
You mentioned Hydrocephalus. Interestingly enough, I have a good friend who had her first baby, and she had hydrocephalus. Although it was an issue at first, apparently the pediatric doctors have been able to help her through it, Im not sure exactly how extensive it was. She is a bit considered on the "slow" side of their learning curve, but shes well.

I had another girlfriend, who had a baby who had SERIOUS hydrocephalus (you reminded me of this when you mentioned the mom wanting to hold the baby for closure), and she carried full term, had her labor, and was able to hold her baby and be with him for about 9 hours before he died. She said he was just beautiful, but was relieved to be able to look at him and hold him in his last little moments.

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