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Stop taking the meds and take some vitamins instead. Working out helps too. Jesus isn't going to help you. Read a book or something if you want some fiction in your life. An intelligent person doesn't need to depend on religion to do good things. If you do kill yourself you aren't going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity and if you don't there will be no heavenly place waiting for you on the other side, unless you consider having no cognition heavenly, I do.
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Wow I took adderal from 2nd-10th grade and felt #numb to life# as someone above put it. I described it as just that and I also felt as though I had to "recreate my identity." The thing I've realized is adderal takes away the natural high and replaces it. Say 1 is your low and 100 is your high in emotions. Adderal keeps you between 70 and 40 at all times. it keeps you stable and your body forgets how to cope with the bad, and also forgets how to feel the immense good/ natural high that comes out of life. Thats why they sometimes prescribe it as an anti-depressant. I went off of it in 10th grade and 11th went very badly. had a hard time coping with it and my grades dropped. It was all about teaching your brain to deal with things without it. Being on it longterm, your brain doesnt produce the natural chemicals it usually does. It basically changes the way your brain works so all the things that you learned on adderal, are based off of a brain on adderall. Its why some people say if you study on adderal, you have to take a test on adderal. I would reccomend at least 2 or 3 days a week dont take it so you can remember who you are, so you don't build a tolerance, and don't develop any OCD habits or psychological disorders.

BTW I went into 12th grade without adderall and got the best grade I had ever gotten in my life and I went to a college prep school. My last 2 semester I got a 3.5 and have been killing it in college. I honestly went back on Adderall a month ago for for sports use because Its hard to perform at soccer as well as I used to on adderal. plus i gained like 40 lbs off of adderall. A lot of it was muscle but a decent amt of fat as well.
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Please do not leave comments that are not helpful to people that are truly looking for constructive answers. You are using other peoples problems as a sounding board for your need to attack other religious belief systems that have nothing to do with Adderall. Please take your overwhelming negativity that helps no one to some other thread that you might actually relate to. This kind of response is very destructive and unnecessarily nasty.
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If you are a scientist then you must know the huge differences between the use of methamphetamine and Adderall. Meth causes loss of teeth sites all over the body due to severely compromising the body's immune system. Also significant and irreversible brain damage within the first few months of use. Taking anything long term will no doubt cause adverse effects. Several is much more psychologically addicting than physically addicting. It is important to weigh the risks of possible long term affects with the need for the drug and the quality of life it serves. Many Several users can and do go without it on days that no focus or daily demands need to be met. Always consult your doctor about your questions. And unfortunately, if there is little to be found about long term affects of any drug, then it hasn't been popular enough or in use long enough to show the negative effects yet, making our generation the guinea pigs. But do not make the mistake of confusing methamphetamine with Adderall. Meth is extremely dangerous, destructive, and physically addictive resulting in violent and severe withdrawal symptoms.
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Sorry...the spell check on my device is terrible. Adderall causes sores, not sites. And Several means Adderall.
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To "guest" that took Adderall from 2nd to 10th grade. Your post was very accurate and helpful to this thread. I could not have explained it better. It is unfortunate that so little research has been done on this extremely popular and potent drug. We are forced to rely on swapping our own experiences and hypothesis' to help each other. Your description of the brain's reliance on it and the permanent changes it undergoes sounds spot on. Again, as I posted earlier. Contact your doctor not only w/ your questions..but also report all of the side effects you experience as it may someday lead to further research on Adderall, and help those in the future. Also, you explained very well the concept of weighing the individual need for it/ the quality of life it fosters, with the probable adverse side effects of long term use. For some people, it is a risk they are willing to take if they desire to function normally with it if their condition is very severe. Thank you!
