How I got off of suboxone after 8 years of Use and many failed attempts.

By the way diabeteics do not or did not have a choice to have insulin, they have to in order to life and survive, they got diabates with no fault of their own. Plus diabetics meds keep you alive and dont mess your brain chemistry or put you in a fog. You cant compare the 2 dude..Your ruining your life for however long you got left on this Earth.

Wow. Some of these posts are depressing and I really hope and pray we can all overcome the depression and negativity the suboxone, meth, opiates created. To my man who started the thread. You will get to know yourself. Give it time, faith, and belief. You went through what you did, because you had to to get here today. To help others, and yourself. For those of you who don't believe in a higher power, call that higher power what you want, I couldn't disagree with you more. There is one, and we are put through all kinds of tests in life to build the person we must become, no matter how messed up or incomprehensible it may seem at the present moment. To those who argue that suboxone or meth is a lifelong solution I disagree. It dopes you up to the point where your sex life sucks and you're operating at 75%, at best of what you were in your prime, for most. To say that there are studies that people are dealing with depression 10 years later due to suboxone??? You sure about that. The stuff was approved ten years ago for use and really didn't blow up until the last 4 or 5 years. In Mass. you could hardly find a doctor to prescribe it until 3 years ago. My main point is: There is hope. WE all must endure TIME, BELIEF, AND SUFFERING. So Suffer WELL. Find a program that works for you and stick with it. Don't let the depression win. We are all coming off of years of getting high. It would be foolish to not expect any lows, or consequences from our actions. However, the body, with help from a higher power, a strong support group, and a strong belief and determination to better yourself will prevail. I'm not 100% yet, but I'm getting there, and stopping the suboxone 6 days ago might have been the best decision I ever made. Good luck to everyone trying to get better.

 

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Wow I have been all over the web for about a mth and this is the most misinformed and just awful advice. I have been on subs for almost three yrs. I jumped off at 8mg 27 days ago. Not because I had to, but because I have the mindset to do it. (I still have 22 strips I haven't touched) I have been so mad at myself for getting on them in the first place. I had been clean for 5 yrs before I started subs. Was put on 24mg a day JUST for cravings. I can tell you it is not easy. But it is nothing coming off of methadone. I spent two yrs on methadone at 200mg a day. I quite that cold and was sober for yrs.Thats when I started craving and the dr suggested subs.  I'm mad I was lied two. Told it's not addicting and all the other lies the dr tell you to keep coming back. I can tell you there are people out there that are long term users of subs and they got off. I know two. Don't let anyone tell you you can't make it. Everyone is different and I know some ppl who prob should be on subs or meth for life. But only because they will die quickly from their addiction. But there are also ppl out there that can do it. Put your mind to it, be in control. I'm on day 27 and have used nothing to help ease any of this. (that part not by choice) Methadone is a horrible drug to come off of. It took me over a yr just to feel normal again, but subs are just plain evil and should only be used short term and then weaned off. Unless you can accept a life always on meth or subs, because you know shortly you will be dead from your lifestyle.  Just my opinion, everyone has one. ;-) 

You wasted your time and effort with that taper. It does not work, it only makes a different in the start of withdrawals. Higher the does the later the WDs start. Look you are still suffering badly even wih that taper, look how you wasted your effort and time? am not saying your stupid and weird but everybody knows by now whether you taper or you do not taper the sub does damage you to the extent of PAWS for several tears. The crippling depression is the worsrt U guarantee you.

Oh my God I kind of feel sad for you. You did a taper and yet your banging on about depression. So much for a good taper hey? a taper only works if you stay on 0.2 for 6 months and then 0.1 for 3 months. Not many people can do that. Any other taper besides that you might as well as go cold turkey. Trust me.

You got so many thumbs down that proves your method is a complete misinformation.

You do not know what you are talking about or doing.

Am sorry but you are a complete m***n. The doses you speak of are much stronger then 8mg of subs.

I know it's mean but I cannot stop smiling and laughing at your thumbs down and taper, and the end result of your crying LOL! am sorry but am human too.

For all you wanna be doctors out there saying tapering doesnt make a difference and 0.2 mg and then 0.1 thats a bunch of malargie. Everybodys different and has there own opinions and beliefs. Ive been on subs for 5 years now clean and know 10 people plus me who have quit and the PAWS that some talk about ruining peoples lives is CRAZY. Yes theres gonna be crappy times but let me say that a s h i t t y day being clean and sober is a whole lot better than a great day on suboxone. For all quitting subs dont let this c**p put all these negative thoughts in your mind and set you up for failure. Good luck and god bless.

