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I origanilly posted a question about Subutex. But I`m going to tell why I`m really here. I am 48 M and an addict. I am addicted to opiates. I started 20 years ago. Perc`s were the drug of choice. I graduated to oxtycontin about 5 years ago. Life has been downhill ever since. I have gone from owning my own house with my wife and son. Down to renting a sh..hole in a real bad part of town. Still with wife and son. Thank Goodness. The only problem is. I got my wife addicted to perc`s and I am thinking thats the only reason why she is still with me. Her thinking is totally different while high on perc`s. As some of you might know. Perc`s make most of us feel younger than normal. Well, Her sisters husband, Passed away 04/10/09 and she took off for her sisters this morning. She only brought 1/2 a perc with her. She is a 4 to 6 perc a day user. 5mg by the way. She thinks she`ll be ok. She has no idea what she`s in for. She hasnt been without them for a couple of years. I get a monthly script and give them to her. Well, I sold half of them this month to make rent. So she is out. I came on here to try to find a quick homemade fix for her. You know she`s going to call and ask me. I got some great ideas from you folks. But the main problem is me. I am totally addicted to OC`s and I also have allot of other "Real" medical problems and I take allot over prescibed meds. I am taking a huge chance taking these OC`s. I had a heart attack in Dec 2008. I also have a spot on my spine which they noticed 3 days ago. Its being tested now to find out exactly what it is. If I go in for any kind of operation. I feel there is going to be a major problem with the meds they give you for the operation. And if I dont have my OC`s or my Suboxone I am a hurting person. I cant go to rehab. Because of all the tests I`m having. Plus, I dont know how my body would react to not having any of my drugs. If anyone has any info on the mixture of operation and withdrawals all happening together. Please let me know. As you can tell. My mind is going a 1000 miles an hour. And I`m just confused right now. Thank You

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Hi bruin: If there is anyone on these boards that knows what you are going through it is me. I was addicted to percocet, AND percodane for 4 years! I have been clean of them for 2 years now. Either you have a quack - like I did - for a doctor or your getting them illegally. Either way they are SO addictive - as you know. I was taking 12 of percocet a day and about 4/5 percodane!!!!!!!!! I had opiate toxicity, and was VERY ill. I went into a walk in clinic one day and met my godsend. Any doctor in his right mind will wean you off the opiates. You could actually die, if you go cold turkey! I went on methodone, but I didn't stay on it long - due to the fact that I like to have quick results, and some people I met at the clinic were on it for years. I will never forget when I got down to my last 1/2 of a pill. I didn't take it nor could I throw it away - I told the doctor "this is my life!!!!, this is my water" That's how bad I STILL was even though I had basically kicked it. It takes time bruin! You HAVE to come clean with your doctors, because if you do need an operation and you are still on them, you will detox so fast that they wont know what is happening to you. You could even have a heart attack. They will NEVER just stop you, they could infact give you something - like I had to get through it and over it. The only thing your wife will be able to do is go to the nearest methadone clinic, but that's not so nice either. I always remember being with other addicts in a wiating room and someone shouting out my name and said "...... we need you to pee in this cup!" I was humiliated, they need to check that you are still not using.

Dependency breads enabling, you are enabling your wife to be dependent on the drugs. You are worried that she is with you because of the drugs, because you both aren't in a healthy place right now. Any of us who have been addicted to these devestating opiates aren't normal with their relationships or personal health - both physical and mental. I remember one doctor saying to me "you know with the symptoms you have, you could be addicted to some of the drugs you are on!" I - being a pretty intelligent person replied "I can't be addicted, because I feel better when I'm on them!!!!!!!" Even though part of my brain was like "what did you just say?!" the addicted part thought "yeah that's right" your brain will make you do anything and say anything to get it's fix. So 1st you HAVE to placate your brain! You have to get something less dangerous to feed your habit. Then when that's ok, you go down again and so on.

My Godsend doctor has just put me on a GREAT drug for the shakes - unfortunately I will always get them, due to a growht on my sping I need pain killers everyday - it is called Cymbalta. Granted it doesn't work for everyone, but it has DEFINITELY helped me. The 1st thing to do is this, you have told perfect strangers - like me you are an addict, now you have to tell your doctors. Do you know there wasa HUGE lawsuite against the makers of Percocet BECAUSE of them not revealing the extrememe probability of an addiction forming. So believe me, you wont be the 1st person the doctors have heard having this addiction. Then you have to feel comfortable with their next steps. Like I said earlier, NO doctor in his right mind will make you go cold turkey. If you are going to a quack to get these pills, then PLEASE go to a regular doctor! This "doctor" and I use the term loosely, is a pill pusher! And he gets paid for every prescription he gives. You can actually sue him when you are better! Your heart attack will also be from the meds! I had constant arythmia! I wish you HEALTH and sobriety, have faith in yourself, you can't fix your wife, you can only take care of yourself. WHEN you get healthy, you then can help her! then you family will need healing as well. Because you may not know this, but even the youngest of children, know there's a problem with mom and dad. Time to look in the mirror, then open up to a professional! They WILL help you, and you wont suffer!!!! I promise. You don't need to go to Rehab, I didn't, just trust your strength, it IS there. BEST of luck to you and your wife.
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