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Loperamide (Imodium) or the generic and a histamine H2-antagonist, or OTC heart burn meds, i.e. Tagamet (cimetidine) saved my life! The heart burn meds reduce the acid in the stomach which allows for more of the imodium to be absorbed. Most people don't realize that loperamide is an opiate that is quickly "pumped" out of the neurons by p-glycoprotein. So, in theory one could overload the p-glycoprotein wherein the neurons would become flooded with the loperamide and the typical euphoria would be felt. But I didn't want that since I was trying to quit, not find a replacement drug. Anyways, the loperamide will act on the intestinal tract by binding to the same receptors that the opiates would normally bind to causing constipation, it will also bind to the receptors throughout the body so no muscle-aches or restless leg syndrome(RLS). So dosage, the bottle suggests 2 loperamide tablets that will total 4mg, and for a person who is not addicted to that is plenty. However, if one is addicted to opiates this will do absolutely nothing. This will sound crazy; he should start with 16mg (8 tablets) and move up by 4-6mg each dose until stable. Once stable, do this every other day and reduce by 4mg (2 tablets) each dose until he is down to about 5 tablets, then reduce by 1 tablet each dose. I had to take 18 tablets to stop the withdrawl and I was still barely making it through the night cause of RLS, and I was still having a bowl movement daily. Now, I am no doctor (yet, PhD), but I am working on my masters degree in biological chemistry. I have shared this with other people and have heard doses up to 50mg (25 tablets) at a time, but the result is the same quitting without the pain of withdrawl. The hard part of withdrawl is after the acute when the PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawl Syndrome) hits, about 6 months after quitting. Let me just say the acute withdrawl isn't that bad after PAWS.
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Please tell me this will help I want to taper off morphine I have flexaril vitamin c dopa mucuna and Imodium I really hope someone gets this soon today would be awesome thank you for any info can give I also have baclofen
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I apologize. I have sort of been a lurker here going through Sub withdrawals, all by myself, and celebrating 30 DAYS TOTALLY CLEAN tomorrow. Am I proud of myself...of course. Do I feel like sh*t still..YES. If someone even offered me a suboxene I think I think I would beat them to a pulp. It is the most, most insidious drug ever made. I am no angel and I have been 3 rehabs. When I look back, as bad as withdrawal is from Vicodin first, then Roxy second and now sub, this is the f'in SuperBowl of withdrawal. There is a lot of good info up here but the reality is we are all different so here are my rules after 10 years of wrecking my life and losing everything that meant anything to me:
1) THIS IS FOR YOU AND NO ONE ELSE. Once you have made your mind up to stop (whatever the F'K you are taking), stay off the internet. Our bodies are all different and unfortunately / obviously junkies are liars so half the stories you read are peppered with "i took 4 valiums, 10 perks" and still feeling ok. I can tell you this, I have had it all and until you really want to stop you are wasting your time. You have to do it for YOU. Not your girlfriend. Not your parents. Not your kids. Not to save your job. You have to want to want to wake up and not be a slave to a GD pill. Once you come to that realization, you are 50% there.
2) GIVE YOURSELF TIME. This is not something you do on a long weekend when you have been abusing yourself for years. I wish I could spend crazily for a decade and then make it on a weekend promising everyone around me "This time is different". Be prepared for mental and physical pain. Being on opiates is like living on a credit card. It's easy. Guess what. Time to pay. The more you try to avoid the fact that you need to pay back, I guarantee you will be right back kidding yourself in a week. I used to make a lot of money. There is no job, or amount of money that is worth being slave to some pill. BE PREPARED TO LOSE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS IN YOUR LIFE. Sucks...YES! But when come through the other end, i would not take $1MM to go back to day 1.
3) GET SUPPORT. I am not religious. I lost friends and the girl of my dreams but I kept on going by myself. I think I would rather be in jail in Columbia. I did not sleep for a month. No one called me. Somehow I managed to gather enough strength to deal with 40% of my work issues each day. I got put into foreclosure. I had bill collectors calling me but I just turned it off. This is the time for YOU TO GET HEALTHY. Of course it so easy to say just one day on Suboxene so I can do X, Y and Z. IF YOU DO THAT...jump back in...you are not getting clean. I dont ant to be a pessimist but the reality is junkies are liars and I have spewed the same sh*t I hear over and over on the web. Not to be a downer, but the odds are against you. The more you profess to want to get clean the more I guarantee you will be scoring pills in a few days. This strength comes from within and I do not care who you think is God , or even if there is one, but the simplest cliche is actually the best. At some point--- if you don't die -- you will simply get sick and tired of being sick and tired. Tell your friends and ask for help. I did not and I can tell you I slept with a loaded 45. Sometimes just holding someones hand is better than any high you can imagine.
