My wife has been a chronic pain patient for 20 years now - ever since a neurosurgeon botched what should have been a routine cervical fusion.
I can't add much to what's already been said here, except to acknowledge my empathy for every one of you who suffers from chronic pain (and those who care for you). I'll also add to the "Methadone is the WORST drug - Ever" chorus. A pain doc switched my wife from percocet to methadone from 2000-2004 because it was "cheap and easy to manufacture." She immediately ballooned from 115 lbs to 170 lbs within a few months. And for the first time since 1989, when she took her pain medication, it was obvious to everyone that she was taking some kind of powerful drug - slurred speech, falling asleep mid-sentence, etc. The scariest part was that she'd forget she took a dose, and take another - she OD'ed twice accidentally and I had to cal 911. Please - everyone - do not let a doctor talk you into taking methadone. One more thing - if you ever decide you want off the drugs, very few rehab centers will take methadone addicts. Firstly, because it's THE hardest drug to detox from. Secondly, because most of them give you methadone for awhile to detox you off your drug - so how do they get you off methadone by giving you methadone?
My wife has been off narcotics for awhile now (she lost the weight as soon as she went off the methadone), but her pain is getting worse (spine problems always get worse due to a domino effect), so her PCP put her on oxycontin. Unfortunately, her insurance won't pay for it - they want her to take MS contin instead. That's what brought me to this forum. She's afraid to take MS contin because of the stigma attached to morphine. Plus - codeine works much better for her than morphine, for some reason. Ironically (but typically), MS contin costs twice as much as oxycontin. So go figure what the idiots at Humana are thinking.
Anyway, good luck to all of you.
I can't add much to what's already been said here, except to acknowledge my empathy for every one of you who suffers from chronic pain (and those who care for you). I'll also add to the "Methadone is the WORST drug - Ever" chorus. A pain doc switched my wife from percocet to methadone from 2000-2004 because it was "cheap and easy to manufacture." She immediately ballooned from 115 lbs to 170 lbs within a few months. And for the first time since 1989, when she took her pain medication, it was obvious to everyone that she was taking some kind of powerful drug - slurred speech, falling asleep mid-sentence, etc. The scariest part was that she'd forget she took a dose, and take another - she OD'ed twice accidentally and I had to cal 911. Please - everyone - do not let a doctor talk you into taking methadone. One more thing - if you ever decide you want off the drugs, very few rehab centers will take methadone addicts. Firstly, because it's THE hardest drug to detox from. Secondly, because most of them give you methadone for awhile to detox you off your drug - so how do they get you off methadone by giving you methadone?
My wife has been off narcotics for awhile now (she lost the weight as soon as she went off the methadone), but her pain is getting worse (spine problems always get worse due to a domino effect), so her PCP put her on oxycontin. Unfortunately, her insurance won't pay for it - they want her to take MS contin instead. That's what brought me to this forum. She's afraid to take MS contin because of the stigma attached to morphine. Plus - codeine works much better for her than morphine, for some reason. Ironically (but typically), MS contin costs twice as much as oxycontin. So go figure what the idiots at Humana are thinking.
Anyway, good luck to all of you.
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Hi,
Are you possibly using the word Euphoria in error for something else? I find it hard to believe that you have a doctor who is only interested in making you high?? (Euphoric,) I would have thought that he or she would have been more concerned with the analgesic abilities of certain drugs, for you. I'm sure that this is just an error, unless you mean that you have a Doctor Feelgood??
Are you possibly using the word Euphoria in error for something else? I find it hard to believe that you have a doctor who is only interested in making you high?? (Euphoric,) I would have thought that he or she would have been more concerned with the analgesic abilities of certain drugs, for you. I'm sure that this is just an error, unless you mean that you have a Doctor Feelgood??
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Well let's just start by saying that 60 60mg oxycontin cost 664$ at the pharmasy and those of us who belong to the HEALTH SPRING PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN no that they will not cover that drug, so they tell us we have to use a cheaper less affective drug like ms contin, avina , fentenall, methadone all of which I'm sure are great at releaving pain for some people. Its a shame when you have to try all these drugs for 30 days before HEALTH SPRING will even consider to cover oxycontin.
