My Hemorrhoid cure....No surgery, no pain, no scaring

I'm not the same person who was treated by Dr Chen. I'm interested in seeing the clinic doctors, but I do my research and so far it's not looking very promising. If you have more info though, feel free to post it.

If anyone other than cbello is curious - I asked my asian friend to help me try and find this hospital in china. They have one small private hospital in China - we weren't able to find anything else about the clinic in terms of collaborations with US/asian universities or success rates (even though they claim a lot of stuff on their site). Nothing on chinese forums and such either. Better than nothing though.

If you're interested - do a google search for "zhilou" in quotes. It should be the first link.

I am sure they will provide you with links to some of operations in China if you ask. Then you can go from there if it interests you. It really doesn't take much to set up operations in China. They don't have the regulatory red tape like we do. I have heard of research connections with Hong Kong and Japan but none are active I think. Like I stated earlier, any real research would require divulging details which they will not do. Western medical/pharma interests snoop around on a regular basis for obvious reasons.

hey guest, how is your treatment going? Did the small skin tag vanish as well?

hey out of town...I think I wrote you under guest by accident. Just checking how yoru treatement went and if the small skin tag ended up disappearing? Hope things are well.

Thanks for sharing this isitreal,

I keep waiting/hoping to come across at least one bit of information that will verify any of the claims made on the website...so frustrating that none of them (claims of research collaborations, awards recieved in China, etc) seem to be able to be backed up. thank you for giving the update though.

(I am out of town) My treatment went very. No. The skin is not disappearing. I was told it may not. It is very small. It does not bother me .

I want to bring back the posting to a place where we can share experiences for the ones who are considering this treatment, and for the ones who are undergoing this treatment
Mine was early January. As I say before don’t expect the same treatment as other have. For me, on day 3 the hemmie fell off!!! I was shaking, nervous and freaking out in disbelieve that it was gone!!!. I went to the washroom and passed all the things Dr. Ivy put inside me (gosh…. So many things….. herbs, things, creams, ointments, cotton balls, vegetables, spices, oils, fruits, plant roots…and who knows what else….I even think there was a whole jalapeno red chili!)
When I touched the area, it was all flat! There was bleeding. A lot. The toilet was red. I took a shower and went to the clinic. Dr. Ivy (the woman) said everything looks good and the bleeding is normal. I only wished her English was better. Every question I ask, she replied “medicine”. What are putting now? …”medicine”, how come the hemorrhoid is gone? …”medicine”…. Will I be better tomorrow? ….”yes…medicine”…… is it healing well? ….”yes…medicine”……. How long will this process take? ….“mmmm…. Depends …medicine”
Dr. Chen speaks English fluently, but he only treats men. And Dr. Yvy only treats women.
Acupuncture day and strong “medicine” was not easy. I was in significant pain afterwards. Tylenols and Advils every 4 hours.
After that, every days the skin gets better.
Dr. Ivy is nice. Unfortunately, all she answers is “don’t worry …..medicine”.
To Isitreal and Kel2985, you are clearly not in significant pain yet. I was. If you hope to find research papers, validation from other institution, etc …good luck. You are right to want to know the answers before your treatment. But I suspect you won’t any information about it.
As for money, my recommendation: Don’t look too desperate on your first consultation. They will double the price, and yes, they encourage cash. I don’t want this to become another war zone. I won’t get into that.

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(I am out of town) My treatment went very WELL. No. The skin TAG is not disappearing. I was told it may not. It is very small. It does not bother me .

Thanks for providing a real, detailed account guest X.

Hi, I have very severe fistula to. can you also forward my message to him? hope I can get in touch with him. My e-mail is

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. My name is June. Thank you so much!!

Hi Guest X,

Thank you for sharing your story. Can I ask, in this post you say that you were completely healed (area was smooth on day 3) however in a previous post (see pg. 13) you stated you were left with a small skin tag? I ask as this is what I am dealing with now and while it doesn't create significant pain most of the time, it is very difficult to deal with and gets very irritated quite often so I am hoping to have it removed. I am trying to find out if most people who have had the treatment are left with this condition or heal smoothly with no left over scar tissue./skin tags. Thank you again for sharing.