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Umm. I'm not the one who brought up religion. I was simply stating my point of view. I guess because I'm not religious I don't deserve help either. I wrote that when I was really depressed and angry. Don't try and reach out to me though. That was me admitting I'm suicidal and the only thing that helps is knowing when I die I won't burn I. Hell. I don't want anyone living with that thought because it doesn't help when your depressed to think that there is some God out there that will fix all of your problems. That's simply just not true. I'm in school for biochemistry and the chemical simalaritues between amphetamine and meth are strikingly similar. Adderall is clean and is completely processed through and absorbed by the body where as meth isn't and those sore are due to the toxins trying to escape the body. There are tremendous similarities in the way that the two effect the way your brain processes and digests the chemicals. They activate the same areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex. The problem is that taking this medication is only a psuedo/temporary bandage to the real problem. It is actually detrimental to the patient because it causes the to never develope any coping skills for the disease. I've been doing some research on links between autism and behavioral problems such as ADHD and I've found that there are a vast amount of similarities in the two. I think that ADHD is a mild form of high functioning autism and by taking this medication you are enabling yourself to lose what little ability you had to function an your on. You take this medicine for years and then you stop. Guess what happens? You are Now completely lost and unaware how to cope socially causing many of the same symptoms of aspergers. I suggest each and everyone of you look into aspergers and see if it correlates with the way that you are feeling. Ladies and gentlemen we are socially retarded and that is depressing. Toodiloo xx
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Sorry about all the typos, I'm on my phone.
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Geez! I am SO sorry... How do I edit or delete my own postings here? It is not Adderall that causes sores...it is Methaphetamine that causes sores.
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Every person's belief system is very personal and different. It is sometimes their belief in a higher power that keeps millions of people going and motivating them to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I am familiar with our constitutional right to free speech...I was merely asking you to keep your opinion to yourself if you are stating your subjective opinion as a "fact" that is impossible to prove. You are not stating proven facts, just a very negative and destructive opinion. How dare you try to take away even one shred of hope that is a primal need for the survival for most of the human race. If you do not want anyone to reach out to you then do not announce (on a public forum) that you want to kill yourself...in doing that you appear to be contradicting yourself. As far as feeling angry, sad, anxious, depressed and suicidal...welcome to the club! Your feelings matter, but do not give you the right to discourage others battling the same feelings of misery. I am, however, aware that we live in a FREE COUNTRY...but just because you find some individual justification through your angle on your personal beliefs/religion, to take your own life...does not give you the right to attempt to justify (which is almost encouraging) millions of others to commit suicide with a declaration of unfounded "facts" about the spiritual consequences of suicide. I relate to your feelings and theories...and am sorry for your all too common mental state. It is a state of existence you share with over half of the world's population as depression, anxiety and suicide have become an epidemic. I am a research anthropologist, studying patterns of human behavior in relation to their belief systems and individual environment. That still does not qualify me either to comment on ANYONE'S beliefs or religion as a FACT. There is actually more scientific and mathematical evidence in the world of physics that contradicts your 'non-belief' of the existence of a higher power; and all of it's common elements. There is also and a thousand tons of logical consistencies that easily disproves your hypothesis. Simply start reading up on the thousands of recorded experiences of life after death victims. It may just surprise you and actually give you a much needed shred of hope for yourself and the manner in which you attempt to manage your mental/emotional condition...It surely helped me. I am aware that certain things that have helped me and millions of others may not help you. So I would never assume to state anything that lacks solid scientific evidence as a fact to influence anyone. In any matter...IF you are not SINCERELY trying to really help someone in a positive way...especially in the vulnerable state we on this forum obviously are in...then please...keep your unfounded "facts" about God to yourself; as their belief in God is sometimes is the only thing that is keeping them alive and helping them to continue to make efforts to improve their lives. It is possible to do so. The darkness of all of our suicidal thoughts hopefully WILL eventually lift one day in the near future, but most probably will reoccur, sometimes very frequently, throughout our lifetime. That seems more to be your personal demon to manage and find ways to cope with; not the long term effects of Adderall. Adderall has never been even remotely linked to suicide. That would be severe depression and/or anxiety; which both exists in us with or without Adderall. It is our individual and very personal decision on how we decide to manage it. If you read any of my other posts you would see that I actually agree with your theories of long term Adderall use to brain functioning dependence. Anyone's personal use of Adderall is not our business. We are not living their lives where there may sometimes be a critical need to numb feelings continually...because even before they had Adderall, they certainly could not cope or function normally in any way and were in a dangerous state of hopelessness. In those cases, it may be critical to take Adderall long term. But again, it is not our business to assume we know their needs. Nor to judge them, instruct them, or discourage them in any way. As you said about the severe level of your unstable and very severe emotional state...most of us on here are right there with you; and certainly DO NOT NEED any negative or discouraging feedback. You have no idea how fragile a state anyone is in. None of us, including you, need any kind of push in the wrong direction; and this forum is especially not the place to knock down others beliefs in God with your personal and completely unfounded opinions stated to us as "facts". The purpose for these forums IS not only to reach out for answers, but implement positive support to our fellow 'miserables'. I certainly hope you find the answers you need to cope and keep yourself alive. Life is a very complex and difficult journey. You are ultimately in control of those decisions that positively or negatively affect your existence and quality of life, or no life at all. Keep fighting the good fight...the probability that you have people in your life that love and need you is statistically very strong. My long message here is simply a request to negate all negative responses that my may harm or discourage any one. Especially when it comes to something others are finding peace in, and is so subjective that no one has the right to condemn it or dismiss it as helpful; because in their minds, God, Heaven, Hell, etc...DOES exist. And this very personal belief brings them hope, which we are doomed without. I hope you get the hope you need to live your life with some shred of joy or contentment.
