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had hida scan and ultra sound done twice, all shows no signs of bad gallbladder, i have all the symptoms of a bad one without the vomiting and poops, i do think it's the gallbladder. doctor said to keep a diary of what i eat for a little while, no greasy foods ect, this has been going on since 2007.... any suggestions ?

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When you say 'all the symptoms except' some clarity is needed. However there are dozens of causes for any of the symptoms.

From Pulmonary Embolus, kidney stone/infection, pulled inter-costal muscle/tissue, pleurisy/fascia issues, colitis, pancreatitis, etc... The list can go on...


So if you could list the specific symptoms. ANy coincidences you have noticed, times of day, activity, food of course etc... anything will be helpful I am well versed in diagnoses. Especially difficult to diagnose cases.
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check out symptoms of a bad gallbladder on your search engines. i have all of them except the ones i told you already. blood tests were fine on the other organs. people have told me that your gallbladder can still be bad even if tests show fine. what are your thoughts ? thanks
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Several more questions then.
DO you have the radiology report in hand from your HIDA scan(s)? If no, call the place you had them done and get the physical copy.
Same thing goes for the Ultra-Sound, get a personal copy of the report for yourself and then read it; being 'told' you are fine and having some issues can be balled into "fine'.

Another thing with regard to the HIDA scan, did the hospital make you eat a fatty meal then return to finish the scan, or did they give you an injection instead of the meal ticket?

Many hospitals opt to use the meal ticket since it is extremely cheap (as in less than 5$US) whereas the injection that tricks your gallbladder in to being reactive costs several hundred$'s more BUT is significantly more accurate.(the which can be important)

There are many other reasons why you could have 'all the usual symptoms' and still have a normal gallbladder or hepatic system. But these things may require you to see a Rheumatoligist for additional tests, not excluding the more exotic blood-work that takes weeks to come back.

Since just about everything in your body makes use of 'connective tissue', and if there is an overall issue with it, it could be Rheumatic in nature.

There are G.I. infections people can get from Cryptosporidium enteritis ( a protozoan intestinal infection) to peptic ulcers, Hiatal hernia,
to appendicitis

Your age, sex, medications (and uses pls. not all are prescribed for said reasons at times). Diet also. Soda, coffee, eating out or pre-packaged foods? Other conditions and/or treatments you may have had will be extremely helpful.

Was an upper endoscopy done? Colonoscopy? Did the Dr.'s do a barium catscan and/or MRI of the abdomen? That can tell quite a bit. The mri's are better since they can tell living tissues apart with much accuracy versus the ctscan which cannot distinguish a corpse from a live subject.

You do not need vomiting nor the 'poops' to have a malfunctioning gallbladder either. The vomiting is a sign of advanced stage GB disease in general and often mean go to the Hospital ASAP.

So any or more work-up and background info will help...ALso like have you traveled outside your country or to asia, india etc?
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Here is a post I made copied below...THIS IS FOR ALL PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE GALLBLADDER... Is short yet comprehensive description of the HEPATIC SYSTEM.


The Hepatic System and Gallbladder disease:

The gallbladder is part of a large number of organs that work in concert with one another: The liver (produces bile, and enzymes, besides being the 2nd largest organ in your body, after your skin), the gallbladder (stores said enzymes waiting for a signal to release into duodenum just below stomach/into stomach), to biliary duct (which receives , or transceives the bile enzymes), to the sphincter of Oddi (which opens and closes letting out the bile into duodenum(small intestine below stomach)).

Symptoms of a gallbladder attack caused by disease, stones, enlarged biliary duct, or malfunctioning of the Oddi can be caused by numerous stimuli.

A very common, but UNDER-diagnosed cause of non-calculi (meaning no stones) gallbladder enlargement can be from taking prescription pain medication. The duct is enlarged, the gallbladder is enlarged, and upon having a HIDA scan (a routine gallbladder function test) you have a hypo-active gallbladder (under active) the cause may simply be the opioid pain medicine. Many people have been told to have surgery with that being the cause.