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hi all,
I have a question and hopefully someone will be able to help a bit, Will her it goes,, On Dec 9 I am going to Japan. I am on 82mg of Methadone and have been for about 1 year and 1/2. I have been in contact with Japan and was told that methadone cannot be brought into the country. so my dr is switching me from the meth to 40 mg oxycintin and 5 mg perocert for break through pain. I don't think, the dr. realized that I am on meth and didn't say or tell me if that is enough to keep me from the pain in my feet and on the meth and want dose of oyxis will keep me from pain and keep me from being sick. does anyone out there know anything about what I am asking and is there anyone that can give be any infomation. thanks,
I have a question and hopefully someone will be able to help a bit, Will her it goes,, On Dec 9 I am going to Japan. I am on 82mg of Methadone and have been for about 1 year and 1/2. I have been in contact with Japan and was told that methadone cannot be brought into the country. so my dr is switching me from the meth to 40 mg oxycintin and 5 mg perocert for break through pain. I don't think, the dr. realized that I am on meth and didn't say or tell me if that is enough to keep me from the pain in my feet and on the meth and want dose of oyxis will keep me from pain and keep me from being sick. does anyone out there know anything about what I am asking and is there anyone that can give be any infomation. thanks,
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:'( hi everyone hope yu al feeling better, i know what you mean. i see alot of verteran in here did i get in the wrong group is this just for va people??? or is it just happen to be combinations???
i so sorry for everyone pain.... there one perosn i want to say that made a remarkl if we got jobs and not be addictas or somthing like that... i doint see that in here. hell. pls excuse me... none seem to understand what we gop thru in our life and what pain we are our family member goes thru..... i had back apin since 1990s and it been geting worst by the yr... i have spinla stenosis and and ddd and some nerve damage and ect.
like said i know how some of you all feel. none in the family undestand they think i just lazy or faking it.. i have major depresion or bipolar not got an actual only from gp. but anyway inbetween times, insurance chages on both my job and ohio medicaid. i have kids and low income. mot working right now.
anyway my one dr that i use to see yrs ago wasnt on the list for a while so i try to go back to and old dr he wasnt accept new pat even tho i was an old patience they claim your new when you havent seen them in yrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
so they gave me the new doc. well she found my insulin resistace sota diebetic, and my sleep disorder, and my heaptitis., well insurance change again. and when ohio mediaicd went to hmo tyspe of thing it screwed up things, so she wasnt on the list the one found diebetic and so on. well the other dr did he was on the list fst. it took my lady dr over a yrs before she was approve to there list.
well anyway he was on the list the old dr i had. so i started seeing him, he took the time with me more with my back and when i broke 8 ribs. and he thinks i had copd or ashma so he help alot exspecail on my job and trying to help for disabity,
but getting to the point. when i went to see him, i told the medicin i took diebteic pills stomach pills and cant rember all but anyway thought she had my clospam down for my stomach anxiety, some how they didnt have it doiwn. but there was alot of med he was doing a trial on me he never had that down, i never said anything b/c i figure if the dr want it down he put it down.
well anyway the nurse NEVER ask me who gave me my metformin and stuff diebtic & so on who was given them to me, so i didnt say anything. they didnt ask.....
well 3 yrs ago i sign a contract and did the test i wqas fine, and then last yr i breaking ribs,then the ER ROOM GAVE ME MEDS LIKE percocets and vicodin and so on. so i even refused some of it b/c i knew it didnt work. so they usually gAVE a shot and that help temp. i always been honest with him and every time one dr in the urgent care gave me diluad, great med for back pain and if you get bruised from your ribs with my bipolar child that hit me she gave me med i was in bad pain.
well i showed him the bottle and i said it help in my pain can we try that and he said no..... so i was honest and showed him just like i told him what they gave me ER. HE SAID WE AUTO GET THE INOF so i just quit telling him, i had surgfery gallbladder and the dr gave me ultram and it didnt work and then perocets and it help. well i didnt think since i had surgey i had to tell him.
well 3 yrs ago i sign a contract for morphine ms con. and never quest me till one day, i was so tired my niece had a baby and i was with her for 2 days no sleep and then trying to take pain meds and, so when i went to see him and told why i was so sleepy, from her havng the baby. and things when i went home, i had my appt and he told me to go home sleep. well i was half sleep and he had me sign the new contract and
there was no test, so either he took my old blood work and tested it, or went thru the pharmacy,,,,
anyway i get a call from the nurse and she was rude why are you seeing the lady dr, i said she the one that does my diebetic and she said why are you on clospam, i said for my stomach and help anxiety. then she said why did you see dr ( was gallbladder dr) and i said he the one that took my gall bladder out. and cant rember she said well the dr will see ya but not for pain mg. so i said i be in and find out what going on...