Best advice having been through Sub hell for months after taking it for only a month...don't even start. It is not a miracle drug. You are not "clean" while you are on it. You are simply extending the addiction. The reality is that you are going to have to deal with the damage you have done to your receptors for years. Subuxone is just a phony veil. As they say, you are gonna pay either now or later. For the life of me, who would want to "think" they have their life together and then have to go through 2,3 maybe 6 months of Sub withdrawals once you have a new job, new relationship etc. Do yourself a favor and go to a few AA or NA meetings where you can talk to people who are truly clean off suboxone. Some of the posts online are just too much BS. A real person will tell you exactly what the torture is like. People have issues coming off 1mg. Sounds like fun huh? I am telling you the hard truth. If you really want to get clean avoid this NASTY DRUG at all cost. It makes traditional opiate detox seem like a weekend at Disney. If you truly have the willpower, give yourself TIME. You really will not feel even somewhat normal until day 30 + and the breakthrough is not gradual. I remember I was on day 33 or something and literally losing my mind. I did not sleep for 3+ weeks. One night around day 34 I slept and I was like Holy F*&K. It literally lifted. Prior to that walking the dog was like asking me to move a refrigerator around the block. The sweats slowly subside as your body start to be able to control temp and slowly but surely you will find you can actually concentrate on something. For first two weeks, I would stare at computer and could not write a 2 or 3 sentence email and I have a very successful business for over 14 years. To say Sub WD is paralyzing is an understatement. You do not want to do anything and it's a vicious circle. Doing nothing just exacerbates the issue and you start to go mad. Trust me. I had every possible support mechanism available to me and I barely made it through. I will say this. Once you do see the light it is 1000000X better than ANY day on opiates or subox. You laugh. You engage with people. You really appreciate how those drugs deadened you for so long. Then one benefit of such a horrible experience is that if you can stay clean off subs...and I mean REALLY clean...then you will probably never go back...it is THAT BAD. Good luck guys!

This post takes the cake. I hope you print it out and keep it in your wallet when the time comes to get off. Eventually you will run into a doctor or medical condition that will not allow you to continue the easy way out. Suboxene is NOT intended for lifelong use. Enjoy the quacks currently prescribing for you for when it comes time to pay, you are in for one massive life changing event. I promise.

Secondly..

- Please do not compare yourself to a diabetic who is dealing with a serious health / genetic issue. Taking insulin does not make you high or reduce pain. In all cases (except extreme diet issues) diabetes in not by choice. You (as did I) chose to take pills to drown own whatever issues you had and most likely still continue to have. Im clean but will always be a junkie. Admit it, you are a junkie. A diabetic is 100 levels above us in terms of what they go through and dealing with mortality that is NOT BY CHOICE.

- I walked my dog an hour a day when i was in the middle of the worst suboxene withdrawal of my life. I would not consider that to be any great accomplishment. Also short of living in the middle of new your city, i take the not owning a car as a great accomplishment in getting your life together on meth and subs?

The good news for you is that Sub is a great painkiller so keep popping them. It is also a mood killer, a laugh killer, an emotion killer and so on and so on. I wish you well but the majority of people here need real advice. Not how stay a junkie for life.

This is one of the worst threads I have ever read.  So much discouraging, false information about how impossible it is to recover from sub use, and PAWS lasting the rest of your life, permanent damage...pure c**p.  Suboxone/Subutex have an extended activity in the body and have an extended withdrawal phase.  That's it.  It doesn't last forever unless you sit around thinking about how crappy you feel or thinking about how much damage you've done to yourself.  All this mental garbage is what causes the depression and long-lasting misery, not the absence of a drug.

If you want to get clean...get clean!  Stay clean and STOP thinking about drugs all together.  Stop thinking about how bad you feel from withdrawals; no more harping on the "damage" its done to you; enough counting the days or wondering when you're ever going to be "normal" again.  Just leave the sh*t behind you in the past.  Most of what people call PAWS, that they blame on withdrawal, is actually their own poverty-stricken thoughts that continue to bring them down long after they have recovered from drug use.  If you sit around wondering how long you are going to feel like c**p and how fu#ked up you have become, then the chances are that you are going to continue to feel like trash for a long time, then call it PAWS like a drug somehow still causing you harm.  That's all hogwash.  You can get clean if you want to, fully recover in a very reasonable timeframe, and live a perfectly "normal" and satisfying life without years of suffering.  Sub is bad for long-term use, but not THAT bad!  Geez, just get clean if you want to and stop thinking about it like a normal person.

Oh dear I have one hell of a battle ahead of me .... jumped at 10mg of subutex day 8 still sick as hell

This whole threat is a joke.Permanent brain damage?Withdrawals for 5 months?  Maybe PAWs, but get over it--there are things you can do to remedy it big time!It sounds like you guys have bigger issues than drug dependence.

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John, that is a fantastic testimonial that I hope everyone gets a chance to read. I appreciate the fact that you put it all out there. I am an addict and come from a family of addicts. My dad died of alcoholism and my brother's story was similar to yours except for the fact that when he it rock bottom he chose to shoot himself. I miss him every day.

I was on the fentenyl patch for over a year as an alternative to pills. Another doctor convinced me that my doctor clearly didn't have my best interests at heart if he was willing to put me on a medication that is considered an "end of life" drug for hospice and cancer care. Hell, I didn't know the difference. As long as my pain was controlled and I wasn't trying to get a prescription filled for Vicodin I was doing ok. So now I've been on Suboxone for 10 days and I'm afraid I will get hooked on it, too. If I stop taking it now will I have WDs?