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Umm. I'm not the one who brought up religion. I was simply stating my point of view. I guess because I'm not religious I don't deserve help either. I wrote that when I was really depressed and angry. Don't try and reach out to me though. That was me admitting I'm suicidal and the only thing that helps is knowing when I die I won't burn I. Hell. I don't want anyone living with that thought because it doesn't help when your depressed to think that there is some God out there that will fix all of your problems. That's simply just not true. I'm in school for biochemistry and the chemical simalaritues between amphetamine and meth are strikingly similar. Adderall is clean and is completely processed through and absorbed by the body where as meth isn't and those sore are due to the toxins trying to escape the body. There are tremendous similarities in the way that the two effect the way your brain processes and digests the chemicals. They activate the same areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex. The problem is that taking this medication is only a psuedo/temporary bandage to the real problem. It is actually detrimental to the patient because it causes the to never develope any coping skills for the disease. I've been doing some research on links between autism and behavioral problems such as ADHD and I've found that there are a vast amount of similarities in the two. I think that ADHD is a mild form of high functioning autism and by taking this medication you are enabling yourself to lose what little ability you had to function an your on. You take this medicine for years and then you stop. Guess what happens? You are Now completely lost and unaware how to cope socially causing many of the same symptoms of aspergers. I suggest each and everyone of you look into aspergers and see if it correlates with the way that you are feeling. Ladies and gentlemen we are socially retarded and that is depressing. Toodiloo xx


Every person's belief system is very personal and different. It is sometimes their belief in a higher power that keeps millions of people going and motivating them to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I am familiar with our constitutional right to free speech...I was merely asking you to keep your opinion to yourself if you are stating your subjective opinion as a "fact" that is impossible to prove. You are not stating proven facts, just a very negative and destructive opinion. How dare you try to take away even one shred of hope that is a primal need for the survival for most of the human race. If you do not want anyone to reach out to you then do not announce (on a public forum) that you want to kill yourself...in doing that you appear to be contradicting yourself. As far as feeling angry, sad, anxious, depressed and suicidal...welcome to the club! Your feelings matter, but do not give you the right to discourage others battling the same feelings of misery. I am, however, aware that we live in a FREE COUNTRY...but just because you find some individual justification through your angle on your personal beliefs/religion, to take your own life...does not give you the right to attempt to justify (which is almost encouraging) millions of others to commit suicide with a declaration of unfounded "facts" about the spiritual consequences of suicide. I relate to your feelings and theories...and am sorry for your all too common mental state. It is a state of existence you share with over half of the world's population as depression, anxiety and suicide have become an epidemic. I am a research anthropologist, studying patterns of human behavior in relation to their belief systems and individual environment. That still does not qualify me either to comment on ANYONE'S beliefs or religion as a FACT. There is actually more scientific and mathematical evidence in the world of physics that contradicts your 'non-belief' of the existence of a higher power; and all of it's common elements. There is also and a thousand tons of logical consistencies that easily disproves your hypothesis. Simply start reading up on the thousands of recorded experiences of life after death victims. It may just surprise you and actually give you a much needed shred of hope for yourself and the manner in which you attempt to manage your mental/emotional condition...It surely helped me. I am aware that certain things that have helped me and millions of others may not help you. So I would never assume to state anything that lacks solid scientific evidence as a fact to influence anyone. In any matter...IF you are not SINCERELY trying to really help someone in a positive way...especially in the vulnerable state we on this forum obviously are in...then please...keep your unfounded "facts" about God to yourself; as their belief in God is sometimes is the only thing that is keeping them alive and helping them to continue to make efforts to improve their lives. It is possible to do so. The darkness of all of our suicidal thoughts hopefully WILL eventually lift one day in the near future, but most probably will reoccur, sometimes very frequently, throughout our lifetime. That seems more to be your personal demon to manage and find ways to cope with; not the long term effects of