My Hemorrhoid cure....No surgery, no pain, no scaring

As others have replied - I too am somewhat skeptical but willing to try.

Compared to others my case seems minor as I only get minor pain and only have some minor internal hems, 1 external hem that becomes visible after sitz bath, working out but disappears almost completely soon afterwards.  Also after a bowel movement the area looks completely normal for a while.  I have been religous about fiber, fruits, veggies, supplements, rutin, tried hemrid, practically eat nothing that would cause hard stool and had been taking colace for couple months.  It/they just won't go away:-(

So, this occupies my every thought almost 24x7 as if some kind of time bomb ready to get worse at any moment.  I still can't understand how they can get something that pops out to go back to normal. 

Why do no regular newpapers cover this type of success rate the NATCM clinic has?

Why do no other boards like earthclinic mention NATCM? when they extensively discuss apple cider vinegar, cayenne pepper, and other remedies?

Do easier cases like mine have very high success rate? vs fissures, fistulas and so on

Any idea in USA where they plan to locate a clinic? I live in New England area so not really too far from Toronto if it is years away or greater distance away.

It would seem word of mouth would get this lots of national attention.

As to why the NATCM is not covered in other posts, etc., I am not sure, but it may have something to do with the fact that its clientele is mostly Chinese. Maybe in China they are indeed covered all over the papers (they are said to be a 'national treasure' there and their work is recognized by the government. But this is the western world - a treatment that does not involve a medication that you can sell, or a product that you can buy and put on yourself has no commercial potential for any drug company or any company (except the clinic itself) - and that is the nature of our society - if it doesn't involve a product per se that someone can make money off of, it does not get mentioned much.

I have no idea whether a US clinic is on its way, or where - as a customer here, I didn't ask. Contact the clinic and they may be able to tell you.

Re effectiveness for your kind of problem - I did run across a couple of women who I spoke to at the clinic who had had very bad hemorrhoids, and both were extremely satisfied with their treatment. One woman had external hemorrhoids so bad that she could not wear pants - she was completely cured and was coming into the clinic to get pamphlets to give to her family doctor, so he could refer patients to this clinic.

I understand these things all seem anecdotal told here in this way - I don't know what else to say or tell you though. You should probably contact the clinic and ask them to put you in touch with people who had your problem, who could be a reference that you can actually talk to.

For myself I had one small external hem (in addition to a fistula - another issue altogether) which may actually have been more of a skin tag - they treated it and it basically shrank over several weeks until it disappeared. They do it by inserting certain herbs inside using acupuncture (from what i understood of the procedure).

BTW, apart from reading this post (and Carmine Bello's article in a HEalth Magazine), I have not seen any other 'advertising' for this clinic. I'm not sure if they advertise in the Chinese community for example. But I can tell you their clinic is always busy - and I would say 80%+ of their clients are CHinese. Hope some of this helps.

To you, and the person from France who was asking questions, again I encourage you to contact the clinic and get the information directly from them, and have them put you in touch with former clients. We cannot give phone numbers here or other personal contact info. They do seem to have a certain clientele that come from other places in Canada and the US, and who stay in hotels for the duration of their treatment. So you could do that. I completely understand that is a big undertaking, both time and money, and count myself very fortunate that I was able to be treated in my home town by this clinic while continuing to work.

Thanks for the information and yes I would fly up and stay close by and can also work remotely or in a local office my company has up there.

Hello,

I become very good friends with Dr. Chen over the years. Anyone that could completely eliminate my 12 year horror story is a God in my book. I drop into the clinic on a regular basis to say hello and take the doc to lunch when he will let me pay.

While I wait for him in the waiting room I will generally strike up a conversation with the patients. Most of the people that I talk to are there because of word of mouth referrals. This is the ultimate test in my book. You just can't make up this many success stories. Furthermore, most people start with with negative, disbelieving attitude but are so desperate they go to the clinic anyways. It is very hard for Westerners to accept such a complete solution without surgery or side effects.

If you want to be 100% certain, why don't you fly up for a day or two sit in the waiting room and talk to other patients. Considering the sensitivity of the subject material it's amazing how people are willing to share.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

P.S. If you decide to do the treatment then please "pay it forward" by sharing and helping others. Only by word of mouth will we make western take notice that they need to change their ways from the lucrative symptom based mind set.

Hi, I have a small skin tag left over from an external hemm. that I am looking at having revmoed so I would love to know how your treatment for that is going. I went to see a CRS yesterday and she said that she would not recommend removing it as I would likely be left with one the same size after it healed due to the inflamation caused by the surgery. I would really love to get rid of this as it is extremely difficult to keep clean and causes much itching and irritation. Can I ask whether they said the skin tag will be completely gone after treatment? Or do they simply treat the symptoms? Would love any information! Hope it is going well

Hi havemylifeback,

I have a small skin tag left over from an external hemm. that I am looking at having removed so I would love to know how your result was when treatements were completed. I went to see a CRS yesterday and she said that she would not recommend removing it as I would likely be left with one the same size after it healed due to the inflamation caused by the surgery. I would really love to get rid of this as it is extremely difficult to keep clean and causes much itching and irritation. Can I ask whether your external skin tags were completely gone after treatment? Or do they simply treat the symptoms? Mine is no longer an active hemm, just the skin tag, I only see hemm's listed on their site for treatement and I can't imagine being able to make the skin simply shrink back to nothing so I would love to hear about your experience. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

I am sure this has been covered somewhere on these posts - in any case, I had a skin tag among other issues - they completely healed it. It is gone. It was the easiest thing I had to have done there. Some pain but nothing compared to surgery and was gone in less than 3 weeks (1 time treatment and it shrunk to nothing from there).

