Cramping pain in right side after gallbladder removal thread.
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Since then, I've done a ton of reading & researching & found that the liver can be stressed & the bile production can be too little or too much after GB surgery.
I started taking a liver cleanse tablet 3 times a day & the pain has gone away for the most part. I find mine comes when I'm upset, or with certain things I eat, but before the liver cleanse tablets, it was constant.
I also take pepcid 2 to 3 times a day & that seems to help. Hope this helps anyone else still experiencing the right side rib pain.
I was pretty set on getting it taken out, but now after reading all these posts, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't want to deal with the pain and inconvenience of these attacks anymore. My father and my sister have had their gb's taken out and have done fine with the surgery.
Over the next few days I experienced much pain and discomfort and I was basically unable to eat anything, but slowly over the course of the summer it got better.
While I am mostly healed today, I still have bouts of severe cramping that involves hot and cold sweats, extreme pain, and then diarrhoea for several hours. Although it only seems to happen when I do not eat for a prolonged period of time or if I eat something that does not agree with me.
Now I'm seeing a chiropractor who practices applied kinesology. He thinks that multiple systems are involved and notes that the hypothalamus regulates a lot of the areas with which I have problems. I also have all types of visual disturbances that come on with my flare-ups. The chiro. doc. thinks that I am having bouts of low blood sugar too and has put me on a low sugar diet to see what happens. It has helped at first but it is only so-so. For the most part, the light-bright yellow stools have ceased and he thinks my body is confused by sugar and is treating it as a poison.
The chiro. doc. also notes that a few things can impact a person's body to the extent things become mixed up in terms of how the body is supposed to operate. For example, anesthesia can confound the body and the body may need to be reprogrammed after surgery to restore or align the body's electrical fields or meridians. I know this sounds bizarre, but I have tried every other remedy and at least this fellow is starting to make sense -- especially after noting some interesting things on my lab work (I sent him nearly 100 pages) that other doctors dismissed and noted that some tests were useless due to the time of day they were run -- sugar and cortisol. Also, he found that my system is too basic (elevated ph) rather than too acidic. In this respect, drinking the juice of a lemon throughout the day (put into water to dilute) sometimes seems to help and I was also told that a person should have the juice of a lemon in a glass of temperate water first thing in the morning to balance the body and flush the liver. I do think this may help.
I have had the non-invasive mrcp/ercp and it showed nothing as well as cat scans and mri's. So, per findings of the chiro. doc. and lab work, it seems that I may be experiencing bouts of hypoglycemia as well as maybe an overloaded liver and pancreatitis. It is possible that other problems are present too. That is, I am intrigued by the post that discusses how the poster's intestines were closing off because this seems to be the case with me as I hear all sorts of idiosyncratic noises coming from my right side now and most sound like water being forced through a narrowing. This might be worth considering for everyone who hears the same noises, also sounds like water rushing through a brook or a pebble being tossed into a pond at times.
When having a bad attack, I find that laying down flat or in a recliner tends to allow things to pass in the RUQ and I am usually okay, but the chiro. doc. also notes that both the stomach to small intestine and small intestine to large intestine valves are not working correctly. This could be a source of problems for many here; which could also be due to adhesions.
While I did not have stones or apparent sludge, my gallbladder was chronically inflamed. While I thought this was due to infection or the like, I do wonder whether my diet played an important role. I used to eat sweets and fatty foods all day long--no kidding. I am a male with an extremely high metabolism, however, my body may have been overworked. Also, I've had acid reflux my entire life and was on Prevacid for about 5 years. Now I question whether it negatively affected my pancreas and liver. I initially lost about 22 pounds after the surgery but have gained about 7 pounds back thankfully, yet I am very transformed in my appearance.
At one point I thought I had lyme's disease through all of this and even had my tonsils removed thinking they might be a source of infection. However, having the tonsils out made no difference, although I felt pretty good during recovery eating baby food and simple foods. Then it all came back after I started eating normally -- within reason -- again. I have had many bouts of strep throat in recent years and question whether that may have influenced my system and might still be a problem. Regardless, I eat no gluten/wheat products and that seems to help some. I am on a sugar-restricted diet and the ruling is still to come one that. I can eat cottage cheese and aged cheeses (no lactose in either) but other dairy gives me fits, even with lactose-eating pills.
Tried a variant of Colestid but couldn't take it for long as I went through a vicious period of not tolerating any meds at all last year, I got horrible nerve pain, muscle spasms, and jabbing all over my body during this time. Found out I cannot take many of the pain meds but was given morphine after having tonsils out (it's an awful surgery as an adult) and was able to tolerate it rather well.
