finally down to a quarter of a mg. each day gets better and better..seem to feel like c**p after drinking coffee and taking my little square of sub but then i get to work, which is very physcial and i feel so much better, sleep so much better etc..i force myself to eat, doing better with that. yesterday i was hungry like every 2 hours it was crazy. when i go to taper i abstain for 3-5 days, then take the milligram i wish to be at. the wd's from 1mg, down to 1/2 mg and then again from a 1/2mg down to a 1/4 of a mg were a bit ruff. But each day had a window of relief and that was enough to help me push another 24 hrs..I was on methadone for 3 yrs with a year and a half break of clean between the first year and half and the second. then i went 9months and had way to many important people in my life die..i knew me well enough to know id use if I didnt get help..then there was suboxone..3yrs later im down to a quarter of a milligram and plan to jump but i just dont know when(it will be soon i hope). i usually wait until im symptom free for 2 weeks but i've just read for the first time thru these posts that maybe i shouldnt rush it?. im not looking to draw out my misery..and i promised id listen to my body not my head..last night i was close to 3/4 of a day free of wd symptoms.
id so appreciate anyones advice whose been there done that. i do not crave my doc which was an addiction to roxy's (pain pills) some 9 yrs ago and i wont be one of those who uses pain pills to help ease wd's. id be scared to death to go that route..other things i can do..pot (sorry if that offends but its helped me eat, relax), my job is physical and on an average night i walk anywhere from 14 to 26 miles a night..im a stock boss so lifting heavy boxes/cases is also a huge part of my job..i do have trazadone to help me sleep at night..thats been a godsend..and i had some xanax that id been saving when i took the jump but that husbands of mine thinks i have hoarding issues so hes known to go into my stuff and toss it..which is what he did to the xanax i was saving..(grrrrr) lol
coffee makes me feel like c**p but im not sure why..water makes me feel great, especially that vitamin water..yum yum
ice cream seems to be the only thing that tastes right..everything else feels off. i wake feeling generally happy. i grab a coffee, then just wake up..i work night turn. after being awake and hour or two i take my tiny square of sub..how long does it take for sub to get out of your system, half life and all?
I also walk my dogs and go brush or ride my horse even when i can barely put my boots on..i always feel tons better when i do..something about that fresh air and spending time with my horse Bubba makes it so worth it..
carolyne
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Hi maciemae! I saw your post was unanswered, as mine is too. Although I just posted mine. Anyway, I am in the EXACT same boat as you. (If you want my full story read my post "SUBOXONE WDs...Please Help"I am so afraid of the Sub wds that every time I tried quitting I ended up going right back on them. I would always get down to 2mgs per day but anything lower than that caused serious wds after about 2-3 days. I am still only taking a qtr/(2mg) a day and I only have four 2mg strips left and that is ALL I want to have. I want off of this drug so bad. I think I'm even more scared now after reading some of the Sub Withdrawal posts on here. I was addicted to opiate pain pills for at least 4 years hard...actually started using them after a motorcycle accident where I shattered the bones my left arm and had to have it reconstructed about 6 years ago but didnt really abuse them untill a few years later.
I too force myself to eat and do things outdoors. My husband and I still ride motorcycles, dirt bikes and quads and we also have four dogs. We live on a 40 acre farm so there are always things to do outside. However no matter how hard I work or play I do not sleep but I have been that way all of my life. I am a complete insomniac. So the not sleeping doesn't frighten me as much as everything else like the nausea, vomiting, restless muscles, depression, etc... The depression is my biggest fear because I was diagnosed with depression & anxiety disorder in 2000 & put on Celexa which I still take.. The wds will only amplify the depression.
Something you said that I thought I was the only one in the world with this issue is the ice cream. LOL! The only two things that taste right to me is my ice cream (mint chip is my Fav) and my Dannon Vanilla Yogurt. During this jump we need to eat lots of protein and nutrient enriched foods. I am actually going to do Dr. Oz' 3 Day Cleanse to get rid of all the toxins. I can share the recipes with you if you like. Oh and stay away from caffeine. It will make you more anxious and could make the restless muscles worse while going through wds. Drink lots of water...vitamin water even better. We need to take B12...it is said to help.
I am really glad I saw your post because now I feel like, if you want to, we can kind of help support each other through this since we are pretty much at the same point. I will keep you posted on my days and anything I find that helps me I can let you know if you'd like to do the same for me. It's always nice to know your not alone. We have our hubbies, family or friends but unless they have actually been through it they have NO IDEA what we have gone through and are about to go through. I talked to my husband today about me stopping the sub and he was like ok well stop. He thinks it is just that easy...stop taking it, might be sick a few days and then back to normal! Well as much as I wish that was the case it is not. Everyone is different but mostly every post or person I have talked to has said that Sub WDs are worse than ANY opiate, even heroin and it lasts forever. Damn it that scares me.
Ok well I look forward to hearing from you and I wish you lots of luck. Take care!
Jessica - decemberstar
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What helped me get below the 2mg mark was abstaining. I know it sounds horrific but honestly I tried 3 times getting below 2mgs & failed. I believe the reasons why were
1. I wasn't ready or prepared for Weaning & tapering because I "Chose" to rather than because I "Had" to really mattered mentally when it got down to the fight.
