a third point of view on the gay straight debate.

This is the final of several privious parts to this post. All the others went thrpugh from my cell pjone to the wuestion by Vijay on his not wanting to be gay. Without yhe others this one can not be understoodd. I will try to go to library and use a computer there to bring them all together domewhere. Anyone know why i could not get this to post as a reply? I tried for 12 jours or more. Now as to this issue of our sexuslity and what sort of person should we do sex with. Is gay right or wrong? Were we born Gay or did things happen as we grew to cause us to find sexual pleasure in ways that would create a problem for us emotionally? Most humans who find even at young age that they feel more like they really like someone of their own sex to do sex with them or feel they idenyify with a more feminine style of behavior in their culture as it seems to be interpreted in their culture as teadutional femiine style of behavior also feel something wrong or different about them self that concerns them. The fact that they find themself wanting to do something they think might be wrong is already a trouble for them. Most humans compare themselves to others and use community standards to self judge themselves in matters of appearance and feeings about things to others. Most communities promote prejudice and pride which are the causes of all these personal distresses. Prefering some over others. From God's point of view where The Creator-God and Jesus each prefere the other over them selves through a personal humility each preferrs over pride and prejudice. Pride 8(thinking you are better of greater or more important than others are) is the heart of the problem. God uses the idea of defference. (Not difference but defference) yielding to the other over themself. Wanting those who are against them to have their way instead of their having their own preferences. Not just allowing others their choice but being happy for the other to win in the contest. The other who is against them. Their enemy to win. This is not the way of human nature. We want to win in all. Human endeavors. Our human communities want to win over other communities. Greed, selfishness, self preference, pride and The resulting prejudice are the results.. The most sincere religious leaders and moral advcates will like to ssy that gay behavior is unatural. That is a stromg argument against it. It is unnatural. Two penises or vaginas can not physically do what a set of each can. But the debate over gay vs straight is due to several things that are a missunderstannding of human sexuality. Neither the Biblical nor the secular (non Biblical) sexual model can be used to defend either side. But Satan's taking over the way humans view and way to fellowship with God (instead of through Jesus) and the Broken Human Nature (Syndrome) allow for the one sided debated from being correct. The debate is based on the claim non-heterosexuals make that the Bible and The Conservative Fundamentalist religious point of view is Anti-Gay. But that is not the point of the bible at all. In the Bible human sexuality is neither Anti-Gay nor pro-straight. Only persons reading into the Bible human love based and what thoese separted from God and their human nature is broken read those pridez, prejudice non defference based human ideas into the Bibles stories and words ideas that are not there and fail to read the ideas that are there. This is too wordy and complicated to explain. So, I have developed a way using an ancient Greek teaching method of questions and and answers that often make if clear to teens and young adults for the last twenty years. So, here goes. What is the Biblical model for human sex? What is the biblical model for animal sex? Are they the same or different? There is difference but few readers today catch it. Most read the Bible thinking it teaches us how we must Act (behave) to be accepted by God as right and someone who can be allowed to get to heaven. That is not Biblical. Paul explains that believing one can deserve to go to heaven is the false Gospel. The true Gospel is about those who reslize they can not deserve to go to heaven by anything they can.do to deserve it and they throw themselves at God's idea of Grace (the undeserved favor of God given to those who Admit and agree they are hopelessly lost and will go to Hell (Eternal Separstion with no chance to be reunited with The Creator-God due to the fact that they refused the kind solution offered freely to all human beings during their lives. God sends no one to hell. We each send ourselves there by refusing the Grace offerd in. Humility by Jesus equally to all Jesus did not die on cross because he wanted to send anyone to hell. He died to rescue all who want rescued (Saved or Redeemed by Jesus. O.k. so, some stranger or friend around your Age suggests that you join them in having sex with a dog, or cow or a bullfrog. Hey, buddy. It's really fun And hot sexual pleasure. Have you ever tried it? Then how do you know you won't like it? But what is your reaction to that idea? Does the idea seem repulsive? Is it disgusting? I mean, could you imagine yourself doinv it? With a Dog? A cow? How qAbout a bullfrog? Animals can and will attempt at sex with other animals of other types. A puppy dog or secually inexperienced dog will attempt coitis with a pole or a human's leg. So the Argument that some animals exhibiting gay behaviors or long term sexually non reproductive actuvity does not prove gay or lesbian behavior is 'natural.' A part of God's creation because some animals or Humsns seem to be born with 'same gender sexually propensity.' The whole popular evolution argument is defeated by animals who reject breeding as a necesary act of survival of the species. Males and fales want to breedb so that they surrender their lives to accomplish it. But inhave read the Bible often and deeply to find out what it says and try to understand what its author meant when they penned it. While Male Female model is used for animals it is not used for Humans.A different model is used for Humans. What model? Some would say it is the same but they mis a subtle difference. God did not make a female sex partner for Adam. God formed a Wife for Adam. And God had already made Adam to be the Husband to Eve when he would later form Eve from Adam's Rib. You miss my point. For Adam one special person was made by God to fulfill Adam's purpose in life. And Adam likewise was especially created or formed for Eve. In other words. God created or invented the a ct of sexual coitis, the whole of it. Why? There are many physiological and other aspects to sexual intercouese and All that leads to it. I answered questions about masturbation on an.internet question board for ten years for teens. I also studied health and nutrition and wide variety of disciplines and have an eclectic view of it. Most science is not based on scientific ways. It is based on opinions or conclutions of 'scientists.' If American scientists think something is true it will be true even when strong scuentific evidence proves otherwise. I know a dozen examples of it. And when psychiatric studies showed beding gay a fisease when that idea waz culturally popular and now it is