Hope this helps.

hello thank you for this tesimony would like to know where is the dr address my mother is goign through that same issue she can't sleep or sit. pls help

Be Carefull of the NATCM clinic,

 

 

I went there(vancouver clinic) 4 months ago as a last resort prior to surgery (which is now schedualed for april 3)and was diagnosed as having 2 hemorrhoids and a fissure.  The Dr tells me he can cure everything in 3 -4 weeks and  no surgery but it will cost 2800$  (1000 per hemorrhoid and 800 for fissure).    At this point i was desperate as it had been a year long battle and he says he can start today so I hand over the first payment and we start.  On that visit he simply inserted what looked like gauze and then packed some cream and a cottonball in and I was on my way.  I started to feel better within an hour.  This continued for a week same procedure and each day I felt better.  The second week he said we were going to start with the "medicine" and that it would be uncomfortable.  The medicine turned out to be in the form of a needle (several to be exact) and hurt like hell!!!   Thanks to poor english there was no warning of this or any discusion about giving me some sort of injection but I had felt so good up to this point that I figured he knew what he was doing. This "medicine" was only given to me the one time at the start of week 2 and apparently was supposed to cause the Hemmeroid to fall off. I was given suppositories and cream that were to help with the pain and was still to come and see him every day to get the guaze packed in.  Apparently the "medicine" was for the Hemmerhoids and the guaze stuff was to help heal the fissure.   Well over the next 2 days it hurt like hell!!  seriously for 48 hours it hurt like hell!!

By the third day of week 2, I started to notice that the area was looking really bad, it was almost as though it  was "rotting", the small bump was kinda "black and green"  but it didnt hurt anymore and using the washroom was now not hurting anymore.  Although it looked terrible it didnt hurt.  After a week evrything just kinda fell off and the area was quite tender for a day or 2 but still felt good and like it was healing.  A few days  later and it started to look better, different but better.  At this Point were a couple of days into week three and the  the Dr told me I only had to come and see him once a week and he gave me some cream to use at home and suppsitories for any pain.  I followed this routine for 3 more weeks, going and seeing him once a week and using the cream daily.  After 3 weeks I though to myself why had I not tried this a year ago.  

AND THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STOPPED!!!!!!

Over the course of the next 2 weeks as I stopped using the cream and began to resume normal life I started noticing pain coming back but it was different, at first not too bad and then to the point I went to see him again 2 and half weeks after my last visit. Now I should mention that at this point the area has totally healed but looks a little different and feels different.  Almost as if the large Hem was cut into smaller ones and the internal one was still there but looked shriveled but I could now feel it again. I was also starting to get those wonderful spasms after using the washroom indicating that the fissure was back as well.  So when I went to see him he did an examination and he tells me I have an infection, and again with bad english that is the best expanation I got. He says I need to have the needle again and that he can still fix it.  I am so not happy.  So I decide to wait a week and go back and see the "owner".   By the time a week passes and I get back to see her I am in such agony that I know something is wrong, the pain is equal to or worse than before going to the clinc and something definatly feels different.  

Prior to treatment at the Clinic I had battled this problem for a year.  I would thinnk I have it under control and the it would come back but I was always able to get it back after a few weeks of taking it easy and sitz baths and lots of water and in some cases using creams, but now I cant get anything to change.  Using the washroom is dreaded as it is the same excrutiating pain everyday  no matter what I do.  I have now been to see 3 specialists and am schedualed for surgery on april 3, and heres the scary part, when i go for surgery they will do a scope first to determine what the problem is as they arent even sure as it doesnt look or feel like anything they have see.   Yay!!!! 

 

One thing I should note is that after almost 8 weeks of treatment from the NATCM clinc and I wound up far worse than when I went to see them.  Now I did refuse to have a second round of their "medicine" but only because the first round I am pretty sure is what has caused the problem. It would seem that this stuff kills tissue and if injected in the wrong area can do more harm than good,  I am not a doctor but that is what it looked and felt like. And now the structure feels different. 

Also a note is that I was refunded all my money as they have a money back gurantee, not a lot of help when you are in more discompfort that before.

 

USE CAUTION, I am not saying it doesnt work but be carfeull and get a translator and get lots of facts and talk to your doctor about the clinc and the procedure first.  I talked to my doctor (a 70 year old chinese doctor who deliverd me as a baby almost 40 years ago) after having gone and he couldnt beleive what they charged and pretty much said that the cream is a numbing agent and as soon as you stop the pain comes back, as for the "medicine" he wasnt sure but was going to get back to me. 

