difference between endocet and percocet

I think Endocets are not eqivilent to Percocet... They say it's the same but I feel they are completely different and way cheaper. Why is that? Do you suppose the manufacturer could possibly lie about its strength and als be able to get away with it?? I do believe however, it depends on the individual and that persons tolerance to the chemical... Please, I will welcome any responses to this. I am curious to others experience with these medications. Thanks for reading this. (Teri)...Columbus Ohio

rowdie 40 is rite, when i was addicted to percocet i could take 20 -30 a day and be high as a kite, but when i had surgery i was takin the same amount but wasn really feelin them.

You are NOT a Doctor/Pharmasist. I suffer 24/7 from severe chronic pain, a severe head injury from a "Hit & Run" on my body & left for dead, degenerate arthritis along with multiple herinered discs on neck & lower back with bone rubbing oppisite bone. All so painfull. I do not live nor enjoy life anymore. It's turned me into a total recluse. My doctor of 12 years knows everything re my health and PAIN and dose give me anythting for relief. MANY pharmasists can legally refuse to fill strong pain meds. They have never seen my medical chart, MRI'S, Cat Scans, etc. Shame on thousands of YOU that refuse to fill a Rx by patients Dr. Many people, such as myself are suicidal. Stop playing GOD while others suffer. That's why these strong pain meds are made by large Pharmacetical Co.'s. There are many doctors that will not write a Rx with complete knowledge of patients pain to save themselves from being a so-called "Pill Farmer" or loosing their liciense allowing patient to suffer. Shame on them too. My doctor cares about me. There sure are thousands of Online Web Sites willing to give pain meds for a high price. Pure greed. I also spend thousands of $'s for Corisone injections. They Work!. Spelling & errors are from pain & sitting at computer.

I never write into these, but I have a serious complaint about Endocet. I have a herniated disk and have been prescribed 10mg percocet for about 3 years. I just recently hit a point where I realized I was addicted, about a month ago. I stopped taking the pills and within a week I felt like a whole new person. Pain decreased, sex drive increased, laziness and mood swings went away. This is all common stuff that anyone on these meds should know will occur when they are ready to come off of them.

Now over the 3 years I went periods of times, days to weeks at a time where I would stop taking them and then get back on them. I would always recieve a generic version of percocet, never once did I recieve endocet, which people call percocets generic, or twin. Now I dont care what anyone else says, but you can not tell me the case studies are going to be the same for these 2 DIFFERENT meds. A user of these meds that actually needs them for chronic pain knows their strengths, and their side effects.

I just had my wisdom teeth removed about 14 hours ago, and I am sitting up at 4:00AM researching the internet on why the hell I feel like I am about to rip my own skin off. The itching caused by endocet is ridiculous compared to percocet. I actually do not take Loricet/ Loritab due to the crazy itching it causes me, which is nothing compared to the Endocets. I cant really attest to the strength part of it right now because my mind cant take its focus off of the itching, but I definetly feel as if the Endocet has a shorter period of time that it reduces the pain. I see a lot of doctors and pharmacists that disagree heavily to what I and many others are stating on these types of forums, and that is that generics are not always going to be the same for everyone, strengthwise and side effects wise.

Another perfect example of this is going to be Somas, a muscle relaxer. There are the ones that have DAN written on them, and some that say V312. Two complete different medications in my opinion. I can go 1 month with taking the DAN inscripted every morning, I get high off them and extreme relief in muscle tension (the high not being why I take them), and then I will get the V312 sometimes when they're out of the DAN, and the effects are very minimal compared between the two.

Again, I am a long time pill user, and use them to lead a "normal" life. I am stating what has been my pesonal experience with the medication, and I hope my experiences might help others to find what meds will work best for them!!! Dont always read a book by its cover, because the same book might be read and seen completely different by two different people, just like some prescription meds. Sorry for the cheesy analogy, but I think it is a perfect example. Thanks for your time everyone, and wish me luck on sleeping tonight!

I have been prescribed both endocent and percocet. I too wanted to know the difference between the two. I asked my pharmacist and he got out a book and showed me. Endocet is stronger than Percocet. Percocet is apparently easier on your stomach too. Percocet is supposed to be more refined, therefore milder in relation to Endocet. Hope this helps, ask your pharmacist or go to the web site of the manufacturer, they would be able to give you a precise description of each drug. Michele, Newfoundland, Canada

I am sorry to say but if you are taking 12+ percs a day and Morphine for the last couple years you have most certainly developed a physical dependence on them. Being a former addict I would know. Have you ever stopped taking the medication for longer than 2 weeks? I guarantee if you do you WILL have severe widthdrawls, if I were you I would talk to you doctor about slowly lowering your dosage or things are gonna get painful and you will get very sick.

No way you should have to take that many Percs.

120 mg. of painkiller is easier dispensed as Roxi(30mg.) and various oxy or morphine tablets.