well went in, i wish i thought of it i would of took in the scripts the ER gave me that i never filled so i can show i didnt fill all of them... i might filled one. b/c i was in aweful pain for broekn ribs. well anyway he mention about the other dr but he didnt give me a chance to explain the whole thing from insurance and things, i just was able to get out hey .....
you were sure if you were going to be here you were fighting to stay and he was in a big mes with his contract his self... and anywa i said she does my diebeticand stuff and that all, but he got mad and said well maybe you should stay with her and let her care... well for one she dont do chronic pain b/c if she did that might been a differnt story. he woulsnt let me sat anythig else and walk out... he never said i was dismissed and another lady came in and said you need to go.... the reg nurse didnt come in.
so this hurt i knew this dr over 15 yrs compare this lady dr only4-5 yrs.
what are you suppose to do when your insurance chages and i never got pain meds b/c i tried long time agoi and she said i dont do anything but vicodin that dont do me nothiong. so now i trying to find a dr that will take me and let me explin my situation.... but a dr you had relation with for 15 yrs to do this to you, i just dont know.......i dont know if he got up set b/c i had 2 dr but for differnt things.
if he left which was like 2 months ago if he and his lawyer sisnt get something taken i wouldnt have a dr at all, so i need a dr, i know she wouldnt do pain, but she had half of my medicatal that was important.
i hate loosiong him he would give me aanything i need i doint mean meds, like dr note and helping with disabity and thing like that. i could get in and no wait time.
but the thing i feel is he should of ask who gav me those meds i told them i was taken and never ask... yes maybe i should said do you want to take these meds over do i go to the other dr for that.... i didnt think, i think i should of had a chance....
i limited on pain meds. i thought of writting him a letter and explaining the situation, and asking if he can still take me if i stop seeing the other dr and if he can take the meds she give me...... b/c if i find a dr i know he going to write up, that i lied to him, i never did.... he never ask it was right in front when they ask me if i still take the meds.
so what would you all do???? it hard toi find dr that take over, i dont know if i should just ask if he takes care of back pain and then get in and talk to dr about it.... if i write a letter then i want attached to my folde3r so when the dr ask for file then it will have my point of what happen.
i even talk to my pharmacy they said it been a long time since you took any pain meds except what the dr precibe the morphine. ans he said have them call and well tell him. but the thing is i dont know wherew he got it from.... he said there was a state thing he got from the state....
but the pharmacy showed me what it look lik and he said there nothing wrong with yours.... so i dont know what going on....
the sad part is i take belladonna for my stomach issue and it has phenobarb and he said this came up, i said well i have it written in the chart what i take and you know about it..... i said it in my belladonna, then he got more mad. just like said walk out.... he should of know the meds i told them and he should know what in it..... so i dont know if he had a bad day or what.... if i was dr seeker then why would i keep my ER scripts, i would of got them and filled them already and used them.... i so glad i keep them, so this way if i find another dr, i can show him, i never filled them. do you think that will help????
i trying to work with a case manager ohio medicaid and i didnt tell her the whole thing b/c somone said they dont need to know unless quesrtion ask. so he leaving anyway in a yr and i just ask for help finidng and she called the my dr they told her i was dismissed... i heard by law they not aloud to do this by hippa law...... so i dont know what i can do about that that was between me and my dr......
i hate ohio...... but any sugg apprecaite. i hope everyone is getting better and find the right meds... have a great weekend....
i so sorry for everyone pain.... there one perosn i want to say that made a remarkl if we got jobs and not be addictas or somthing like that... i doint see that in here. hell. pls excuse me... none seem to understand what we gop thru in our life and what pain we are our family member goes thru..... i had back apin since 1990s and it been geting worst by the yr... i have spinla stenosis and and ddd and some nerve damage and ect.
