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Well, I did it again wrote a book and it disappeared in cyber space. It was to you my love SERENITY. This is not about Kratom it is a place where I think a lot of us ended up during acute wd jus trying to find relief we found different ways to help our self and we found each other. Serenity dear I jus said so much to you and alot about my back round that I have never explained it is similar to your experience with Dr's and I will get into it another time. Basically I want to thank you not only for your raw honesty, but the "pain is anger" ........ Anyway, I was wondering the other day was it the governments plan to get synthetic h in every house hold in the US or did they not expect all this......They don't care what is their answer another frikkin harder to get off pill wtf??? But you I get you a lot (also I feel for you) being in so much pain and not wanting to be on addictive pills. I believe in a lot of the things you spoke about. I needed to read this, and hope to hear from you again. You are a strong woman!!! Serenity I hope you can live pain free and never have to wd. I will think of you and hope the best. Love it is like 2am i have to give my mom meds at 4 and wake up at 5:30 I really wish you could have gotten first post cause I started over an hour ago and it was ya know my initial page long response and now need sleep tom so crazy. Serenity you are beautiful!!! Thank you XXXOOO I will prob write back to you when I get time tom either way. Serenity I love that word. Goodnight sweetheart.
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So giving you all a face now. It is a bad pic from one year ago when I was I know I told ya'll bout the snake charming. Here I am. Ill give a recent better pic soon. I think idk i don't need to hide.

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thanks for you support, not really the advice i or elaine wanted to hear.. would be ideal if there was a majic withdraw pill.
on further reading i think were gonna try the route of niacin, vit c, 5 htp, melatonin, the best paleo based diet , excluding the meat to start with as elaines veggy.. and im gonna try to get her to excercise , yoga n tai chi we do , she hasnt been doing it every day since we started last november . i nearly have.. so i know the results, mental and phtsical.. tai chi is very good. ive gone from 70 to 65 kg in 2 months.. will keep trying to post after the delivery of natural supplements arrive. not sure where you US get there bits from , but this site has loads of good info..

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No magic pill. She may not feel up to that yet even though it would/could help. You are def doing the right thing!!! I used subs to wean dwn. KRATOM!!
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Also ask her what is she feeling now??????
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I'm sure it was not what you wanted to hear. I need to know her symptoms today now, as they could vary.......And I can try and give my personal advice on what seems to work...I would def suggest tai chi/yoga, but I would not push her. I'm sorry with such little info I don't know what really besides be positive.
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after 1.5hrs of sleep and lots of sweats , she was very angrey last night she got out of bed at 9 , cup o tea , then we talked about tai chi , but she said she couldn't even keep her mind still enough to hold the pose. a bout 500 mg of pure thc, on a lump of dark chocolate. she had a juice at 9.30. about half a pint . carrot bett apple wheatgrass,chard .she took the dogs for a walk over the Fields for an hour . i stayed did tai chi.. she felt good when she got back although had to push herself , cold winds bla bla..
then we did musli, kiwi , yogart, manuka 10+ honey chia seeds , nuts fruit cacao nibs the works ..
now shes achy cold tired . back pain 5/10 pain rating , so thats really good in my book..
oh she 46 btw.. maybe ill read up on kratom..