Adderall. Adderall has never been even remotely linked to suicide. That would be severe depression and/or anxiety; which both exists in us with or without Adderall. It is our individual and very personal decision on how we decide to manage it. If you read any of my other posts you would see that I actually agree with your theories of long term Adderall use to brain functioning dependence. Anyone's personal use of Adderall is not our business. We are not living their lives where there may sometimes be a critical need to numb feelings continually...because even before they had Adderall, they certainly could not cope or function normally in any way and were in a dangerous state of hopelessness. In those cases, it may be critical to take Adderall long term. But again, it is not our business to assume we know their needs. Nor to judge them, instruct them, or discourage them in any way. As you said about the severe level of your unstable and very severe emotional state...most of us on here are right there with you; and certainly DO NOT NEED any negative or discouraging feedback. You have no idea how fragile a state anyone is in. None of us, including you, need any kind of push in the wrong direction; and this forum is especially not the place to knock down others beliefs in God with your personal and completely unfounded opinions stated to us as "facts". The purpose for these forums IS not only to reach out for answers, but implement positive support to our fellow 'miserables'. I certainly hope you find the answers you need to cope and keep yourself alive. Life is a very complex and difficult journey. You are ultimately in control of those decisions that positively or negatively affect your existence and quality of life, or no life at all. Keep fighting the good fight...the probability that you have people in your life that love and need you is statistically very strong. My long message here is simply a request to negate all negative responses that my may harm or discourage any one. Especially when it comes to something others are finding peace in, and is so subjective that no one has the right to condemn it or dismiss it as helpful; because in their minds, God, Heaven, Hell, etc...DOES exist. And this very personal belief brings them hope, which we are doomed without. I hope you get the hope you need to live your life with some shred of joy or contentment.


Sadly, I think our society as a whole become hope-averse. You can see it just by looking at the direction of conversation - and vilifying responses- in this forum since a guest last week dared to mention God.

I think you're absolutely right. There are studies upon studies showing that people who hope in a higher power have a better chance of a full recovery than those who don't have faith in anything. But studies aside, when did we become so vicious in our attacks against people who don't share our views? (...Chik-fil-A)
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Umm. I'm not the one who brought up religion. I was simply stating my point of view. I guess because I'm not religious I don't deserve help either. I wrote that when I was really depressed and angry. Don't try and reach out to me though. That was me admitting I'm suicidal and the only thing that helps is knowing when I die I won't burn I. Hell. I don't want anyone living with that thought because it doesn't help when your depressed to think that there is some God out there that will fix all of your problems. That's simply just not true. I'm in school for biochemistry and the chemical simalaritues between amphetamine and meth are strikingly similar. Adderall is clean and is completely processed through and absorbed by the body where as meth isn't and those sore are due to the toxins trying to escape the body. There are tremendous similarities in the way that the two effect the way your brain processes and digests the chemicals. They activate the same areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex. The problem is that taking this medication is only a psuedo/temporary bandage to the real problem. It is actually detrimental to the patient because it causes the to never develope any coping skills for the disease. I've been doing some research on links between autism and behavioral problems such as ADHD and I've found that there are a vast amount of similarities in the two. I think that ADHD is a mild form of high functioning autism and by taking this medication you are enabling yourself to lose what little ability you had to function an your on. You take this medicine for years and then you stop. Guess what happens? You are Now completely lost and unaware how to cope socially causing many of the same symptoms of aspergers. I suggest each and everyone of you look into aspergers and see if it correlates with the way that you are feeling. Ladies and gentlemen we are socially retarded and that is depressing. Toodiloo xx


