My Hemorrhoid cure....No surgery, no pain, no scaring

Hello All,

I'm sorry I missed the conversation with the fella who has just started treatment and looking for a place to stay. It's not for everyone, but I stayed in the Backpackers Hostel in Burnaby. Just google that and you will find it. They have a two locations in Burnaby depending on the level of privacy you prefer and the cost you can endure. The couple who runs it is very nice. My overall stay was far cheaper than a hotel, and it's within walking distance to the clinic.

I also want to reiterate how grateful I am for MartinV's persistence in providing accurate, thorough information. I've said that before, and I'll say it again. What a service to us, and I want to try to pass that on. I know so well that confusion of not knowing what the hell to do about this problem that we all know will not go away with any efforts of our own. We must rely on external help, and yet the options are so grim. Chinese medicine cannot solve all health issues. If I were to have a heart attack, I'm not flying to China - I'm going to a western hospital. But Chinese medicine has figured some things out better than western medicine. Period. This is the best example I've ever come across.

Add me to the list of those who took the chance and came out the better for it. I hope you do too!

Hi there. Thanks for the tip on where to stay. I am leaving for Vancouver this Sunday and begin treatments on Nov.1. Thankfully I have friends there that have agreed to put me up for a couple of months. However if need be, i'll check out the Backpacker.

Thanks Man!
G-man.

Best of luck to you G-man!

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Generally, these are good, common sense recommendations that everyone should do to guard against having problems in the anal area. But, if you have a chronic gaping cut (fissure) or long tunnel like absess (fistula) while feces are flying by on a daily basis then this unlikely to do much for most people. However, that area is capable of curing itself there have been people with fissures for example (i.e., pregnant women) that have cleared up their situation without intervention. The process would be similar to how the body is able to heal mouth sores without intervention. The mouth is wet, nasty area so technically this would not be the right environment to spontaneous healing. For must serious bum issues spontaneous healing does not seem to be working. I was the first caucasian to sign up for treatment at the NATCM Hemorrhoids Center in Toronto. This was over 3 years ago. I have a brand new rear end courtesy of the Chens.

Hi Folks,

I'm here in Vancouver going to the NATCM clinic, for a repair of an in-ano-fistula. Not pretty. On day 16 today. I'd have to say that the folks at NATCM sure know what they are doing. Almost everyday I talk to someone in the waiting room that has had or having successful healing of hemmorrhoids, fissures or fistula. But let me tell you in my case, it ain't no picnic or a vacation of any kind. Tough going to say the least but I have total confidence in these doctors. I just wish they believed more in painkillers.

Namaste,
G-man---getting better.

Hi G-man. Hope all is going well. How many more days do the folks at NATCM estimate you need to be treated? Your particular situation seems special given the difficulty in curing a fistula. Best of Luck. Please keep us informed.

Hi Martin,

Yes, I have a nasty situation but they have told me they have dealt with worse. I'm glad I showed up when I did. It looks like I will be here until the end of December. They tell me by Christmas things will be much better.

Hangin in here. G-man (aka Geoff)

Hi Geoff, I'm so glad things are going well. I concur with everything you say! The lobby experience is a great support, and I'm still in touch with someone I met there. The pain is considerable; I feel for you! ....but it is certainly part of the process. I'm very glad you feel that confidence in the doctors I felt, too. I'm *almost* out of pain completely after 11 weeks. Next week I go for a check-up (maybe I'll see you there!). If someone told me 1 year ago that they could get me out of this pain and cure my condition in less than 3 months, I would never have believed it. The pain is considerable, but it ENDS. Hang in there Geoff! Rebecca (sheckum)

First of all, a very, very special thanks to CBello and to all those who have posted about NATCM.  When I first came across the website for NATCM, I wanted to believe it but was worried - I have been taken in before by miraculous promises and didn't want to be fooled again.  Carmine, your article in that health magazine was the clincher - between that and these posts, it didn't seem to me that all of this could be fake.My symptoms were significant and debilitating pain in the rectum after every BM that lasted for hours (6-8 hours).  If I went to the bathroom at night - forget sleeping.  If it was during the day, I was distracted and increasingly unable to focus on work/other activities because of the pain.  It ruled my life.  This started several months ago, I had no idea what was happening and no idea how to treat it.  It soon became obvious that over the counter remedies would not work, in fact they made things worse.  

After some internet research, I suspected either a fissure or some sort of abscess.  Or a fistula, though I felt that was unlikely.  I read up on the treatment for all these things and was horrified at a) the lack of success b) the painfulness of the treatment and of the recovery and c) the possibility of permanent side effects such as fecal incontinence.  Not to mention that I knew all this had to start with a referral from my family doctor to a proctologist, who would order tests, etc. etc... all of this would take months (in Canada), and at this point I didn't know how I was going to make it through another week. 

I came across this site, NATCM, Carmine's article, and decided to head straight to the clinic.  They diagnosed me with 1 internal and 1 external hem (neither significant enough to be a source of my pain), and a fistula which had become infected (so basically an abscess - they told me I had had no pain from the fistula before now since it was not infected, but that I would have had it for years).  I was pretty stunned.  Knowing from my research what it would take for 'conventional' medicine to treat this, and remembering from Carmine's article the success he had had, I signed up for the treatment.

