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Hey baby! Yep, ambien, don't think I could sleep without it. Kratom is nothing like bath salts! It is a leaf from a tree in Asia, not modified or anything. I would tell your friend to stay away form the bath salts, especially if they are coming over for dinner!
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agree with u
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How is everybody doin ? I am fine today. and hopefully it stays that way.
Are u guys on a weekend trip or something like that...? just asking cause nobody writes anymore.Like someone's dead :D
I know it's a bad joke,cause who knows maybe
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ha, no, we just wish we were dead. Oh wait, I'll just speak for myself on that one!! So, the Ambien works for you, Georgia? I can't wait to get some! Yeah, I know bath salts & kratom are completely different, I just don't see how it could really help with something so extreme. Honestly, it kinda seems like we're just getting spam from kratom sellers, which makes me trust it a bit less. If that makes any sence. Everyone hang in there!
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LOL, i totally sounded like a kratom seller lol but I am not. i have tried ambien and boy, that was fun. I "woke up" at some ungodly hour and got my vaccum out to vacuum and then I decided to go and sit on my front porch. My hubby said it seemed like i was awake but I wasn't.

I decided to lay out in the sun the other day.....I AM SOOOO BURNT!!! I wasn't even out there for that long. I was making the joke that it must be a different sun here than in in portland lol.  Since the weather has finally been nice, I've been making it a point to get out at least once a day and hopefully I will be starting my job soon cause my kids are out of school for summer and they are already driving me nuts and its only been 4 days lol......it's gonna be a long summer. Maybe it's me but my hubby is DRIVING ME NUTS!!! Every thing I could usually just ignore is driving me nuts. I hope this passes soon. I'm thinking about seeing what kind of residential treatment they may have here that is based on your income. I'm sure there's only one program here if that and I bet it has a 3 month wait. I know i need to do something though and m options a extremely limited.
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I wonder how ambien works for u two. I used to take a couple of ambien pills and again nothing.Fro me works only Dormicum.
I feelin like c**p today, I slept till 1pm because i took last nigth 16 meth pills which were supposed for tommorow ,for today and now i have nothing.Just wanna to get over this day as quickly i can and i have to refill my valium. It's 40Celsius outside,hot like hell.!!!
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Trace.. No, you are obviously a real person & not a kratom dealer!! I just meant Major Kratom and a "guest" or 2. Actually, you do make ambien sound fun!! I wish I could clean and sleep at the same time. Life would be way easier! As far as your hubby and kids go, I think it might be us... I've actually thought quite a bit about leaving my BF lately. I'm just in a bad mood, I think. :(
Miligram, you should be okay, right? Going without for one day is not TOO terribly terrible, as I recall, especially if you're going without because you took extra. At least it's hot there and you won't end up freezing to death. I hate that about withdrawl!
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New here. Spent the last hour reading several pages of posts, then wrote a post of my own, but it probably doesn't matter how I got where I got. Long story short, I got addicted to vicodin (that I was prescribed). Ended up buying on the internet and looking for local contacts. I was ruining my life and my family's. I expressed my concern to my therapist (I have a history of severe anxiety and depression). He recommended going in for a chemical dependency evaluation. I was willing to do whatever I had to in order to get my life back. Two days before my evaluation I decided to go off cold turkey. I had tried weaning, but it just made everything worse. I asked my husband to keep the meds away from the house. I'm on Day 4. I think I felt the worst of it yesterday- I'm starting to feel better. I think.

I have a question. I went in for the evaluation and told the counselor everything. How in the past couple months everything spiraled fast out of control. I started buying off the internet, started looking for local contacts. I am surrounded by extremely churchy people and wouldn't have a clue how to find heroin, but I thought about it. A lot. Nevermind the fact that I was one Day 2 of withdrawal and felt and looked like sh**. She recommended I stay at the Sober House, but I said there was no way I could stay away from my husband, and especially my 2-year old son. I had no cravings so I didn't think I needed that. Then she said her minimal recommendation would be out patient treatment- all day, 5 days a week for 28-45 days. I'm now on Day 4 of withdrawals and feeling almost back to normal. Either I got lucky with my withdrawal length, or the vitamins and mega-food proteins shakes I pumped into my system did wonders. I have NO cravings. I feel strong, like I can live a normal life. A 28 day program feels extensive to me. Do I really need it??? I mean, I want to figure how the hell I got to where I did and how to prevent it from happening again, but I'm not sure I need such intense therapy. However, if I don't go, my medical records will show that I went in for the evaluation but didn't seek treatment. If we ever want to adopt again (our son is adopted), that would look really bad in a home study. So I feel like I have to go. That and the fact that I'm not really sure who I am right now. I can't practice massage because of my back but don't care to work a retail job- about all I'm qualified for. I would appreciate any feedback on this. Oh, and one of the reason this was the counselor's recommendation was because of my mental health history- especially my anxiety, which I struggle with every day.

