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How is your wife and how is your grandson and how is Dylan and your sis? My Mom is GOOD!!! She not taking her heart meds, but she is good. I have been working HARD.....I spent months in that 18 wheeler then thought it was time for me to only focus on my store which I am doing. I did have to take a week off 3 weeks ago because of a tragedy we will say. All I will say is a 19 year old girl is dead and it's really messed up how/why,idk..........It's sad............During that week I was never so exposed to sh*t, but it isn't hard anymore sometimes motivation to do something is or anxiety goes crazy, but to just keep all opiates out of my body has become well not easy but kinda.....I try to form relationships with living people that has kind of worked for me........So that is all just work till Oct, sh. I honestly thought and prayed for you and your family EVERYDAY!!!! Georgia I did really good no i'm doing really good.........I know it is like TI said "I's not the dead you gotta worry bout" I almost went to an iowaska ceremony not sure...............OH so NOW my Dr. my primary care has decided the benzos are horrible for me ya frikkin think sh*t!!!!! I saw him earlier this week he was so worried has been calling everyday I am happy he cares so much I do respect him a lot. Not sure yet how I'm going to handle this well that is not true my Dad isa detox specialist screwed I KNOW!!!!!! So gonna have him do it over like monthes so it is painless now not the time to ct benzos. I have been hanging out with I can't use her name or details on here cause it is cazy and screwed, but her best friend and I have become very close. I don't know bout how this gonna work out. I slept at her boyfriends the night it happened wit my foot on the door. I was there for HIM only his father was on the road and I was the closest thing to his Dad to him THEN. The next morning well I didn't sleep I watched him sleep in a chair re reading his gf's death online till like bout 10, I left to go home he promised was going to be okay I went to drive home and was so torn up bout this I needed answers I went to where it happened knowing the 30 people that were in her room the night before would still be passed out.......I just drove thru then left but could not I had to go back so I did and found myself investigating the area then was kinda lost just sitting in a playground(ya).....all of a sudden I saw this guy and girl wit a baby carriage coming down a long hill I recognized him from the room he was happy someone was there she was ....idk. So somehow we end up in my car just me and him like hours later to quickly go to store and we sort of have been chillin everyday since. It was strange I thought I knew him from before but DEF DON"T. By the time of the service BF"S "Dad" is off road asks me to go wit him to service we all go. I end up in line standing by HER father.......wtf. So truck driving Dad and I no longer talk I actually think he hates me clean I'm strong so when I'm not dumbed down by opiate some people can't take my personality. I can't imagine he ever would have believed just how strong I am. So the guy idk is it good/bad like I know I'm safe round him like he will never allow opiates in a room wit me, but he 19 I know age doesn't really matter especially cause although I'm always with older guys I'm pretty immature. But idk maybe it just isn't healthy for him idk please try to advise me on this. I have spent like 3 weeks wit him and idk. I can say I would have prob lost it and used without him and the way it was in my face then the drama wit I considered that truck driver family and his son............Not anymore. Maybe it is fine but why then am I questioning it???

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They are doing good, the kid has been sick all week, but he is better today. My wife has started working, so that should help out, we have been behind since we moved down here!
Sorry to hear about that girl, so young... I know it is hard for you and her family.
What is iowaska? Do you mean ayahuasca?
Benzos, wow, just go slow, I have heard these are very hard to get off of, but you can do it, you know that now!