If your taking the minimum 10/325, your taking over 3000 mg. of aspirin/ tylenol a day- BAAADD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU DON'T GET HIGH?ALSO NO MRI,HOW CAN A DOCTOR PRESCRIBE THOSE KIND OF MEDS WITHOUT A PROPER DIAGNOSIS,EVEN AN X-RAY IS NEEDED AT THE VERY LEAST.YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT SUGGESTED TO GO TO YOUR KIDS GAME BUT IM SURE YOU CLEAN YOUR HOUSE WHICH IS HARDER THAN SITTING AND WATCHING A GAME.I HAD MRI AND HAD 2 SLIPPED DISKS AND ONLY GET 150 PILLS,HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET 300 PLUS MORPHINE?I THINK YOU ARE A MESS AND NEED HELP FAR BEYOND PILLS.GO TO REHAB AND COME OFF THIS c**p ABOUT NOT GETTING HIGH.

I take roughly 20 percs a day, + a 100mc/h fentany patch. I broke both of my arms in a work related accident.

I have been on morphine, dilaudid, darvon, toradol, oxycontin (which i realize is just a stronger perc, but could NOW be fatal added to the patch so i stopped), honestly, I don't think there is a drug out there I havn't tried, each week I see my doctor and tell him "I eat 8 percs at a time, and I feel NOTHING" I need off of these things before I kill myself.

All of these things i've tried for pain control have been useless...percocets are basicly the only SAFE thing I can moderate how many I take w/o overdosing.

I'm actually quite afraid right now, I have surgury upcoming shortly, and knowing that the two major drugs used in hospital recovery rooms (morphine and dilaudid)do NOTHING to me, is a frightening thought.

All of these people yelling in CAPS about "YOU MUST BE HIGH!!!" are idiots...I can tell you from 5 years of using every drug under the sun, you can easily become acustom to these things, not be any different, minus a bit of pain.

I am currently going through voluntarily withdrawal, and it's one of the most horrible things I've ever done. I hope it's worth it in the end, or I should say in the beginning, because I'll be free of the worst vice i've ever had.


Jake

I have gotten a generic from one pharmacy which worked really well for one half of pill. This month, because of distance of usual pharmacy, went to local pharmacy for convenience. The endocet does nothing for me, which the other generic from our regular pharmacy one half pill worked. Now I take a whole pill and get no relief. What's the deal? I need relief no matter which or what, what is the difference, someone needs to investigate this. I have argued someone is tampering with the medication. No way there could be this much difference in generic meds!!!
I have FM and need relief to work, no way is a doctor going to give me another prescription after one week. Any comments!!!

I had same response. I was taking a generic from my usual pharmacy which worked well with one-half pill. Then for time and distance, I chose another which gave me the Endocet which doesn't work with a whole pill. Can anyone explain this? The Endocet seems to make me feel down, like depressed, the other unknown to me generic made the pain go and I felt like myself again. There has to be a difference! 8-|

Good lord woman - 24 Percocet (or generic equivalent) daily? That's 7.8 grams of acetaminophen per day. Your liver is probably irreparably damaged. You need to have tests conducted to determine it's health. Then, you have to get onto a different medication and I would think seeing a different Doctor would be a good starting point. Just tell them what you posted here and they will take it from there. Just be prepared for their reaction, which will be o.O You may not feel 'high' as you have become tolerant on this exceedingly high dosage but you are. You should not be driving in this condition and if you continue, you will undoubtedly be in more collisions. If not for yourself, do it for your kids - you are not a functioning parent at that dosage level, you are an addict!

You are simply grossly misinformed. A large number of studies have shown that people who have chronic pain simply don't (as in CAN'T because their bodies lack the capacity to) become high on narcotic pain relievers. That is why a large number of different studies show that chronic pain patients have a LESS THAN 1% RATE OF ADDICTION (addiction is in no way the same as physical tolerance) regardless of how large a quantity they are taking. As to the fentanyl patch (actually the fentanyl transdermal system)--it is applied every 72 hours not 24, seldom to your arms (the chest, abdomen, and upper back are better locations) and is actually available in 12.5, 25, 50, 75, and 100mcg/h strengths. It does not deliver the medicine directly to the spot with the pain but into your bloodstream just as tablets do. The patch's advantage is that the dose is constant rather than rising and falling as it does with oral meds. It's serious stuff--the fDA allows it only to patients who have been on very large doses of strong opoid meds for a very long time without relief because it is so much more dangerous. If a patch is accidentally damaged and the contents get directly on your skin you can die of an overdose faster than you can call 911 and get to the hospital. Fentanyl is an effective pain reliever because it is 80 times stronger than morphine and 40 times stronger than HEROIN!!!!



I use a 75mch/h fentanyl patch for neuropathic pain, and it has brought my constant daily pain from nine on a scale of 1-10 to a three. I have breakthrough pain about two or three times a week. For these I take codeine sulfate or Vicodin, depending on the severity. In addition I use non-drug (oral) pain relief including a compounded gel drug I rub into the pain sites that delivers ketoprofen (an NSAID of the same class as Motrin) and ketamine (an anasthetic) directly to the pain site as well as ice massage, heat, and TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation).