My progress, in case it helps someone, followed this course:

- initial 3 day treatment where they work to get the infection under control (some reduction of pain after BM was the result)

- initial "intensive" treatment at the clinic, lasted about 1 hour, includes acupuncture - painful but bearable, and much less painful than surgery

- the pain after the intensive treatment was significant and as they said it lasted through the night (no sleep despite taking painkillers), but the next morning it was very reduced.  The next day, NO ongoing pain after a BM - already a miracle.

- the pain after that became less each day, and never interfered with sleep or work

- one week after the initial treatment the fistula 'fell off'... they don't really warn you that this will mean significant pain with BMs, as basically it's like a big scar inside your rectum that falls off, and you have no skin in that area until it grows back (full growth takes 21 days)

- for about 1 week after the fistula fell off there was significant pain with each BM, and some bleeding, BUT - NO PAIN AT ALL after the BM itself -  the pain was due to the BM having to pass over an area that was growing new skin.

- for pretty much every day from that initial treatment to 10 days after the fistula fell off, I went every day to the clinic - even Sunday, after that I could skip a day or two as needed

- by about 2 weeks after the fistula fell off, the pain with BM was much much less - and still absolutely no pain after BMs

- it's now about 5 weeks since my 'intensive' treatment, and 4 weeks since the fistula fell off, I am at about 90% better and feel very close to being back to normal.  

I detailed the above because I think if I had known what to expect, in terms of the pain during the treatment, I may have been less anxious during it - I didn't expect it so I was surprised and worried at first.  Though I must say Dr. Ivy was wonderful and always very reassuring that it was all 'normal' and that I was indeed getting better. 

A few tips:

- ensure that after your 'intensive' treatment, you can go home and not have to work - and if you can, take the next day off too, in case you can't sleep that night (I'm sure the degree of pain afterwards varies but had I known ahead of time what to expect, I would have taken the time off work).  

- they will give you some Chinese herbs for 'antibiotic' - I asked them if it would be advisable to get a prescription for a regular antibiotic instead, they told me yes - I then had to scramble to get this the day after I started the intensive treatment - so ask ahead of time if you would benefit from this and you can have your prescription ready/filled when you start

From my experience, at the Toronto clinic clients don't seem to share a lot, but I did meet one woman who was there for a follow up who had had very severe hems (so severe she could not wear pants from the pain they caused and was severely anemic from the bleeding), she told me that after two months of going every single day she was finally 'cured', after years and years of suffering.  I met her half way through my course of treatment and she gave me a lot of hope.  

At this point, I'm absolutely thrilled at the outcome of my treatment, and can't wait to get through the last 10% and be 100% back to normal (should this not happen for any reason I will post again!).   And while at times the treatment is painful, the reality is that it's a million times easier than going through surgery (I have gone through other surgery before and there is just no comparison - the pain of this treatment does not come close to the pain of surgery, or even to the pain I felt prior to treatment), it is a very short recovery time again when compared to surgery, and you have a complete recovery - no side effects - something surgery won't give you.  It is hard to believe that this incredibly effective treatment is not available to everyone out there, and that it seems to be hardly known.  When I first told my family and friends what I was doing several were overtly skeptical.  Now I hope that if ever they have a problem they are able to access this treatment.

G-Man, I wish you the best of luck with your treatment, it does sound like yours was a very difficult case, I hope that you will soon be on the other side of things, and writing here about being pain free! 

Thank you everyone for posting and sharing - thanks to you I avoided surgery and are almost back to my normal self after 5 weeks. What a gift!

Torontocustomer.

 

 

 

Hi Torontocustomer,

Thank you for taking the time to detail your experience. Your experience pretty much paralleled mine except that I had a fissure tossed in for good measure. In fact, I learned a few things from your post that explained more fully what I went through.

This post will definitely help others that follow us. When you speak about pain it is important to note that in my case the intensity of the pain was never greater than when the as****e doctor shoved the "bazooka" up my butt to scope my condition. The good thing about the "pain roller coaster" is that it is due to real healing and positive change.

For those of you that discover the joy of complete recover through the NATCM, please let others know about it. If we spread the word, eventually the western medical mafia will be forced to change their ways.

Remember, to pay it forward and help others through your experience.

P.S. I have been anal pain free for over 3 years. It is pure joy to know that I will never need to deal with excruciating bum pain again. I tell people that my rear end is newer than a toddler's. Now when I get a prostate examine I no longer tremble and sweat for days beforehand. Instead, I slap my rear end and tell the doc "do your worse".

Hi CBELLO, Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it.

I do feel bad that most people would not know about this treatment option, and as such feel a responsibility to let others know. The lady I met who had had her severe hems healed was at the clinic the day I met her to collect some pamphlets to take to her family doctor, so that her doctor could distribute to any potential patients. I will do the same and bring pamphlets to my doctor next time I see her.