As far as the guy you met, just go slow, with him in such a fragile state, you want to be sure it is not just a rebound kind of thing, but I am glad he makes you feel safe and happy, that is what matters, not age or anything! (I should know, my wife is 10 years older than I am!)
You hang in there, what part of FL are you going to?
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For a home remedy there is the stuff that is plastered everywhere withdrawal ease but I've read in many places it is junk. After getting off sh*t then being on subs for almost a year I decided to get completely sober because I was extremely depressed and I had no motivation to do anything except chill at home and eat boxin. Which btw don't take subs for more than a week till your withdrawals are gone that is a huge mistake I had horrible withdrawals when I tried to quit nothing like trying to get off sh*t but at the same time because it was drawn out so long it is comparable. After failing a few times getting off them and my doctor continually giving scripts(which he had to be getting paid for cause he was pushing them on me hard) I had a buddy in Atlanta tell me about kratom he used and it helped me deal with the symptoms pretty well. I had to take alot of it but he was testing it I guess out on me so he gave it to me free but he started a biz after it helped him and me get off. I know he had a bunch of other pills I had to take with the Kratom which helped with anxiety and stopped my skin crawling and a bunch of the other symptoms but I'm not sure what all the other pills were. Y'all should check it out, I know this sounds like spam bullsh*t but I'm just throwing him a plug because his stuff really helped me get off of it. His website is lifebeyonddrugs.com if it helped me get off I'm sure it can help anyone else. He was bangin a ball a day and that's what he used to get off. Anyway I hope it can help someone else to
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hi guys, I have been addicted to Percocet for about 7 years. I have stopped once last year for 20 days and then like an id**t started again. When I stopped that time I used gabapentin after reading that it helped ease some wd symptoms, I can say that it did but also gave me some not so good side effects. I am tired of my life revolving around a pill. I am a single mom of two small kids and no one knows about my addiction. But I am ready to be done. I can't live my life this way anymore. I was reading about using loperamide and am wondering if this really works? And what is the usual dosage to help? I planned on using gabapentin again to help but I really don't want to replace one prescription for another. Also has anyone used the YogI detox tea? Sorry for all the questions just trying to get as much info as possible. I really want to stop this time and I guess i just need to do it and push through. This thread has been really helpful so thanks in advance!! 

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Hi Sunshine, there is a lot of good information in this thread. I have not used those treatments before, so I am not sure. I do know many, myself included, that have been successful with Kratom. The key is getting in the right mindset ahead of time, making a plan and try to stick with it. How much do you use every day?
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Hi Georgia I use about 60-70 mg a day. I am starting my detox tomorrow and really trying to get a positive attitude about it. I know that I want to stop, I guess it's just the withdrawals that I hate so much, like everyone else. And having two kids to care for while going through it isn't the easiest either but I got myself into this so I have to get myself out and I know I have the strength to do so. I have heard of kratom but don't know much about it, would you mind giving me a little info? Thanks so much :)

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I would say taper if you can, but set a hard stop date. Kratom is a leaf from a tree that grows in S.E. Asia. It is dried and powered, or crushed. People either make a tea with it, or just toss it in and wash it down with juice. In my case it literally stopped the withdrawals in their tracks(still felt like c**p, but at least thought I would live!) It works by blocking the opiate receptors (stopping the cravings)
Check out the kratomassociation.org web site, they have some good info on it.
Only thing I can tell you is you are stronger than you think, and time heals. Hang in there and stay strong!
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Georgia you give the best advice!!! I'm looking into your area and like outskirts of Boca. I'm PROUD of myself. I been pulling off work and just getting ready to leave. I'm gonna work down there two months switched to like 4 fast I HATE the area I live in!!!! So hopefully I can just relax for a few months and see what happens. Kinda excited....Well Georgia i hope you are having an amazing day in this crazy crazy world. LOTS OF LOVE TO YOU AND ALL YOUR LOVED ONES!!!!! Glad the boy is getting better K caught a cold too just turned corner.

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Safe travels, I hope you can regenerate here in Florida!
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Me too. Georgia, I ran 12 miles last 4 days. Today is day 5 of running. I'm doing 3 miles with the neighbors kids today. My sleep is soooo much better. I have 10 days till my 5k!!!!!!! I'm so proud of myself for not giving up!!!!!!!! Benzos yeah mess. At work now gotta get in a cig lol. You prob spelled iwowaska right. I'm very intrigued. Anyway you and your family are always in my prayers!!!!!!! I need a good running song!!!!!! Hate me by Blue October pretty good......
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Cool! I am so glad you have started running again! That is a great way to not only exercise, but focus your mind, and body.
Okay, one eclectic running play list coming up, designed to take you mind off any pain and inspire you to run like the wind!
The first two are to get you going:

Track 1: Crystal Method “High Roller”
Track 2: Cage the Elephant “Ain’t No Rest for the Wicked”

Next two are to keep you I the groove ;-)
Track 3: Moby “Extreme Ways”
Track 4: Santa Esmeralda “Please don’t let me be misunderstood”

Last two are to bring it on home!
Track 5: Rolling Stones “Gimme Shelter”
Track 6: Awol Nation “Sail”
Good luck in the race!
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As a mother to a son who has been through treatment for heroin addiction at least 6 times over the last 10 years, I've come to realize that there is no magic cure.  What I can tell you is that Suboxone is not the answer.  It's expensive and extremely addictive...I hate it more than heroin as far as how it's so hard to kick and truly messes with a person who uses it.  If they can't get any they use heroin because it's cheaper...  An endless cycle. 