Hi kel2985, yes, on day 3 the hemmie was gone. But I wouldn't say I was "completely healed". Not at all. There was bleeding and some pain. Healing takes some time. The "intense medicine and acupunture" was done on day 2. The medicine is supposed to say inside overnight. There was some swelling, but no more hemorrhoid there. The area needs to heal afterwards. There is bleeding and I was sore for a few days (maybe 4 days). Today I have a very small skin tag. As the skin heals, it dries up a little. What I have now is about 2 mm. Again, I don't think you can expect exactly the same results for each patient. What I had before this treatment, it was a large kidney bean, extremely painful (or not too painful sometimes), but always in pain. Call them and ask to speak with Dr. Chen for a consultation to see if they can remove the skin tag. I am sure it is possible, the same way they correct fistulas and other problems. You are not desperate, so you should inquire now. The way I saw it was, either it works for me or not. If not, I wasted time and money. Not a big deal in the long term. Other doctors couldn't fix it, in fact, hydrocortisone always made it worse. Preparation H helped a little, but not for long.

greetings fellow bummers.  

 

i've been reading up on this post for awhile now - I just wanted to share that I am also a sufferer who is in search for options to deal with this problem.  The NATCM option, honestly, sounds like a god-send to me.  I don't doubt that people have had success from it, but naturally i'm just as curious to know more about who they are.  

Just like alot of you, i've also done some googling on them and really haven't come up with much.  What i did find though is Carmine's vitality post, and a video with Carmine and I think one of the Chens at some convention or something.  but other than that, nada.

Like others i'm very curious about their medicine concoctions - but since that has been a rather frustrating topic so far, I'll leave that alone and share another curiousity.

I'm curious about what NATCM's business goals are in the big picture.

Would they like to keep their operation fairly small - more like a neighborhood mom & pop restaurant?  We're their initial intentions to build a few North American operations for primarily the chinese residents?  Should we not be talking and sharing the positive results so that more non-chinese people find out?  

Or are they medical professionals who hope to share this service and information to as many people/sufferers as possible, beyond the chinese speaking person - to grow to more facilities all throughout the world, and possibly even be the public face to the millions of sufferers in the world, as the solution to all solutions when it comes to booty problems?

Most, if not all of the people in here who have had positive results want to share this great opportunity to cure these pain-in-the-arse problems, encouraging others to try it out.  But does NATCM want this kind of attention?

Because by the looks of what I found from research on google and the whole wide world of the webernet, they share just as much information as a scam website.  Their websites even look like generic template websites.  

Now I'm not accusing them as a scam in any way - it's just that the lack of information and from what it looks like, a lack of willingness to advertise and share their operation immediately draws up flags in my head. 

And no offense to you, Carmine, but for all I know you might be NATCM's english speaking rep and getting paid to spread the word, even on here.  I'm not saying that you are - but naturally, I can't help but to wonder as well.  the way you write i get a feeling like it's some sales pitch, writing the same sentences about the chens over and over again.  maybe it's just easier to copy & paste to get the very same point across to a bunch of us who just don't get it.  I'm really hoping that you're not, and really are a guy who had no connection with anyone from NATCM at all before your leap of faith with them.

BTW, how did you discover NATCM yourself?

 

I guess what i'm saying is......it's 2013.  

a monkey can open up a facebook page, a twitter page, a youtube page, and a website.  we're now in a social media universe where yelp can make turn a mom & pop shop into a worldwide phenomenon.

So why in the hell is it so damn hard to find them?

 

PS:  i also understand that the western doctor world tries to shun any kind of "alternative" medicine that might possibly take away their big checks.....but if I want to get a colonic or do a Cayenne pepper master cleanse or learn more about wheatgrass, i can pull up literally thousands of links and pages and blogs and articles, and I don't see the western doctor world doing much about it.

or are they...?

 

am i making sense?  i might have confused myself....

 

all that being said - i want these NATCM guys to be the real deal - i would love to get these 2 external blueberries to stop following me everywhere I go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Search for ".brandwall natcm" click the link, what does it say in the adverts about locations? Now when i goto natcm.ca, right underneath the our treatment is a sign that says daily news! Its says in BIG RED LETTERS "One location only"? America , Europe , Vancouver.. all fake??? Where is this american clinic they speak of!   Thank you all for posting / Reading..