SYMPTOMS: common and uncommon of ALL types of hypo-active gallbladder can be from pain after meals, any -- or none.
--Severe headache generally located at top of head.
--Mild to severe pain in abdomen, from right-center, upper OR lower to left side of abdomen as well.
--mild to severe pain in the back and/or side, to between right and/or left shoulder blades. can radiate to upper shoulder down to lower abdomen right side of trunk to middle.
--mild to Severe nausea after eating or drinking fatty, non-fatty foods. Drinking coffee, alcohol, heavy juices causing a stabbing pain on right central side to upper middle chest.

These symptoms can often mask themselves as many things. The over-all symptoms are often so general they can easily be over-looked Or OVER-diagnosed.

A SIMPLE examine (prelim) that a physician can or SHOULD do when even the gallbladder is suspected is the test for Murphy's Sign.
If you've had it you'll remember. If you were positive for Murphy's sign you'll Certainly Remember! Is as follows and can be done with a partner.

Patient laying down- physician takes index through ring finger and gently places them just under the right rib cage one hand span away from middle of center front to a depth of one-two inches down and UP under the ribs. Patient takes a deep breath semi-quickly.

IF there is SEVERE BLINDING PAIN and patient cannot continue to inhale----POSITIVE MUPRHY'S SIGN, one takes step 2 .Ultra sound and/OR--.HIDA SCAN
IF there is only general discomfiture NEGATIVE--- Ultra Sound, perhaps HIDA scan still advisable under discretion of other symptoms.

This is the simplest way to self diagnose since all symptoms are often so general.


IF you are having cold sweats, severe pain (anywhere head to hips etc), vomiting, shivering, shakes or other serious to severe physical symptoms, DO NOT WAIT UNTIL LATER... GO TO THE HOSPITAL (10 minutes ago)!!!

JUST DO IT! Do not tough it out GO! RIGHT NOW!

For others on pain medication, specifically opioids, discuss this with your Gastroenterologist or Surgeon prior to surgery. You may not have to have it removed. There are several other options to choose from, TalwinNX plus Ketoprofen works great for pain, and won't interfere with the hepatic system (the entire name for liver+gallbladder etc). While relieving the cause!

Most physicians 'should' be willing to work with you to avoid surgery. Too many removals have happened for this reason alone.

Good Luck, the pain really stinks... Use your head, and ALWAYS question your Physician, they are human and forget stuff too!
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i had hida scan with injection and upper ultra sound. what good will it do for me to get the copies of them ? i can't afford to do all of this testing, i really think it's the gallbladder. what are you ? thanks
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The copies of the report and the cd are free to each patient. What you need is the piece of paper part. The report will tell you exactly what the dimensions of your gallbladder are, the dimensions of the biliary duct etc... also your right kidney will be noted and observed on the report... This is for the Ultra sound. For the HIDA scan it will give you the exact % of function of your gallbladder usually 70%+ is considered acceptable, however it may be closer to the lower limit but not been called "low" ...

The reports are very informative, and you will get a much better picture of what 'really' is going on there... They can be invaluable, and are FREE. Just call the place, say you want them... Go in, bring I.D. and sign them out... Done....

Everyone should get those copies from any test, however 99% of us do not think to, because we aren't told they are important. Physicians will say you are 'fine' even with noted issues... Happens all the time.
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my hida scan was 79%, i think. again, what are you, have you had GB problems ?
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Let us say I am in the field. Not the patient.
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come on, can you not be so secretive, you aren't a doctor are you ? don't make me guess............
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Hi both of you,
Ketter, it seams that Sawyl has helped you a lot. I just want to remind you that we have a Vote Contest. You can vote for any post that you find very helpful. And at the end of the month we choose the Vote Contest Winner.
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hey where'd you go ? can you help me figure this out ? hello ??
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I am still here. What I need from you is the extra information to better understand, i.e. the radiology reports.

It's in your best interest to have them in general, for your personal usage; but in this case will help me rule out some things.


Also, while you're at it (getting the reports) if you can get the reports for your blood work it would greatly increase the accuracy of my help...
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ok, who are you ? could it still be the gallbladder ? thanks
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Hi,
I'm sorry to jump in again. Ketter in my opinion Sawyl has some experience in this field. If you are able share some more information it would be much easier to help you.

best wishes.
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