Hi there,

Are you able to list any of the "medicines" which were used? I would like to do some research on them as you suggest and make sure there are no serious side effects. Also, did your normal doctor (who you said you went to see afterwards) do an exam of the external damage where the external hemmerhoid was treated? Did they say what had gone wrong or what your current issue is? Lastly, did you ever return to have the owner of NATCM look/give any thoughts? Thanks for the info...looking at going there myself so would like to find as much info on them as possible prior to deciding whether to go through with it.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I wouldn't wish ass problems on my worst enemy.

The Chen family's record over 5 generations has been over 90%. If you do the math, this means that hundreds of thousands of people went home unhealed or partialed healed.

There are many reasons why this is the case. It could be incompetence on the part of the doctor. It could be allergies or reactions to the natural medication. It could be a weak or compromised immune system since the Chen protocols rquires the body to participate in the healing process.

You have a right to be unhappy since you did not get relief and if I understand you correctly, you feel like you have been left worse off. However, I can't help but feel sorry for all those people that are "looking for any reason" to bail out and go back to the status quo of harmful and ineffective medicine.

I was treated at the Toronto clinic. I have a completely brand new rear end courtesy of the Chens. I have referred countless people to the clinic. I know of only one person that has not been completely cured but is noticeably better off. As for the rest, I receive countless thank yous for having referred them to the clinic in the first place.

P.S. I would contact the owner in Toronto and speak to him directly. His English is much better and he is the Big Kahuna. Maybe they did something wrong or maybe there is something that they can do better. Their overall track record speaks for itself which is more than you can say about western treatment.

I wish you the best of luck. I truly feel for you knowing firsthand the pain and suffering that you are going through.

Hi Guest,

Just checking in on whether you have heard anything or recieved any information on what they think went wrong with your treatement at NATCM or what your normal doctors think the current issues are, since you said "they hadn't seen anything like it before"? I am looking at attending the clinic soon so any information would be much appreciated. Hope you are feeling better.

My name is Dinie, I'm living in Arizona, USA and have suffered many years from hemorrhoids, I went from doctor to doctor and

Hi there, I am the fellow who had the poor results at the NATCM clnic, I would love to give a full update but as of yet have no answers and am still waiting to get in to have the full scope  done to find out exactly whats wrong.  All I can say right now is that something is definatley not right and is different than before going.  Once I find out more i will post again.  I can say this I gave up trying to get answers from the clinic as the English  was terrible.  I cant say what the name of the "medicine"  but I can say there was no indication prior to giving it to me that I was going to any injection of any sort. It was just topical treatment I thought.

I did speak with the female owner of the vancouver clinic and was examined by her, and dont get me wrong both her and the original Doctor kept telling me that they could still fix everything but I would need another injection and would basically have to go through the treatment again (wouldnt have to pay as they said)  but at this point i am 7- 8 weeks into this treatment and out of pocket 2500$ and I actually feel worse than prior to going and things now look and feel different. Plus going through treatment again meant more pain and agony and more time off work.   The doctor said this Medicine is what was supposed to make the roid fall off and it definatley did something.  For about a week it literaly looked like a small area was rotting  off and then just fell away.  what i was left with once everything cleared up was a bunch of little bumps or skin tags or something that just no longer looks or feels right.  Not sure if this was normal or if the doctor missed or what but after nearly two months and now feeling worse no way was I going to let them "try again" .  What ever that medicine is it clearly has an affect and can most likely have serious side affects or complications and unless they can get someone to speak English and maybe communicate or work with your family doctor or specialist to involve them in the process somewhat I am simply not comfortable with trying again.  I understand it does work and even spoke with patients at the clinic who had good results.  my concern is that in the 10 percent that don't what are the complications or possible problems or outcomes and if it is so effective why has every doctor or specialist i have seen since said to avoid it. I am not saying dont try it I am just saying be carefull and talk to your dotor about it first.  I mean what harm can that do

 

 

 

I will post more once i know more

I went to Vancouver three weeks ago, the following Thursday I had a appointment

with the doctor and they could treat my hemorrhoids, I had mixed hemorrhoids,

3 big external and 2 smaller ones internal.

They started on Thursday and the next Wednesday and they all were gone, they fell of.

There was one day when they started to dry out the hemorrhoids, that I was in a mild

pain but two weeks later I could go back to Arizona.

Still have some swelling but the doctor told me that is because of the new skin and it will

go away.

I have to come for a check up in Two months and be home now for a week and it feels so

good.

The doctor is amazing, like I said, I went to Vancouver and had a wonderful female doctor,

who really cared for her patience, on Sunday the clinic is close but she let me come in for

treatment and even came to the hotel to treat me.

She is a wonderful person and I was happy to have her as my doctor.

Please people, don't walk around with this bad pain, do something about it, yes they ask $1000

per problem but it is worth it.

This family is amazing, they have one clinic in Toronto and one in Vancouver and many in China

but still no one in the USA, it is the NATCM clinic in Vancouver where I went.