4) FACE YOUR FEARS. Put a a list together of all the things you have avoided, disregarded etc and start to deal with them one by one. Dentist, electric bill, 100 calls from your sister ..whatever the F they are. Your emotions are going to be a rollercoaster but I promise you...GET BY THAT FIRST ONE andyou will see you can do it.
I have been through this sh*t for 5 years after 10 years of abuse. Anyone that tells you "take this"..is F'ED. Just pay the piper and get the support of those around you who love you. I did it alone and it was the worst 30 days of my life. Friends and family and just simply "love" is so much more powerful than any drug people tell you to take to relieve symptoms. And remember, living on opiates is like taking a loan on your mental and physical health. You had fun with the free money but now it's time to pay back. If you are not prepared for:
1) 1 week of pure hell
2) 2 weeks of lingering BS where it hard to simply take a shower
3) Another 2 weeks of going in waves of feeling good / bad
Then just call you dealer or doctor and keep taking the Subs.
Just remember the bank / loan analogy. You may feel OK today but the interest is building. Anyone that tells you WD from SUB is manageable in the short term if F'ING LYING to you.
Good luck guys and I say a prayer every night hoping there is just one person that will read this and it will get them over the hump.
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Some of your guys stories seem pretty extreme... Ive came off Tramadol a couple times and the last time was the longest and most i had taken in my life - I just went through withdrawals after being on Tramadol for about 1 year, (around 15-20 x 50 mg daily) then I made myself take only 3 a day the last week (had some intermediate withdrawal symptoms that week) , then just went cold turkey. It was bad but no where near as bad as some of these stories where you guys are saying you're feeling the withdraws weeks or months after quitting (calling BS). No offense to anyone but that just cannot be true. You might have some other health issues you are confusing withdrawals.
SYMPTOMS -
The first 4 days were quite awful. Crazy bad anxiety, go from sweating to the chills over and over, extremely low motivation/energy, crazy appetite, frequent diarrhea, aches and pains, little to no sleep happening at night, RLS, and random dizzy spells when standing up or turning my head. The 5th day MUCH better! Felt similar to the first day after a bad cold or flu or something. Sleep was not 100% but I'd say it was about 90% normal :) and better still each day was better after the only thing i still feel are the random dizzy spells occasionally (not so bad) for about another week (about 14 days total after quitting).
HOW I MANAGED THE WITHDRAWALS (The best I could) -
Personally I feel the key to getting though these withdrawals as quickly as possible is to eat healthy micronutrient dense foods (fruits and veggies), drink tons of water (1 - 2 gallons a day, tea is also good) and stay away from red meats to prevent anymore inflammation. And EXERCISE as soon as you can (this is key to helping your body to getting the toxins out of your body). Trust me I know going for a light jog or run seems like a ludicrous idea when you barley can hold your eyes open. I couldn't force myself to do it until the third day of withdrawing. I ran for about 15- 20 mins at a snail's pace and walked for a good portion of the time. Just force yourself to do it no matter what, it's not going to kill you no matter how much you think its going to.
Another thing I did to speed up the withdraw process and try to get some more sleep was take hot baths before bed (If you have access to a sauna this will do the same thing, make you sweat!).
Just remember when you're feeling depressed or anxious that these feelings are not really yours, it's just the lack of this drug in your system that is making you feeling this way. Just label these feelings as a side effect of the withdrawals and stop dwelling on them and accept them. If you still feel anxious, suicidal and/or can't get control of your emotions a week or so after you have quit taking Tramadol you should go seek professional help because that is probably a separate issue from your withdrawals.
On the nights you can't sleep I just watched movies and TV shows. Anything to take your mind off your symptoms, even for a short amount of time. Really helps.
GOOD LUCK! You can do it, many have done it before and we're all humans capable of the same amazing things. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!
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