Pregnancy is Invasion

TWells · Newbie Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 3

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TWells · Newbie Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 3

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Liz84 · Newbie Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 7

babylove35630, good for you if you are a christian but it still doesn't mean that you can try and convert people to your beliefs. It is ONLY your opinion about abortions and pregnancy and doesn't the bible say something about not judging others? It is your belief, religion and opinion so don't try and make people feel guilty about doing an abortion or falling pregnant before they are married. It is THEIR choice. I do respect that fact that you follow your religion so closely even if it doesn't sound like it. But i am curious on what your opinion on abortion is if it would actually save a baby from being born with debiliating defects and extreme pain before it dies anyway? It would save the mother from having the child, hold the child and then burying it. Or what if the abortion would save the mothers life? Is it ok then? To be clear for your beliefs put these women in your mind as married. Is it ok then?

MommyShan · Newbie Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 21

If you don't feel like you could handle being pregnant or just don't want to ever get pregnant that is your choice. It is important for women and men to know what they want in their life. What I would say to women like this is to get their tubes tied. This would save them from ever conceiving and then having an abortion. ( I personally would not ever have an abortion, but I do not feel like I can pass judgement on those that do. First, I am not them and not in their situation. Second, it is not up to us to pass judgement on our fellow man. That is up to God.)

I would say if it is just going through pregnancy that upsets you, then have someone else carry your baby. But you said that it would interfere with your whole life too much (not exactly your words, but the same meaning). I would say if anyone feels this way they are too self absorbed too be a parent. Being a parent does mean putting your children's needs, wants and feeling above yours. My sister once felt this way, but then got pregnant by accident (while on the pill). She is now the best Mother, no longer self absorbed, much more mature and an all around nicer person.
But not everyone would have this outcome.

I can't help but feel if you don't want children it would be better to insure that you will NEVER CONCEIVE. Better a Tubal then having an abortion or having a child raised by a parent who doesn't want them.

For those women that were victims of a crime I would not want to be in your shoes and would support any decision you would make. For those Mother's faced with bringing a child into this world that would only survive a few days to a week while in extreme pain .... I would support any decision you make. There are extreme cases such as these, that none of us would ever want to face. And many of us would not be able to handle.

Personally, I feel that a women who has an abortion once, with no reason other than they don't want it, should NEVER be allowed to have another abortion. There are some that use this as a form of birth control more than once. That to me is something that I can't support.

For those that have an abortion and indicate they don't ever want children .... they should be made to have a Tubal then and there. I know this is harsh and people will not like this, but there should be strong consequences for taking the life of a fetus or baby (in my opinion once the little one can survive out of the womb with or without help, it is an actual baby).

vqa1416 · Newbie Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 7

I was adopted, obviously I am thankful that my mother had not had an abortion because then I wouldn't be sitting here typing on the computer in my college dorm. However, I am very much pro choice and believe that every woman should have the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Considering my background, you would think that I would be pro life all the way... but I'm not. It's almost as unfair to deny a woman her right to give birth or not as it is to deny that unborn child of life.

Whether or not the argument that pregnancy is an invasion of a womans body has any substance, I cannot say. I don't think so... but opinions are useless.

I can understand dozens of completely legitimate reasons for a woman to want to abort a pregnancy... they all have their reasons...

People who are pro life seem to ignore the fact that an abortion is not easy. It isn't something that a woman can just decide on, (unless you're the original author of this thread) it's a tough decision that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

I know the situation that my birth mother was in when she put me up for adoption... supporting a child was out of the question. And this will seem slightly odd, and many of you i'm sure will think i'm psychotic, but if my birth mother did not have the option to put me up for adoption, I would rather have been aborted than grow up in the environment that I would have.

Abortion isn't for everyone, pregnancy isn't for everyone, adoption isn't for everyone. The bottom line is, if you are pregnant with a child you don't want, or can't support, you're going to have to make a difficult choice. No matter what that choice is... it won't be easy. It's not easy to give birth and support an unwanted child, it's not easy to abort, and it's not easy to put your kid up for adoption.

My last point is, leave religion out of all arguments. Religion whether you want to accept it or not, is opinion. Opinion has no place in a debate. It's your religious opinion that abortion is wrong... okay... well your opinion is as worthless as a shit fountain. There's nothing wrong with supporting what you believe... but just because you believe it... doesn't mean it's true. I might believe that there's a flying purple people eater in my mailbox... that doesn't make it true, and it also can't be proven false...

Every path that a woman can take with a pregnancy is wrong if that pregnancy is unwanted. She just needs to pick the least wrong.

MommyShan · Newbie Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 21

To vaq1416

I do believe what you say about leaving religion out of this debate. But on the behalf of others it is hard when that is a woven part of ones morals. It actually becomes part of a person that can't easily be excluded. For many it is a foundation for all reasoning. In that respect, we must all respect their thoughts and feeling as well.

I like to read all he post and take the good out of each one. (although I can't really find any good with the original post - she just seems too self-absorbed) I feel for the woman on the first post. She doesn't seem that mature and I can't help but feel when she eventually matures a little more she might see things differently. And if she does ever have an abortion she might find it hard to deal with as she gets older.

Personally, I can see how you would have preferred not to be born if you were not adopted. The prospect of being raised in that type of environment would be hard for anyone to cope with. However, my mother gave birth to me a few weeks before she turned 16. She then had my sister a little over a year later. After which she was divorced by the age of 18 and left with two kids, no high school education and no support of our father. I can say that this made her stronger. She was already a strong person who stuck to her convictions, but this forced her to do what was needed. I can't help but feel your Mother loved you enough to give you away and I am sure that if she kept you, she would have do whatever was neccessary to provided for you.

I am happy to say that my mother never gave up. When we were younger she usually had two jobs. She is proud of the fact that she never went on State Welfare and was able to raise two kids on her own. She got her GED, put herself through some college and worked her way up the corporate latter. She now runs the Ohio, Tallahasse and St. Petersburg division of her corporation. My sister and I were always happy and didn't really notice we didn't have much when we were younger. I think this is because of all the LOVE our Mother showed us. She was not perfect, but we knew that she loved us very much. As teenagers things were better, we didn't go without much. Our Mother was able to pay for our college, which I must add even many starting from a middle class income are not able to do for their children.

Because of this experience, it is my belief that humans can over come any obstical if they are willing. That is why I made the statements on abortion in my last post. I due feel they are very fair.

vqa1416 · Newbie Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 7

Point taken, but you need to also take into account that it is possible to leave ones morals at the door, and put yourself in someone elses shoes. I mean completely in their shoes. As in, try to adopt that persons morals and reasoning at the situation. This is the only real way to completely understand someones beliefs, and the decisions that they make.

Example: I can put myself in the shoes of the person who thinks that pregnancy is invasion, and I can understand it. I don't agree with it at all, but I can understand the position! You shouldn't base you arguments on why your beliefs are right, but rather why the other person is wrong. And do it with logic, not religion, beliefs, opinions, or anything else. Plain and simple commons sense will do just fine.

Wild Orchid · Newbie Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 90 Location: NH

Wild Orchid · Newbie Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 90 Location: NH

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