Coming off Suboxone and Taking Vicodin. I need a wd schedule!

Hi there, I'm sorry that it's beeen so hard for you! If you've been off subs for 18 days, are you able to push on a few more days? My understanding is after you get past a certain point you really break through and stop feeling the symptoms. Does that sounds plausible?

No, it's not gone yet. I think I'm prolonging this with taking the vicodin. I have no idea where I'm coming up with this super human will power but I am trying really hard not to over use and just feel whatever version of normal this is. I feel like I am enduring a purging of all things toxic in my life. Last straws are being pulled everywhere and I am just finished with propping up this drug, these relationships, etc. I'm not pushed by some sudden influx of self esteem and the choices I'm making are putting me in a great deal of every kind of pain. All I know is I gotta do it, I gotta break free. I have to. I can't stop crying. f**k, I want to. Such a strange combination of feeling beaten down and feeling resolved and strong about seeing it through. I just want to find my feet, and for my body to feel like it's not doing all it can from falling apart. I've been listening to a lot of music and that helps. I had a therapist--an amazing therapist tell me that no matter how high the pile of sh*t, there is some gold there. I'm digging through that sh*t right now looking.

as I said in another post, where I am hearing people going backward, IE taking a full agonist opiate to get off a partial agonist opiate(suboxone). Suboxone is a partial agonist opiate, they are much easier to get off of than a full agonist opiate like vicodin. you're doing it backwards. get into a 12 step program it will help you immensely.
Larry

Getting off suboxone is not as difficult or as painful as some people maintain - here is a system that worked for me and subsequently many of my friends. The first rule is that you do it very very slowly - suboxone can linger in your system for months - yes months - so when you reduce dosages stay on that dosage for at least 1-2 months to allow you system to adjust. You have to fully adjust to each new dose before you reduce to the next lower dose e.g. Start at 8 mg ad go to 7.5mg stay there for 2 months and then go down to 7mg. It is going to take along time but this gradual adjustment will allow you to function and will reduce the temptation of a relapse - in my case to Heroin for 10 yrs so I did not want to go back. Once you get to 2mg reduce by .25 mg. From 1mg down you will then have to reduce by .125mg. To do this you will have to split the 2 mg tablets into 8 pieces (crumbs basically) and follow the 1-2 month adjustment plan. Finally when you have been on your last dosage (.125mg) for 1-2 months you can stop taking subs completely. If you follow this system the jump off is not that bad - I promise. I recommend then that you take a combination of advil, multi vitamins as well as milk thistle and st johns wort if you have budget for it. If you need help or have questions please post a response and I will notified by email that your question is waiting. Good luck good people and God be with you. The Subhelper.

Thanks subhelper. No subs left to ween. Here's where I am:

ok, it's the 6th of October. I thought I would do an update. I got off the vicodin completely and did not get anymore after i posted this. It was hell and it's still not pretty. So I am well over a month, more like 6 weeks off the subs and about 3 weeks off the vicodin. The WORST HELL was the first week. I will never touch another pill. Ever. I've started journalling and I went to one NA meeting last week. If anyone has any advice about the lethargy, I would love to hear it. I got the L-tyrocine mention in Thomas's Recipe and it's not working for me. Just makes me feel antsy but not able to do much. Wrap your head around that. I am sleeping better but there are still random nights where the RLS kicks in and I just want to die or cry from frustration. So my solution is to just stay up until I feel sleepy and I wont go to bed until I am completely spent. There is a huge difference between lethargic days and sleeping. Oftentimes I am not tired, just lethargic--like I am completely unmotivated. I can understand how people relapse but there is NO way I can go back now. I cannot imagine going through this again. I am so behind with everything: my house looks like a bomb went off, my car is disgusting, the yard looks like I am planning for forest animals to move in, and forget about my business, it's a total wreck. Not the best economy to be going through this, but look at all the cash I saved not buying and at the same time I have no idea where my bills are if something is about to be turned off. Absolutely no idea about sh*t right now. I think I am so overwelmed and that may be part of it. I have kept two things in mind: don't use and don't take that jackass back into my home. I feel like at times, this is all I can get done. I've also bullshitted everyone about what's going on. I feel kinda bad when people call me and tell me I should get tested for lyme disease via a tick in my over-grown lawn. Jesus, it should not be funny but it runs all over me. So, where to go from here. If anyone has any advice on the sluggishness outside of Thomas's recipe, I would be ever so grateful. I should mention one thing I did not do on the recipe: I did not take the Imodeum. I bought it, took it once, but someone posted somewhere about how our body is trying to clear out the duration of toxins from our bodies. Far be it for me to stop it. I could be vitamins are off but I've been swallowing more than any large mammal should so somehow that should have sorted it. Please help. I am so tired of being tired.