 

As far as methadone goes...if you want a drug that you can pretty much never get off of, this is the one for you.  It's a synthetic heroin that seeps into you bones.  Talk about an excruciating wd.  From what I hear, most treatment centers are cutting methadone from their treatment programs.  Good...but bad that they're replacing it with suboxone.   Once you're hooked on suboxone, I know that my local detox center won't even admit you in for detoxing from it.

 

If you want to get off of heroin I recommend that you go through a detox center, choosing NOT to take suboxone.  

 

I'll grant you, I have never been addicted, so I can't even imagine what it's like.  I do know what it's like to stand by someone you love and help them through their nightmare of a life.  Over, and over, and over.  I can also recommend that if you can, don't drink, smoke dope or use any other mind altering drug.  It's still a drug, it's still a high, it's in the same ballpark and only a temporary substitution until you get good and high and say...what the heck, on injection, one pill, one snort would be great...I won't get hooked again.  

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AHHHHHHHH, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got my 3 miles down to about 30 minutes. With these songs I can run like the wind!!!!!!! Running has like saved my brain.......Thank you again!!!!!! I'll ttys work slammed!!!! lot's of prayers and love to you your wife and the boy!!!!!!!

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Greetings all. Like many others, I'm in the midst of a nasty withdrawal and just wanted to come on here and tell my story. Maybe it will help someone, maybe it will give someone the courage to take this demon head-on themselves and maybe (hopefully) I can glean some useful advice and/or encouragement. Sadly, I'm no stranger to addiction and withdrawal. What started as a dabble for fun became full blown when a complete tear to all 4 ligaments in my knee led me into the pain management trap. This is now the 5th time I've been through withdrawals and without a doubt it has been the worst of them all. I'm 36 years old and in good shape overall, but nowhere near the shape I was in pre-injury. Before the Injury I trained my hung ga gung fu compulsively 2 times a day 6 or 7 days a week. When I sustained the injury and lost the ability to train, well... Painkillers were there to fill that void in my life. Today, I can train again but my addiction has controlled me to the point that I had no desire what so ever to train. I've withdrawaled off of morphine, norcos, methadone and roxis and am currently doing it from heroin. I relocated to a part of the country that was experiencing a pill epidemic and could not find a doctor to take-over my RX's nor could I hardly find, let alone afford the exorbitant prices of pills (then roxi 30s) on the street. So in an attempt to *not* be sick I started using heroin. Good heroin too... Not stepped on garbage but actual brown (usually) brick pieces of heroin chipped right off the blocks. I snorted mostly, only IVing for about 2 weeks in an effort to save money as my appetite had gotten me up to a gram-gram and a half of extremely potent dope per day. Finally, I decided the only end game for me if I didn't choose to end the game by my own free-will was either prison or a grave. So I jumped off from a gram and a half a day habit cold turkey. Let me tell you I have never been so sick. Methadone wd's weren't even this bad. Today is day 8 cold turkey and while mentally I feel clearer then ever, physically I still feel weak, fatigued and like I have a lead suit on. Has anyone ever quit from such a high daily use after having gone through withdrawals 4 times before? If so, what beyond day 8 should I expect? There is no desire to use, however I really really want my energy back. To me, it is the worst side effect hands down. I've been using the loperamide off and on with mixed results. I've read of people potentiating it to help it cross the BBB using quinine (tonic water?) but this is a dangerous proposition for me as I don't want ANY opiates on those starved receptors in my brain. To anyone else reading this that is struggling with this awful addiction or having a hard time coming to grips with the realities of withdrawal... You can do it. There is nothing more then that that I can say. You can do it. You have to dig deep and turn that addiction around and point it right back at yourself, but you can do it. I've made it this far coming off of a ridiculously high daily habit... So you can too. Find people to commiserate with, your friends and family will understand. Don't try to do this alone. The sole act of our addiction is a very lonely and isolating one, you have to break that cycle and find the courage to be frank and open with people you can trust. Go to meetings, go to church if that's your thing.... But please find the strength within yourself to rid yourself of this awful and controlling poison. There isn't a single person on this earth who ISN'T better then this addiction. Believe in yourself and find yourself a new way of life.
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I've been on lortab for 21 years that switch was the worst thing ever to do. Im in withdrawal now & that's rare for me garbapentin( wrong spelling) helps but please find something else the dependency is worse & so are the withdrawals
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