the site was anient purity i tried to post , bloke called clive de carle .. good info on all vits mins and supliments
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Thanks sweet lady for taking the time to reply, sorry you keep losing your "BOOKS" ;-) I could seriously write a book!IM SURE YOU ARE TIRED....I didnt sleep much last night and Im feeling pretty sleepy.......the Sun is shining so Beautiful and Bright and Im happy for a New Day...I got up early made my teenage Daughters some Blueberry Muffins.... BUT....I think I will crawl into my nice warm bed with my most Amazing God given gifts (my dogs) wrap myself in my down comforter and give myself some Reiki and take a quick power nap.....I hope your Mom is doing well and you are also taking care of YOU...I think sometimes us "WOMEN" are ingrained with beliefs from others as we grow up........that we have to be everyones everything and we forget about US.....I do believe though WE are WOUNDED HEALER'S.....I believe we have walked the walk we have to offer,Encouragement,Compassion,Kindness,Love,Healing and the most important of all EMPATHY....for if YOUVE NEVER WALKED THROUGH THE HELL OF WITHDRAWING FROM OPIATES AND SUCCEED TO SEE THE LIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND CLAIM VICTORY OVER YOUR LIFE.....THEN YOU COULD NEVER WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND IT!!!! And for those of you on here who are walking that walk let me just give you a little advice....FORGIVE YOURSELF what is done is done....what happened a year ago or a month ago or even 2 minutes ago is gone....it IS JUST a MEMORY and can NEVER EVER HURT YOU AGAIN....OUR MIND or EGO will try and keep us trapped in a HELL of sorts living out and replaying over and over and over what a failure you are and how you hurt so many people and the depths that you stooped to, to make sure you didnt get sick or got a fix....it IS ALL JUST A MEMORY....and honestly we are way BIGGER way more POWERFUL than we give ourselves credit for...IT REALLY IS JUST A MIND GAME....The physical stuff is rough for the first few days BUT the PSYCHOLOGICAL STUFF is the thing that will try and BREAK YOU......so many people have made it to the other side to see the light of day and NOT WITHOUT FALLING I PROMISE YOU...But we beat ourselves up over falling and JUST KNOW ITS OK to FALL.....Its OK....just get back up and start again.....WE ARE PURE POSITIVE ENERGY AND TO YOU ALL MY FRIENDS YOU REALLY ARE NOT BROKEN.....YOU MATTER MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.....and I BELIEVE that the ones who struggle and suffer THE MOST are the ONES WHO HAVE THE BRIGHTEST LIGHT INSIDE OF THEM it just has layers and layers that need to be peeled away. What is happening now and a lot of people are unaware is "The Shift" I was talking about...The Mayans said it was the end of the world,Christians say Jesus is coming but 2012 and 2013 a shift has been taking place...we are BEING FORCED to DEAL WITH LAYERS AND LAYERS OF TRAUMA,HEARTACHE,ABUSE,AND ALL OF THE STUFF WEVE STUFFED FOR SO MANY YEARS IS COMING TO THE SURFACE...all of the stuff we didnt want to look at or deal with we are NOW being forced to deal with and I PROMISE ALL OF YOU we will be REWARDED in the end.....JUST BELIEVE IN YOURSELF....its hard to look at the stuff(hence why we self medicated) thats the hard part of not having Opiates to numb you ( YOU ARE FEELING AGAIN) and holy c**p its scary!!!!BUT we all can do it...YOU CAN DO IT and YOU NEVER KNOW HOW MANY LIVES YOU WILL SAVE BY SHARING YOUR STORY AND BEING OF INSPIRATION AND HOPE when someone is alone and feels like there is NO HOPE!PHEW...Im rambling again....Im going to go take that Power Nap and while doing Reiki will definately send some Positive Energy to all of you...JUST KNOW YOU MATTER AND YOU WILL BE OK!!!Much Love and Blessings, Serenity
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Yeah, we have been working on getting that ban reversed, but no luck yet.
Yes, some people do not understand how deep an addiction can go, it is not just a chemical dependence, but physical and mental too. I have heard some people do not have such a hard time, but I was not one of them!
But you are in the right frame of mind, learning to live without them is the key, you have to change your outlook, do things that keep you occupied, get away from the old haunts and drug seeking behavior/friends who still use. It is a hard row to plow, but it can be done!
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Hey Purrpill! Sorry to hear about your mom, shoulder issues are the worst, they take a bit of time to heal and really hurt! (have had two operations on mine)
You are doing great! I am so glad you are able to be in a position to help your mom now! Just make sure the doctors are aware of her heart condition, and be sure to remind them on the day of the procedure, the anesthesiologist as well and it will be okay.
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Hang in there with her!, I can tell you having someone to help you go thru this, makes a big difference!
It sucks, but I do not know of a way to not go thru WD's, there are lots of things that can help with the symptoms (as well as talking to a doctor) but we still have that price to pay....as far as Kratom goes, it really does help, it will stop most of the WD's in its tracks, but not all, for me it made the difference between success or failure.
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Well said Serenity, well said.
Peace and love right back at you!
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It may seem like we are preaching about K, but it really helped us. Purrpill is right, we all ended up here desperate for help and relief of WDs.
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ryan.....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE listen to this song BOTH of YOU! It gave me so much hope when I didnt think I could go on.

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Ive also sent lots of love and light to you both...Just hold on....and let her know WE ALL BELIEVE IN HER AND YOU!

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For those of you up in the North East stay safe from this storm, I hope you can just enjoy the snow and not have to deal with anything bad!
Purrpill bundle up!
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