So, after reading this board and others like it, I've quickly compiled some things worth considering -- at least I am going to look into and things I've tried:
.Welchol, Colestid -- bile binders
.Questran -- for loose stools (not really a prob. for me any longer -- esp. after not eating sugar, which uses a lot of acid to process)
.Avoid: caffeine, coffee, chocolate, eggs, dairy, greasy foods
.Do: eat lots of green veggies, protein as tolerated, try adding flax oil, coconut oil, and olive oil to your diet for good fat, eat cashews and brazil nuts for good protein and fat and almonds if tolerated (almonds are tougher to break up and I can't eat them alone like I can the other nuts) -- but nuts are pretty fatty overall so this variable is a concern by default
.Carbs: The only carbs I eat are brown rice. I recently was told to dry-fry long grain rice (trying regular brown rice too and it tastes great, like popped corn) as it helps the body process it better, more slowly
.Pancreatitis and Liver Overload
.Sphincter of Oddi
.Intestines closing -- this seems to be my problem at times, and may be a result of too much bile hitting them alone, which would account for my ph being too basic. Remember, bile is used to alkalize the acid produced in the stomach -- it is not acidic.
.Be careful with multivitamins -- I just found that something in my mens health 1 a day is upsetting my insides. I don't know what it is yet, but hope to find out soon.
.I need to take vitamin D supplements as my D levels were quite low
Good luck to all!
I only just found this site, and so glad I didnt read it before the operation! really some bad stories on here, an it's scared me a little bit for the future.
I noticed that some people are saying they still get what is being called 'phantom pains' My doctor warned me this could happen after, that the its the liver that produces the stones, and it is possible that after the gall bladder is removed, that stones may be left in the liver where they have not traveled through yet. But he also said eating a healthy diet low fat etc would help with this.
I am pretty much sticking too a vegan diet, no dairy, no wheat flour, or glutton and only allowing myself chicken and fish. which seems to be doing fine with my stomach so far as ive had no dioreah or pain from eating. (touch wood) and i stay away from acidy food like oranges and grapes as this can agrivate it too, and cause heart burn.
Obs so soon after the surgery I cant say as i feel any different. I just hope that I do as life before it was pretty hideous.
I'm just really glad i had good doctors and a surgeon who warned me and prepared me properly. It is a major surgery, and if youre arent warned of the after effects, i can imagine that it can be rather scary, and frustrating, I just hope that you all find some way of calming your pains and getting back to a normal life.
I had my gall bladder removed in Nov of 05, two months later started having the same problems again. Fought with my dr for over a year about doing something to fix it. She wanted to send me to pain management, which i ignorantly thought was a dr telling me how to deal with this pain for the rest of my life. I wish now i would have gone back then.
She finally sent me to a Gastro dr who ran some blood tests and found my pancreatic enzyme levels were elevated and sent me to have an ERCP. When he got in there my biliary duct were scarred shut at the pancreas and in an attempt to reopen it, he cut into my pancreas giving me pancreatitus
I had a total of 5 ERCP's. Each time i had one, i became sicker and sicker. I dropped 90 lbs and was lethargic. I could barely keep down water, jello and crackers.
The pain continued and i lost my insurance. My family got together and sent me to a diagnostic facility called Sansum Clinic in Calif. After running Cat scans, urine and fecal and blood tests, vaginal ultrasound, and even a mammogram, they concluded i was psycho sematic. In other words since they can't find out what's wrong, it must just be the patient is crazy.
They treated me with paxil. I tried it for two months and since i still had pain i decided there must be something else.
I went to a nutritionist since i felt diet might be the answer, So far changing my diet has helped the most. No processed foods, only whole foods, low fat (under 5 grams per meal) I eat 5 times a day and eat small meals. Actually i graze most all day, munching on grapes or carrots, broccoli, edamame, etc.
I got insurance again and went to a new dr. That dr sent me to a pain management dr. The pain management dr did a procedure on me where he injected steroid in a nerve in my back. This blocked the nerve from receiving any pain signals from my upper right abdomen. After we tried this 5 or 6 times i wanted to do something more permanent as they only lasted between two weeks and a month. So we tried radio frequency lesioning on the 11th intercostal nerve and this seems to be working wonderfully!! I just had this procedure done a week ago.
I believe most of this pain i am having now is due to nerve damage by the laproscopic removal of my gall bladder. I have pains wherever i have the scars and deep into my body, from where they inserted the objects. My middle where my ribs split i have a seizing spasmodic pain that leaves me feeling like someone punched me in the guts and knocked my wind out. My upper right side, i have a stabbing, burning, cramping pain that radiates to the back. My lower right side, same pain and then cramping irritable pain near my belly button scar.
As far as the drugs go. I've been on hydrocodone for 5 years of trying to fix this. That is alot of tylenol which is bad for your liver. I feel this whole thing started with my liver producing sludgy toxic bile and wanted to get off the tylenol. He also had me on topamax, an anti seizure medicine as well as klonopin to relax me and relieve my anxiety and depression of being in pain all the time. I also tried buscopan and cholestryamine, which both seem to work with the burning pain and the diarrhea.
I did some research and i know methadone has a really bad rap for being used to get drug addicts off of drugs, but it was mainly marketed as a pain reliever. It is like morphine without the harsh side effects and less addictive qualities. It also doesn't have any tylenol in it, which of course was a huge hit for me.
Unfortunately, i haven't been doing very well on the methadone. It has made me incredibly sick for about two weeks now and so i'm weaning myself off and hopefully this will be the end of this painful 5 year journey.
I have discovered, no one is going to care about my health as much as me and that i have to be my most powerful advocate.
Don't give up! Be persistent!