like said i know how some of you all feel. none in the family undestand they think i just lazy or faking it.. i have major depresion or bipolar not got an actual only from gp. but anyway inbetween times, insurance chages on both my job and ohio medicaid. i have kids and low income. mot working right now.
anyway my one dr that i use to see yrs ago wasnt on the list for a while so i try to go back to and old dr he wasnt accept new pat even tho i was an old patience they claim your new when you havent seen them in yrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
so they gave me the new doc. well she found my insulin resistace sota diebetic, and my sleep disorder, and my heaptitis., well insurance change again. and when ohio mediaicd went to hmo tyspe of thing it screwed up things, so she wasnt on the list the one found diebetic and so on. well the other dr did he was on the list fst. it took my lady dr over a yrs before she was approve to there list.
well anyway he was on the list the old dr i had. so i started seeing him, he took the time with me more with my back and when i broke 8 ribs. and he thinks i had copd or ashma so he help alot exspecail on my job and trying to help for disabity,
but getting to the point. when i went to see him, i told the medicin i took diebteic pills stomach pills and cant rember all but anyway thought she had my clospam down for my stomach anxiety, some how they didnt have it doiwn. but there was alot of med he was doing a trial on me he never had that down, i never said anything b/c i figure if the dr want it down he put it down.
well anyway the nurse NEVER ask me who gave me my metformin and stuff diebtic & so on who was given them to me, so i didnt say anything. they didnt ask.....
well 3 yrs ago i sign a contract and did the test i wqas fine, and then last yr i breaking ribs,then the ER ROOM GAVE ME MEDS LIKE percocets and vicodin and so on. so i even refused some of it b/c i knew it didnt work. so they usually gAVE a shot and that help temp. i always been honest with him and every time one dr in the urgent care gave me diluad, great med for back pain and if you get bruised from your ribs with my bipolar child that hit me she gave me med i was in bad pain.
well i showed him the bottle and i said it help in my pain can we try that and he said no..... so i was honest and showed him just like i told him what they gave me ER. HE SAID WE AUTO GET THE INOF so i just quit telling him, i had surgfery gallbladder and the dr gave me ultram and it didnt work and then perocets and it help. well i didnt think since i had surgey i had to tell him.
well 3 yrs ago i sign a contract for morphine ms con. and never quest me till one day, i was so tired my niece had a baby and i was with her for 2 days no sleep and then trying to take pain meds and, so when i went to see him and told why i was so sleepy, from her havng the baby. and things when i went home, i had my appt and he told me to go home sleep. well i was half sleep and he had me sign the new contract and
there was no test, so either he took my old blood work and tested it, or went thru the pharmacy,,,,
anyway i get a call from the nurse and she was rude why are you seeing the lady dr, i said she the one that does my diebetic and she said why are you on clospam, i said for my stomach and help anxiety. then she said why did you see dr ( was gallbladder dr) and i said he the one that took my gall bladder out. and cant rember she said well the dr will see ya but not for pain mg. so i said i be in and find out what going on...
well went in, i wish i thought of it i would of took in the scripts the ER gave me that i never filled so i can show i didnt fill all of them... i might filled one. b/c i was in aweful pain for broekn ribs. well anyway he mention about the other dr but he didnt give me a chance to explain the whole thing from insurance and things, i just was able to get out hey .....
you were sure if you were going to be here you were fighting to stay and he was in a big mes with his contract his self... and anywa i said she does my diebeticand stuff and that all, but he got mad and said well maybe you should stay with her and let her care... well for one she dont do chronic pain b/c if she did that might been a differnt story. he woulsnt let me sat anythig else and walk out... he never said i was dismissed and another lady came in and said you need to go.... the reg nurse didnt come in.
so this hurt i knew this dr over 15 yrs compare this lady dr only4-5 yrs.
what are you suppose to do when your insurance chages and i never got pain meds b/c i tried long time agoi and she said i dont do anything but vicodin that dont do me nothiong. so now i trying to find a dr that will take me and let me explin my situation.... but a dr you had relation with for 15 yrs to do this to you, i just dont know.......i dont know if he got up set b/c i had 2 dr but for differnt things.
if he left which was like 2 months ago if he and his lawyer sisnt get something taken i wouldnt have a dr at all, so i need a dr, i know she wouldnt do pain, but she had half of my medicatal that was important.