2. I tapered to quick not realizing how much & how powerful 2 mgs if sub really still was!!
3.had no support
I only have 3 acres & now know how much work it takes to take care of land having 40 acres must keep you so busy. When I got the flu for the very 1st time in my 40 yrs of life & was bed ridden for nearly 5 days I did not realize I totally forgot to take my sub. At that time I was taking 4mgs in morning & 4mgs at night & I could of stayed on that dose forever I was so comfortable. So on day 4 (I remember like it was yesterday)I woke up in a full blown sweat & agonizing misery & sat up off couch thinking why did I feel like I was dying. Then it hit me that during the past 4 days of non stop sleeping & being flu sick I had forgotten to take my sub & was in full blown acute withdrawal. I never miss work but realized I'd never have a chance like this again & took advantage of the situation & pushed abstaining another 24 hrs. Day 5, 10am I took just 2mgs in a 24 hr period. I was back to work the next day, still recovering from the flu the victory of making it from 8mgs down to just 2 mgs was a personal victory! It took 20 plus days for my body & brain to adjust & feel comfortable. I scoured the Internet for advice & chose to ignore the negative & horror stories. I did find body relief from a video I found on YouTube from this crazy Amish guy who suggested that if I took over the counter Imodium,Robitussin long acting cough (Pills not cough syrup),tagament & grapefruit juice that it would alleviate the body withdrawal & it worked & worked so well that one minute I was so fatigued I wanted to call off work & after taking just the Imodium & Robitussin pills my body withdrawal not only dissapeared within 40 min but I took felt well enough to take a shower, do my make up & was 15 min early to work. Imodium & the Robitussin pills have opiates in them so though its not enough opiate to cross the brain barrier & make u high IT IS enuf opiate for your body to recognize & when your in withdrawal be it mild to acute, one knows when u feel relief & I sure did. That relief lasted me from 3pm until darn near 8 pm when I took my 1st smoke break at work. It was amazing how just that little break was enuf for me to catch my second wind & fight fight fight!!!
When I took my break I began feeling just like I did on the couch b4 I took the meds so I took another round of Imodium & Robitussin & sailed thru the rest of my shift.
The Amish guy said after you take the Imodium & Robitussin (I bought generic immodium & robitussin long acting cough pills which only cost a couple bucks) he said you take the tagament because it takes the opiates from the Imodium & Robitussin & blows them up making more & grapefruit does the same thing. But I got enuf relief with just the 2 & still haven't taken the tagament or forced myself to drink the 100% grapefruit juice (yuck). I keep these meds in my purse just incase but only needed to take them for 2days because my body had adjusted to just the 2mgs. I wish I would of found that Amish guys videos sooner but never found them until my 3rd week of just 2mgs of sub.
I dropped from 2mgs down to 1 mg & only had 5-7 days of being uncomfortable, I did not have to take the Amish guys concoction at all. Then I weaned down to a half a mg then a quarter mg only after I had 1-2 weeks of being symptom free( withdrawal free).
This Amish guys concoction could be fatal to someone taking methadone so if anyone's on methadone DO NOT TAKE any of the meds I listed especially grapefruit juice because since tagament & grapefruit juice blow up the opiates making them more you could overdose. I only recommend this concoction if your in withdrawal from pain pills or suboxone.
Everyone should do their own research cuz I don't want anyone to get hurt. The comments from this guys blog is what convinced me to try it. One guy having a full time job, 3 kids, & a wife ready to leave him during such a critical time as he was tapering & in full blown WD & reading how after taking these meds not only never missed a day of work but had the energy to play & help with his 3 little ones plus have sex with his wife sealed the deal for me.
Anyhow I'm sorry I just wrote you a book decemberstar but just wanted to say I'm back up to 3/4's of a mg & ready to taper again down to a 1/4 again. I made the mistake when I felt good I cheated & took a little more sub because the hubby & I have been setting fence posts every weekend. Bringing my horse Bubba home & I'm so excited!! Gonna get some chickens too. You have chickens?
I have worked night shift for many yrs & my hubby said he missed me & so I found a daylight mon-fri ( no more working nights or weekends) job!!! Yeah!!!! I work both jobs right now & will for the next 2weeks. I'm giving my boss 2 weeks to work out schedule & then will work my new daylight job mon-fri & only work tue nights for the grocery store since its the night we get 2 tractor trailers of stock & I figured since the hubby now plays poker every tue night here at home ( something he's always wanted to do) i might as well work & let hubby enjoy his man night with all the guys here. He works so hard for us & our puppies I'm just glad he has something to look fw too.
Hope I didn't scare you away. Let me know if you'd like my email. Sometimes you want to say stuff privately.
I hope & pray you are still fighting getting off sub. I worked out a deal with a friend who always borrows 2 subs from me each month 4 days b4 he has his suboxone dr appt where if he borrows 1 he pays back 2 or if he borrows 2 he pays me back 4. That's kept me always having 6 subs. I only need 2-3 subs a month which helps mentally knowing I can choose to taper rather than have to taper!!
Hugs & thanks 4 saying hi & for offering your support!!
Carolyne(Macie Mae is my female Pit Bull rescue) she rescued me really!!
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