Every person's belief system is very personal and different. It is sometimes their belief in a higher power that keeps millions of people going and motivating them to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I am familiar with our constitutional right to free speech...I was merely asking you to keep your opinion to yourself if you are stating your subjective opinion as a "fact" that is impossible to prove. You are not stating proven facts, just a very negative and destructive opinion. How dare you try to take away even one shred of hope that is a primal need for the survival for most of the human race. If you do not want anyone to reach out to you then do not announce (on a public forum) that you want to kill yourself...in doing that you appear to be contradicting yourself. As far as feeling angry, sad, anxious, depressed and suicidal...welcome to the club! Your feelings matter, but do not give you the right to discourage others battling the same feelings of misery. I am, however, aware that we live in a FREE COUNTRY...but just because you find some individual justification through your angle on your personal beliefs/religion, to take your own life...does not give you the right to attempt to justify (which is almost encouraging) millions of others to commit suicide with a declaration of unfounded "facts" about the spiritual consequences of suicide. I relate to your feelings and theories...and am sorry for your all too common mental state. It is a state of existence you share with over half of the world's population as depression, anxiety and suicide have become an epidemic. I am a research anthropologist, studying patterns of human behavior in relation to their belief systems and individual environment. That still does not qualify me either to comment on ANYONE'S beliefs or religion as a FACT. There is actually more scientific and mathematical evidence in the world of physics that contradicts your 'non-belief' of the existence of a higher power; and all of it's common elements. There is also and a thousand tons of logical consistencies that easily disproves your hypothesis. Simply start reading up on the thousands of recorded experiences of life after death victims. It may just surprise you and actually give you a much needed shred of hope for yourself and the manner in which you attempt to manage your mental/emotional condition...It surely helped me. I am aware that certain things that have helped me and millions of others may not help you. So I would never assume to state anything that lacks solid scientific evidence as a fact to influence anyone. In any matter...IF you are not SINCERELY trying to really help someone in a positive way...especially in the vulnerable state we on this forum obviously are in...then please...keep your unfounded "facts" about God to yourself; as their belief in God is sometimes is the only thing that is keeping them alive and helping them to continue to make efforts to improve their lives. It is possible to do so. The darkness of all of our suicidal thoughts hopefully WILL eventually lift one day in the near future, but most probably will reoccur, sometimes very frequently, throughout our lifetime. That seems more to be your personal demon to manage and find ways to cope with; not the long term effects of Adderall. Adderall has never been even remotely linked to suicide. That would be severe depression and/or anxiety; which both exists in us with or without Adderall. It is our individual and very personal decision on how we decide to manage it. If you read any of my other posts you would see that I actually agree with your theories of long term Adderall use to brain functioning dependence. Anyone's personal use of Adderall is not our business. We are not living their lives where there may sometimes be a critical need to numb feelings continually...because even before they had Adderall, they certainly could not cope or function normally in any way and were in a dangerous state of hopelessness. In those cases, it may be critical to take Adderall long term. But again, it is not our business to assume we know their needs. Nor to judge them, instruct them, or discourage them in any way. As you said about the severe level of your unstable and very severe emotional state...most of us on here are right there with you; and certainly DO NOT NEED any negative or discouraging feedback. You have no idea how fragile a state anyone is in. None of us, including you, need any kind of push in the wrong direction; and this forum is especially not the place to knock down others beliefs in God with your personal and completely unfounded opinions stated to us as "facts". The purpose for these forums IS not only to reach out for answers, but implement positive support to our fellow 'miserables'. I certainly hope you find the answers you need to cope and keep yourself alive. Life is a very complex and difficult journey. You are ultimately in control of those decisions that positively or negatively affect your existence and quality of life, or no life at all. Keep fighting the good fight...the probability that you have people in your life that love and need you is statistically very strong. My long message here is simply a request to negate all negative responses that my may harm or discourage any one. Especially when it comes to something others are finding peace in, and is so subjective that no one has the right to condemn it or dismiss it as helpful; because in their minds, God, Heaven, Hell, etc...DOES exist. And this very personal belief brings them hope, which we are doomed without. I hope you get the hope you need to live your life with some shred of joy or contentment.