Thanks for listening (reading? lol)

Laura
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Oh, and I wanted to comment on the whole ambien thing. I've been an insomniac my whole life. When I first started taking it years ago if I didn't lay down to sleep RIGHT AWAY I would get really loopy. I would see and hear things that weren't there. I felt like I was floating and would laugh- it freaked my husband out. I have heard people do weird things in their sleep- like vacuuming- lol, but I haven't. But now I find that if your really anxious or agitated it won't do anything for you. You need to be relatively sleepy (not tired) for it to work- don't waste the pills if you're at all worked up. Just my two cents. 
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Hi Lorz, Its really helpful if you mention all drug your using and age and how long seems to be a major factor and how much, each day. From my experience, I would not go to any treatment center without knowing exactly what they are going to give you and how they are going to treat you. I would say, in general, if you are feeling alright; don't go! Josh
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Ok. Well, I've taken vicodin off and on for several years- I probably started abusing a few years ago, but at that point it was recreational- I would get a scrip of 15 from urgent care and take four 5/500s at a time- which, back then was enough to give me a happy buzz. My tolerance kept increasing, so then of course I kept upping the dose. Last November I got the severe back pain and was prescribed 5/500s which didn't touch the pain, so my doctor gave me 10/325s. I started taking four of those, the five, then six. Since January, I'm guessing, I started running out too early and looked elsewhere. Found a local hook up, but he turned out to be nothing but trouble because the one time we were gonna meet he was drunk and a cop followed him to the meet. Nothing happened so I didn't get in trouble, but it scared me enough to not do face to face. I turned to the internet and was introduced to roxies- they were expensive, but so good! That seller disappeared and I found another. I drained my bank account buying them. Then he got arrested. At this point I was taking up to 70 mg at a time, 2-3 times a day. I also took a few extra of my xanax and klonipin with each dose. I wasn't leaving the house. The only time I called anyone was when the meds started kicking in and I felt REALLY happy. When my new seller was arrested I knew I needed to get help. I told the pain clinic I wanted to start weaning right away, and they cut my 80 mg/day prescription down to 30 mg a day- I about flipped! I had anxiety like never before- how the hell was I going to live on that measly amount??? I was broke and desperate. I tried to wean, but I just couldn't do it. After a week of trying and failing it was Father's Day and all I could think was "how the hell am I going to get more pills???". I said, "Fu** it, I have to go cold turkey". I told my husband to keep the pills at his work (over an hour away in a secure building that I did not have access to). I went to the evaluation, got sober, and here I am.

The treatment I am supposed to go to isn't a medical one- they don't prescribe meds or anything. It's designed to help you figure out what caused the problem and how to prevent it- you learn coping skills and decide where to go from here. When I was severely depressed years ago I was in an out patient mental health treatment program, and I think it is similar- group therapy, individual therapy, occupational therapy. I think I could really benefit from it, but 28 days? I don't know. I feel like I have 'do my time' so that if we want to adopt I took the right steps. But I don't look forward to being there with people who are court mandated because if I'm gonna waste the best month in Minnesota sitting in therapy, I better get a whole helluva lot out of it. My one local contact was in therapy a couple months and he sent me a message the day he got out because he found three solid contacts while in treatment. WTF? So, yeah, I dunno, I'll do what I have to do, but I'm not going to be happy when it's the 4th of July and I'm not on the lake.
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Yep, Lorz: quite the story. The thing that you have going for you is that you have only been using for a short time. But the high dose is a bummer. I was on roxies for 8 year and went to a clinic to get clean and I had mixed emotions on what happened. I think that I would tell a person to not go to a rehab place until they found out ever, and I mean everything that they are going to do and what they are going to prescribe. In your situation it seems like it could be helpful. I think that the only problem is that you will be exposed to people who do encourage you to buy from them or keep the habit up!!! Before I went into treatment my barber shared that he was on methadone for legitimate pain problem and his wife was on suboxone (full time) and the worst part is that he wanted to know if I needed any oxies for 15.00 for 15 bucks. That was stupid and it freaked me out, because I get mine for legitimate pain; RX! Honestly, and I don’t know your full situation, but if you can just get some individual therapy; ie coping skills, that’s great? I am not big on NA or AA at all!....I want to skip to Benzo’s, please stay away from them, the best you can, I am in my 50’s and can tell you that they are the most addicting drug out there; pure poison and its like playing Russian roulette with your life. It will take up places in your brain that may never come back; or take years. I have been on valium for 15 years. One of my biggest regrets in my life. Ambien, it’s no joke; look up : ambien addiction withdrawal. I never messed with them. Josh
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you said you're 50 years old,and was taking valium for 15 years ?!
Why is that your biggest regret? what happened ? Explain it to me,cause i am using valium too.
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For starters go to http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/benzo/signatures

scroll down and read the signatures and comments. I have to leave for the rest of the day, if you have anymore questions feel free to let me know? Josh
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Before I started researching opiate addiction I never gave a second thought about the benzos I am prescribed- Xanax and klonipin. I didn't know people abused them- I have always used them for my anxiety and completely trust my doctor. I guess my question is: what is the answer for anxiety disorder??? I've had it most my life and I tried every natural product and went through cognitive therapy to learn coping skills before I would go on prescription meds for it. Nothing else worked. Yeah, at night I can lay in bed and concentrate on my breathing and calm down, but the social anxiety and the anxiety that comes from life events that I can't control- how do I manage that without my benzos??? After what I've read all over the Internet I want off them, but I don't know how to manage my anxiety disorder without them.
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