It is interesting when I asked my family doctor for the prescription for antibiotics and told her what it was for, she was worried about what I was doing and said she did not believe a fistula could be treated without surgery. And my doctor is not against alternative medicine... but she said all this sounded too good to be true. So I will definitely let her know what my experience was. I hope she will refer fellow sufferers to NATCM.

As an aside - what is really too bad is that this kind of treatment for these issues should be available to ALL, through our health care system, as a first line of treatment. They would save millions from not doing all the surgeries, and millions would be saved by people who would not have to take time off work, etc. I understand that some alternative medicines give sketchy results or inconsistent/unproven results and are therefore shunned by the medical community - but this is different. From what I experienced, and from what I have heard here and at the clinic, this actually WORKS, and it's a vastly superior treatment to anything we have.

To be treated at NATCM requires money - I ended up paying $3500. This is a lot of money - and may keep a lot of people from being treated. Of course I paid, and I don't regret it now that I'm so much better and without the horrible side effects of surgery - but it is crazy that in Canada, with our 'universal' health care system, we should have to pay this kind of money to get something taken care of privately when it should be available to all, publicly.  But that is a whole other topic and probably not for this blog :-).

For those who are contemplating NATCM, and would like personal references, call them and ask them to put you in touch with some of their clients - I myself will volunteer to have anyone who wants a reference call me. I didn't think of it before going to them myself, but I think this would be helpful for anyone with any doubts as to whether this treatment works - at least, by all appearances, for a lot of us.

Hi Torontocustomer,

The cost of the NATCM treatment is actually a bargain. It's all a matter of perspective.

First you need to consider what the price should be in an open market. Canadians see healthcare as free when it fact it is far from it. Any amount above zero will seem expensive.

Secondly, what is the value of a proven, non-invasive guaranteed procedure that has no equivalent in the West. If the western medical mafia where to get a hold of this treatment then you could safely add another 0 to the pricing. I don't agree with the way medicine is priced in our world today but this is our reality.

The medical mafia will not embrace the NATCM procedure willingly. They will use all their resources to subvert and block its acceptance. There is simply to much money and ego at stake.

I hope I am wrong. Very wrong.

CB

Hi CB,

 

I don't see healthcare in Canada as 'free'... it's paid for by our tax dollars.  

And it's only partially available at us with no extra cost apart from our taxes - dental care, physiotherapy, psychotherapy, eye care, medications, etc... there is a long long list... is all additional and out of our own pockets.  Yes some of us have SOME coverage through work insurance... SOME coverage being the key word.  The self-employed, contract people, and the unemployed won't have any.  

So I guess when compared to that - for example, the high cost of physiotherapy, NATCM is not 'expensive'... especially given it's guaranteed, and that they will treat you for as long as it takes to cure you.  

But my point was more along the lines of you can get surgery for a fistula for 'free'... but this treatment, which is much more effective, less invasive, and cost effective is only available via the patient paying the full cost.  And someone with tight finances would not be able to pay it.

So I'm not arguing against you - I guess I'm saying the treatment should be paid for by the government, the same way surgery for a fistula or hemorrhoids etc. would be covered.  

Unfortunately I also don't see the day that will happen, or the day when this kind of treatment will be the mainstream treatment here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi T.O-Customer,

Thank you so much for the best wishes. And I am so happy to hear that you are recovering and it looks like you are home free.

Yes, mine is a difficult case, at least to me but to the Doctors it seems to be no big deal. That's a good sign I think. They have determined that I have a fistula that is about 4 inches long with 3 openings out into the rectum. They tell me that they have about 70% of the thing cleaned out and yesterday they worked on the the remaining 30%. Very painfully I might add. I'm a little worried about how far this channel may go. But my faith is strong. Today is only day 31.

I'm a little unclear on what you mean by the fistula, "falling off"? As a fistula is a tract or channel created by the body to remove infection. I do understand that the hemmorroids fall off.

Bottom line is we heal when we are ready to. And thank you, I sure hope I will be on the other side soon and writing here about being pain free.

Hangin in Vancouver,
G-man

Hi Geoff, I'm really glad to hear they are making progress, yours definitely sounds like a difficult case though as you say, good thing that they are approaching it very confidently! I'm glad you're in their hands. I have a friend who used to work for a surgeon who 'cut out' fistulas, and she said those patients had to keep coming back to the surgeon's office for months, and had significant side effects, and a very long recovery time. So despite everything I still think this is the best way to go. Re the 'fistula falling off', that is the term they used - my guess is that what actually falls off is the scar tissue on the inside of the rectum where the fistula ended. But I could be wrong. I asked repeatedly as I like to know exactly what is happening - they said that the medication they put inside the fistula basically melts the skin inside the fistula off, so that it heals and there is no longer a hole. Then they said that it 'falls off'... I could not get it more clear than that, so I assumed they meant the scar tissue. I do know that it meant that suddenly I had an area inside the rectum with no skin, which must have felt like a fissure, and since I didn't have a fissure before, I thought this was the only logical explanation. I wish you well Geoff, keep us posted on your progress, and I really hope that you will very soon be on the other side of all this indeed! Torontocustomer PS Thank you for posting - anyone else contemplating treatment there would find all this information very useful.