Sadly, I think our society as a whole become hope-averse. You can see it just by looking at the direction of conversation - and vilifying responses- in this forum since a guest last week dared to mention God.

I think you're absolutely right. There are studies upon studies showing that people who hope in a higher power have a better chance of a full recovery than those who don't have faith in anything. But studies aside, when did we become so vicious in our attacks against people who don't share our views? (...Chik-fil-A)


Nastiness in response to subjects not understood or agreed upon is a natural reaction causing complete Intolerance and often, violence. But this is because lacking the understanding of your opponents beliefs and/or why they believe the things they do. Chick fil-A is a good example. I for one do not personally agree with the views of the CEO of Chick fil-A, however I completely understand why the people did what they did to demostrate their personal values to the world. I understand WHY they believe what they do. This breeds increased tolerance for their actions. Unfortunately for most, these demonstrations and any demonstrations that are similar to this example only drives their opponents further away from adopting or attempting to understand their views. This results in even more nasty intolerance. Ignorance is the enemy of our human race and the catalyst for centuries of war, billions of deaths, and the division of otherwise strengthened states of unity. We continue to be our own worst enemy. This flaw in our human nature continues to encourage conflict that causes gridlock in in finding effective solutions for the good of a nation or the best interest of our world's population.
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Nick, You are experiencing extreme depression at at such a severe level that Adderall is perhaps not the only culprit. You have hit rock bottom my friend, The motivation to make a change in your life is now. You are in charge of making the decisions that will ultimately take you to a better place in life. I do not want to nudge you towards a script writing psychiatrist...what you should start out with is finding a good therapist. You must talk about your feelings and work through them with someone. Finding this person in our sometimes small pool of friends and family is difficult. If you don't have the funds or insurance that covers mental health then go to your counties mental health department and do what you need to do there to receive weekly therapy or counseling. If that does not happen right away...read this easy book on initiating positive change in your life. It is so life changing and a motivational/fun/interesting read. It is called: "This Year I Will... How To Finally Change A Habit, Keep A Resolution, Or Make A Dream Come True" Written by M. J. Ryan. You can get it used on Amazon for under 10 bucks or request it at your nearest library. I promise that if you read it, you will be able to understand and cope much better with your miserable state. I know depression gets so bad you cannot see past the next 5 minutes making suicide a swift soluution. Believe me, I have been there and still go there from time to time and it I'd something that can be and must be managed daily, one moment at a time, one hour at a time, one day at a time. You can have a better life than the one you are enduring. I promise you that.... But only you are the one that can take that "bull by the horns", and make it work for you. You are worth it, and you can do it. Hang in there, and reach me any day on this forum.
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13 year prescription user. I have unexplained heart palpitations, but that's just the thing, my doc won't, and for that matter, can't prove that adderall is the cause. I also noticed when I tried to start exercising in high school that I couldn't run so much as a few minutes without experiencing an intense burning in my chest. I thought I needed breathing meds so I saw my doctor. I found out that it was not my lungs at all, it was my heart; I'm pretty sure there's a scientific term, but in short, my chest burns because my heart is under too much stress. I also have a much harder time concentrating when I'm off of the meds than when I was younger. When I was young I could stop taking them for the summer and was fine. Now, when I first tried to quit, I'd practically have a mental breakdown just trying to complete one task. I mentioned this to my doctor as well and all he had to say was it might possibly be the habit forming aspect of stimulant drugs. My body isn't right without it.

Well, anyway, that's just me. Others might never experience these symptoms. I got off the pill for good because I truly believe it was harming me. It's ten times harder for me to function, but I do. I get sh*t done, I remember, I have control over my daydreaming, I eat nice and healthy to keep my brain and heart and nervous system in check, I'm doing great and I would recommend kicking adderall to anyone and everyone.
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Im 16 years old and I had been taking Amphetamine since I was about 8.
Just recently I stopped taking it abruptly and I feel the severe withdraw effects that it brings. I now go to school everyday with a terrible withdraw, but I really want to get off of this medication and thats what I tell myself if I start to feel unmotivated and lazy, or just down right sick. If I can stop taking it, so can you. Just push through it.
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