not a disease because its Approved as a social choice is strong support of the idea of science being about the tail wagging the dog. !Good Scientific studies have proven the placebo effect to be real and a lie. Read the Price-pottinger nutrition foundation studies and learn how what animals in strong double blind studies ate (common modern u.s. foods caused the animals to have their reproductive Genes damaged that caused yhe offspring to show homosexual natues a which consistently prevented fifth generations from being born. Many times. I know how to feed you so your grandchildren to be 50% homosexuals. I am not saying homosexuality is genetuc but it can be. But this is not about just science There are a whole set of variables involved. But the issued is not about sexuality. It is or should be about is it disgusting to attempt to have sex with a bullfrog, or a cow, or a dog. God created sex. It is a good and Godly thing. But for humans sex is supposed to be done only with one special person. The very special one person created just for you. You don't get a wife when you grow up. God in kindness and love made one special person to .be your wife. God put the desire in you to crave sex. Because we follow our broken human nature and allow satan to inform our thouhts in it anx how we read into the bible false ideas about sex then we get a huge mess that has too many teens taking their lives over the issue. That is not God',s doing. Nor is your struggle or mine with sexuality. They are caused by our broken human nAture and our unbelief in how much God loves you. The act of sex has physucal, emotional, physioligical, psycholoygical. Physical. Spiritual, biological, personal aspects to it. The Bible advocates the. Idea that God created sex for a husband and wife who were created for each other. God gave us the desire and one way God lets us know of how special we are to him is to create for us a person who offers their private parts for our satisfaction. Paul teaches us that a husbands sex parts belong to hus wife and not to himself. And hers to him and not to her. So, the whole idea of having sex with anyone else besudes that person created for you or I should be disgusting. Just as disgusting as the idea of having sex with a cow or a bullfrog is. Even sex. By your hand is disgusting also if the purpose ofd sex is to participate in a joyful worship of God by a man who knows how much god loves him and his wife. Two peesijs can not have sex it takes three. A Husband, a wife and God. In the person of Jesus. Whe. Two humans have sex a piece of each persons soul gets cut off of them and is bound to the other person's soul. Then if they have sex with a third person then a piece of your soul that attached to their soul gets attached to the person they have sex with afterwards. So anytime. You do sex with a gal anx she does it with a guy then your soul is havinv gay sex of a sort. Few person's even know about this. They used to once in some cultures. Demons are reprwsented in Life by germs. If your parents were virgins when married and mknigamous then all the germs you got at birth were from them. If you have sex only with your wife durung life then your children get only the germs from you and your wives families. But if you had sex with anyone else all the germs from that person"s family line and anyone they ever did sex with end up in your children and offspring for ever into the future. This is what happens. Those germs represent biblically legal curses that may be troubing your family in future. If this happened to any of your ancestors from generations going back. This could show up as seeming genetic damage in you. One result of that coulx be sexual misfunctions. One might be homosexual thoughts and feelings. Your grandchildren and great grandchildren could end up blind or deaf or have any one of many problems caused by the fact we humans are separated from God. This is our lot. Jesus when he died to solve the problem of sin also broke all these curses (unhappinessess) for all who believe in Him as savior. Jesus can and does miravuously heal many even today from health problems caused by demons that got legal rights to torment them and their descendents for generations. Now demons are fallen Angels, we understand. Lucifer is thebhighest Angel. Angels are messangers. They bring messages from God to humans. Angels were created to assist or help or serve humans. Humans have a higher purpose than Angels. Many Christians think God is. The most important but Jesus taugght that ttyebgreatest in God's kingdom is the Servant (helper) of all. And God created you and I so God could serve us if we are willing to humble our self and be served by God through Jesus. In God's kibngdon humility reigns. Jesus gives the example. We are commanded to do two things. One believe Jesus is the Savior who rescues us from a miseranle eternal separation from God our creator. And then tio serve each other by bejng vessels of God's Agape Love one to another, you to me and I to you. This is not our human love but God'z love.. It gomws fron God through Jesus through the holy spirit to me to you (and to you to me) and then back to God. We benefit and God is pleased. God is pleased because he created us for God"s own pleasure. It is God's great and goid pleasure to do all this Goodness for you and me. His winderfulness is then known throughout all creation.(the created things.) And all existance. There are some things and entities (God and. Jesus for example.)/) Who exist but were not created. This being one is their doing for all willing to be served in it by them. A time will come when time will ceace to exist and tjose oc us who have been saved by Jesus through our hinbling ourselves before the idea oc the cross, the death of Jesus will contuinue to exist a part of God'ss. kingdom having been grafted in by Jesus. We will give him all the credit and Glory for His great accomplishment and creative helpfulness towards us. None of us will boast of our own but only of Him, Jesus. Demons are fallen Angels who left their former estate and rejected God and the Savior and saught to worship lucifer as God which is a lie . the demons are. Messangers with lies. They can do nothing to hunmans but fool the humans to beelieve tgeir lies. Otherwise they have no power. But we are creartures of habit. We are easily diseaved. It is easy to be separatef from God of to thjnk we are. It is easuier to totally trust in Jesus as our savior and to tgank Jesus and to walk in THE Spirit and not in our flesh. But if you seek and ask God out loud God will tell you the same truth God tells every one else who has asked. The same thing. Gay demons do not get guys to like huys they get them.to hate God and God"s truth. They get gays to hate women and The wife God made for them who they never even met. There are three sex types maled femalwz and eunuchws who never marry. Dome gays are eunuvhs others ard mslez who demons of human hate entered by various means. Tyere is a lot more. You may hate all this info in pride or humbly revieve it. I hope you rwcueve it. God's Goodness is greater than satans evilness. Ic u r alive God seeks to kindly help you. Dear Jesus come yhelp us to know understand and folllow your truth. Amen.