Dude - I am so freaking proud of you I want to cry. Not like a baby or a little girl but like a warrior that has seen the worst carnage of battle a man could possibly witness and still keep his sanity. Two months is the finish line. If you can make it through another two weeks I can promise you will feel better. Take a melatonin to help with sleep (google it but very simply melatonin is the hormone your body produces naturally to induce natural sleep) - getting good sleep is crucial to your recovery. Good luck and god bless - The Sub Helper

One more thing Parkaire - St Johns Wort has helped others with the lethargy thing. Good Luck and God Bless!!!! My prayers are with you.

Also realized now that you are probably a lady ??? Hope I didnt offend you with the crying like a little girl thing - figure of speech and intended to inspirational - not sure that worked though - I do try and I love all you good people that have decided to make a clean break. Good luck and God Bless !!! Sub Helper out its late and my fingers hurt from all the posting tonight.

I think we all picked up on your meaning and hey, women can be warriors too. It's a battle and I think that your description is pretty accurate. Where did you learn about all this??

Its a ministry for me, I like to help people because I realize from personal experience how difficult it is to quit. The Sub Helper

Oh I totally understand. I'm really glad to see that you're doing it. I was just curious as to why and how you got started on it. Thanks for enlightening me!

healthnfitnessguy wrote:

The Subhelper wrote:

Its a ministry for me, I like to help people because I realize from personal experience how difficult it is to quit. The Sub Helper

Oh I totally understand. I'm really glad to see that you're doing it. I was just curious as to why and how you got started on it. Thanks for enlightening me!

By the way, how long ago did you stop using it yourself? I know that it might not be something you want to mention but I'm curious. You don't ahve to answer if you don't want to.

first I just want to say thank you to everyone who posts here. I feel like it's going to an NA meeting without having to leave the house. I have a question for anyone who has been through it...I was addicted to opiates for two years straight. i got to the point where I was taking twenty percocets a day. sometimes more. rarely less. I had a doctor who gave them out like candy and never had the will power to stay away. so finally after I realized I wasnt the same person I was two years ago, I decided to stop. I moved east where I didn't have a connection and got down to about 6-10 vicodins a day. then last week, i stopped. I waited until I was in withdrawal and took suboxone. Now, Ive heard that vicodin withdrawal is the least difficult compared to all the other opiates (ie. percocets, oxys, heroin, etc) I started suboxone at about 12 mg, but went down rapidly over 7 days. two days ago I took 6 mg and then nothing since. today is day 2 without anything in my system. what should I expect?

IVE BEEN TAKING SUBS FOR A YEAR AND FOR THE PAST 2 MONTHS AM DOWN TO 2MG A DAY AND I AM HAVING A BREAST AUGMENTATION IN 12 DAYS AND MY DR. TOLD ME TO STOP TAKING THE SUBS 5 DAYS PRIOR. AM I GOING TO BE IN PAIN AFTER MY SURGERY???? could you email me at ***this post is edited by moderator *** *** private e-mails not allowed **
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