i hate loosiong him he would give me aanything i need i doint mean meds, like dr note and helping with disabity and thing like that. i could get in and no wait time.
but the thing i feel is he should of ask who gav me those meds i told them i was taken and never ask... yes maybe i should said do you want to take these meds over do i go to the other dr for that.... i didnt think, i think i should of had a chance....
i limited on pain meds. i thought of writting him a letter and explaining the situation, and asking if he can still take me if i stop seeing the other dr and if he can take the meds she give me...... b/c if i find a dr i know he going to write up, that i lied to him, i never did.... he never ask it was right in front when they ask me if i still take the meds.
so what would you all do???? it hard toi find dr that take over, i dont know if i should just ask if he takes care of back pain and then get in and talk to dr about it.... if i write a letter then i want attached to my folde3r so when the dr ask for file then it will have my point of what happen.
i even talk to my pharmacy they said it been a long time since you took any pain meds except what the dr precibe the morphine. ans he said have them call and well tell him. but the thing is i dont know wherew he got it from.... he said there was a state thing he got from the state....
but the pharmacy showed me what it look lik and he said there nothing wrong with yours.... so i dont know what going on....
the sad part is i take belladonna for my stomach issue and it has phenobarb and he said this came up, i said well i have it written in the chart what i take and you know about it..... i said it in my belladonna, then he got more mad. just like said walk out.... he should of know the meds i told them and he should know what in it..... so i dont know if he had a bad day or what.... if i was dr seeker then why would i keep my ER scripts, i would of got them and filled them already and used them.... i so glad i keep them, so this way if i find another dr, i can show him, i never filled them. do you think that will help????
i trying to work with a case manager ohio medicaid and i didnt tell her the whole thing b/c somone said they dont need to know unless quesrtion ask. so he leaving anyway in a yr and i just ask for help finidng and she called the my dr they told her i was dismissed... i heard by law they not aloud to do this by hippa law...... so i dont know what i can do about that that was between me and my dr......
i hate ohio...... but any sugg apprecaite. i hope everyone is getting better and find the right meds... have a great weekend....
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i am goingthrough al the same suff and tried all the same stuff now on medicaid im in question of ======has anyone tried opana er and does medicaid pay for it i even called medicaid and she couldnt answer that question. dues antone here know and how is the medication opana er 8-|
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Everyone is different. I take MS-Contin, 120mg 2x a day then 180mg at night. I get Oxycodone IR 15mg for breakthrough and am allowed 2 every 6 hours. The MS-Contin has been making me sleepy and also get some weird dreams so we're trying to swap to Oxycontin and MS IR for breakthrough. Trouble is the generic Oxycontin will not be available again until 2013 and it's unaffordable without insurance. The company has a program for poor people because they know they screwed a bunch of people when they revoked the generic. But to answer the question, what's better is what works for you. If you have a doc who has his head screwed on and isn't afraid to write this stuff then you can try until you get it right. Good luck.
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Ive been on oxy fror4 years and have not had to change dosage for 2. There is no longer a risk for abuse with name brand(oxycontin) not generic (oxycodone) and this has brought more of a influx of heroin to addicts. Instead of a pill which is now acid soluble wax which people used to crush, sniff, inject, because of its ease of abuse, now get cheaper highs with a bag of h and switch to illicit street stuff which you know none of its ingredients.Thier choice I guess. oxy(when taken as instructed) is still stronger than morphine and lasts longer, feels better. i'd say that an oxycontin80 mg, is as strong as 200+mg of morphine sulfate. people who abuse these prefer generic,(oxycodone)ir. for its water soluble and can be sniffed.