BTW, nominal does not mean small, as you seem to be using it. It means "by name." For example--a brick that is nominally 8" is usually 7-3/8" long to allow for mortar. It is "nominally" 8 inches. AND "in vivo" means in the body. Only in a lab would a drug's behaviour be discussed not "in vivo." Neither nominal nor in vivo belong in your sentence, and that the drug is delivered to the spot that hurts is just plain false. Don't judge the mote in the eye of the previous poster until you've removed the beam from your own.



You haven't endured my pain nor the poster's pain and you have no right to decide what (s)he or I should (or should be allowed) to take to control our pain

Lets clear some things up because it seems like a lot of you are truly uneducated or just dumb when it comes to this. I assume most of you have never been in a position where you unfortunately need pain medication just to function, not because of addiction, but due to real physical PAIN. I also take percocet, a lot, almost 20 per day for the last 6 months, before that, 10-12 day for 4 years. I have a rod in my whole leg due to a snowboarding accident, 6 months ago, a bad car accident. Now have a rod, 4 screws, 2 herniated discs, multiple pinched nerves, whiplash, sprained neck, abnormal swelling in my lower back....etc!!! Yes life sucks taking pills just to move but on the flip side, without, I couldn't move!!! Most of you take walking for granite, you shouldn't !!! Most of you also take for granite you don't need medication of any type to do normal activities, you shouldn't. Could you imagine not being able to play with your children because your doctor won't give you medication because its an abused drug of choice??? That sucks! FYI, after taking pain pills for an extended amount of time, does NOT get you high, its not that we think we're NOT high, its the fact that we are NOT....bottom line. Everyone knows the difference if its the first time taking them or taking for your whole life, you, yourself knows when your "high" so please don't tell anyone if they are or when they are"high". For some of us, its just a way of life, its miserable, but that's the way it is. I hope to GOD, you are never put in a position or an accident that makes you rely on pain meds just to survive and do the normal things most people do take for granite, its the worst. So do not judge others because I guarantee, you were never and probably won't ever be in a position where you need them just to be normal, so you will NEVER know how it is. Your body does get used to them, so 20 a day, after 5 years, with new pain, isn't out of line. Yes, this medication will get the seldom user or first time user "high" but that goes away, after it does, it truly helps with the pain and without it, I'd already would have put a bullet in my head as I'm sure others would have as well. Just because your body is used to them, doesn't mean your in addict, it means the medication is not as effective and yes, your body does get used to them. Once again, I wish no harm or pain on anyone, not even my worst enemy because having to live on pain pills is no way for anyone to live. Let alone all the people who make a bad name for us, the people who NEED them to live a normal life (still with a large amount of pain, all the time), makes it very very very hard to find a doctor who will listen and give you what is necessary. I wish most of you good luck on the seemingly never-ending journey to achieve your goals and for the others who thinks anyone who takes pain pills is in addict or just takes them to get "high". F off, your brainless, stupid and F'd up yourself, but in a much different way, you need to be more educated before you make your self looks stupid...again! FYI, you stop getting that high but times like this, reading ignorant comments from people who are stupid, wish they would get me "high", ha ha!!! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, good luck to most of you, hang in there, it can't get any worse........right?

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gladstone wrote:

Hello! Is there anybody who could tell me if there is a difference between endocet and percocet. First I was using endocet which worket fine for me, and had to take percocet one time from the pharmacy as they didn’t have endocet and I got no pain relief from percocet. Is there anybody who understands the difference/ Thx
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I was asking the exact opposit question. I had taken percocet before with fairly good pain relief but when I had to take Endocet I did not get any relief at first. It reminds me of what a pharmacisists told me once. Sometimes what we have eaten even hours before taking the medicine can have an effect on how well it helps our pain. He said people have asked that question and then had their blood tested and found the same amout of the medicine in their blood even though they didn't feel as if it was there. I think that is why the pain clinics give out the breakthrough short term pain medicine. Personally, I think that there are times when the strongest medicine made would not stop my pain. We might as well get use to it and be thankful we have some pain relief instead of none. That was the way I had to live for years, No pain relief. I know two people who can't get any pain relief because of their doctor's idea about pain medicine. The doctor knows they are in pain but to save his own licemse, one Dr. stoped giving her any medicine and will not send her to a pain clinic because she is overweight and he doesn't like overweight people. What do you think of that?

There is a myth that says that somehow doctors are trained to be totally object and detached people. This is untrue. While some doctors are more objective some are less. I've met doctors who really dislike that I am overweight. Unfortunately, my medical problems make being active a lot more difficult. [It's hard to increase exercise time when you can't walk or stand for any substantial length of time.] I think that every person should realize that doctors are just people. They aren't infalible nor are they always sympathetic. Some are only in it for the $$$$!

I have taken both percocet and endocet. I prefer the latter in that my experience with constipation was less. Senna helps as well in keeping you regular. As the basic opiod pain killer is the same, I don't know why this is but that is my experience.

I have also heard that those of us with back trouble may have opiate receptors that have been damaged or destroyed. Some things I've read suggest that cannaboid receptors could be used to good effect -- but for that you have to use the dreaded weed and God knows that it's better for us to have pain than to use any form of cannibus!

IN short -- don't trust someone just because they have an M.D. after their name and don't expect anyone in any "official" office to sympathize with you because you have pain.