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Oxycontin is a synthetic form of morphine - I have been on and off both oxycontin and MS Contin, just goggle both and u will c that Ms Contin in a pure form of morphine, and it is definitely stronger. Ive just come off oxycontin coz they weren't touching my back pain, but I know that MS Contin will take that pain away - only problem is - no pain, no brain. Maybe one day they'll make a drug that takes the pain away without all the addictions and side effects. Goodluck with it all
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I took oyxcotin for 13years and when they change from oc to op it did not work as good and make my stomach hurt. my Dr. change me to mscontin 60 mg. it controlsd my pain much better
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[quote I FEEL THE SAME WAY I HAVE HAD 15 SURGERYS IN CHRONIC PAIN EVERY DAY OF ALMOST MY ADULT LIFE IT STARTED WITH MY BACK THEN I HAD A BAD CAR CRASH AND ALL MOST DIED BUT I DIDNOT INSTEAD I HAD TO HAVE 17 SURGERYS ALL OVER MY BODY KNOW NOT ONLY DO I HAVE CHRONIC -PAIN ALL DAY EVERY DAY. THE ONLY THING THAT HELP IS MY MS AND OXYCODONE FOR BREACK THROUGH PAIN BUT AFTER TAKING THIS SAME COCKTAIL THAT WORKED FOR ME . BUT FOR SOME REASON MY DR WANTS TO WEIN ME DOWN FROM 3 PILLS OF100 MG. A DAY AND 2 10 MG.A DAY AND THAT MADE MY LIFE LIVABLE AND NOT GET ME HIGH NEVER DID SOME REASON HE KNOCKED ME DOWN LAST MONTH TO 2 60 MG. A DAY WHICH IS WAY LESS THAN I HAVE EVER TOOK IT,S STILL WAS NOT EASING MY PAIN. THIS MONTH HIS PA THIS MONTH WROTE ON THE PILL BOTTLE TO TAKE 2 OF BOTH PAIN MEDS A DAY BUT AT THE BOTTOM OF BOTH BOTTLES IT ONLY HAD 30 PILLS IN BOTH BOTTLES AND 2 A DAY SHOULD HAVE BEEN 60 PILLS IN EACH BOTTLE LONG STORY SHORT TODAY SHE WROTE FOR ME TO TAKE 1 OF BOTH PILLS A DAY AND I AM IN SO MUCH PAIN I'M SICK ON MY STOMACH LAST MONTH WHEN HE HAD ME TAKING 2 PILLS OF BOTH KIND A DAY WAS NOT AS COMFORTING AS 3 100 MG. AND 2 10 MG. A DAY THAT I HAVE BEEN ON FOR AT LEAST 4 TO 5 YEARS SO WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET PUT BACK ON 3 100'S AND 2 10 MG. A DAY AND GET OFF TAKING 1 PILL OF BOYH A DAY WHEN IT IS NOT ENOUGH MEDS FOR TO EASE MY PAIN AT ALL MUST LEAST HELP MY PAIN LEVEL ALL DAY LIKE BEFORE WHEN I WAS TAKING 3 100'S A DAY TO 1 60MG. A DAY AND 1 5MG. OF OXYCODONE A DAY I MEAN WHEN YOU GO TO TAKING 300MG. 0F MS A DAY AND 20MGS. OF PERCOCET A DAY TO GETTING DROPED TO 60MG. A DAY OF MS AND 5MG. OF PERCOCET A DAY THAT IS NOT ENOUGH A D :( AY IT DOES NOT HELP MY PAIN AT ALL . IF ANY ONE CAN HELP ME WITH ADVICE ON WHAT I SHOULD DO PLEASE LET ME KNOW MY DR WHO PUT ME 300MG. A DAY AND 20MG. OF PERS A DAY YEARS A GO FOR SOME REASON THINKS THAT 60MG. OF MS AND 5MG. OF PERKS A DAY IS ENOUGH HE HAS LOST HIS FING MIND I HATE TO SAY IT BUT IF HE HAD HALF THE PAIN I HAVE HE COULD NOT STAND IT .
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The Oxy is synthetic and IMO much “Cleaner”... Check your hormones! For men especially, low testosterone will cause your pain meds to be less effective. You think you can not poop on Oxy? If you have had any problems with hard stools using Oxy, add a stool softener as soon as you start the MS or in just a few days you will think you are passing a basketball or could end up in the ER! This is kind of funny, but do remember how Elvis went out on the throne? Junkie Itch here I come! I never had the “itch” on Oxy or even Embeda but All of the Morphine based drugs I have been on tend to make my skin crawl to the point I start ripping off patches of skin in some spots. Each person will vary a bit but the main things that most get to enjoy with MS Cotin include sweating, itching, and BM problems. I will say that the MS is a little better than Methadone, that is the last stop for most of us... See if you can go back on the Oxy ASAP! The one upside to the MS is the cost. If you are out of pocket the cost will be pennies on the dollar compared to anything name-brand like Oxycontin or a top shelf like Embeda.
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