I go back to the doctor Weds. Hopefully my right cast can come off and I'll get to wear a boot instead. The left foot is much better after the pins were removed last week. If I am up and around (in my wheelchair of course), they tend to swell (both feet), so I've had a few nights of icing them. I've been taking two Aleve a day in addition to my pain meds. I've been able to cut back tremendously on the pain meds this past week, and hoping to only have to take them at night to get comfortable if needed. But went from 6 a day to 3 a day now. I must be healing. I'm sure I'll have more xrays done. I always have the doctor show me and explain what's what. I love detail. Anyway, I'm glad to hear of the healing some are going through and I welcome those who have had the unfortunate injury and have now joined us.
It will be 6 weeks for me on Weds. I'm hoping to get to get on crutches some and out of this wheelchair. I am managing to get around enough though myself to manuever myself onto the toilet when I need to pee!! It's better than this bedside bathroom chair I had to use for so long.
You are all in my prayers!! God Speed on your healing!!
It will be 6 weeks for me on Weds. I'm hoping to get to get on crutches some and out of this wheelchair. I am managing to get around enough though myself to manuever myself onto the toilet when I need to pee!! It's better than this bedside bathroom chair I had to use for so long.
You are all in my prayers!! God Speed on your healing!!
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Lots of updates since I was on the last time, fantastic! I really appreciate the sharing of experiences and info here.
newfootneeded, 'welcome!' What an appropriate username you chose. I feel for you with your job. I'm a store manager and my company's attitude is that you just don't miss work, period. I've been off work since Sept 6, which was the date of my injury and emergency surgery and I don't have a clear picture as to when I'll be returning, if ever. I was working about 70 hrs per wk, mostly on my feet. I'm not sure that I can see myself being able to handle that again, muchless on the company's timeframe. Anyway, my best to you!
Kelly, as always you are a font of knowledge. I appreciate the interesting things that you share with us! Please keep us informed about the new product.
I've seen it asked before but I'm seeking info on having screws removed vs. leaving them in. . My doctor seems pretty intent on leaving mine in, I'm doing well with my weight bearing but still have a lot of pain in my midfoot and still require pain meds. I'm so glad to be taking steps but find that I'm swelling worse than ever, even above my knee if I over do it.
thelicguitarist, I'll be thinking of you on 12/6, keep on dancin'! :D
There are more posts that I'd like to respond to but I'll save it for another day as this one is getting long.
As always, hang in there everyone and for those celebrating Thanksgiving, have a wonderful holiday!
~Chris
newfootneeded, 'welcome!' What an appropriate username you chose. I feel for you with your job. I'm a store manager and my company's attitude is that you just don't miss work, period. I've been off work since Sept 6, which was the date of my injury and emergency surgery and I don't have a clear picture as to when I'll be returning, if ever. I was working about 70 hrs per wk, mostly on my feet. I'm not sure that I can see myself being able to handle that again, muchless on the company's timeframe. Anyway, my best to you!
Kelly, as always you are a font of knowledge. I appreciate the interesting things that you share with us! Please keep us informed about the new product.
I've seen it asked before but I'm seeking info on having screws removed vs. leaving them in. . My doctor seems pretty intent on leaving mine in, I'm doing well with my weight bearing but still have a lot of pain in my midfoot and still require pain meds. I'm so glad to be taking steps but find that I'm swelling worse than ever, even above my knee if I over do it.
thelicguitarist, I'll be thinking of you on 12/6, keep on dancin'! :D
There are more posts that I'd like to respond to but I'll save it for another day as this one is getting long.
As always, hang in there everyone and for those celebrating Thanksgiving, have a wonderful holiday!
~Chris
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This is what my doctor told me about the screws. He said the thing he wanted to do is leave them in for 6 months then take them out...so in my case it would be early to mid summer. The reason he wants to leave them in is to make sure that my joints are together and he said there's a possibility they could separate slightly if they weren't held together long enough. He also said that leaving them in increases the chance of the screws breaking, in which case the broken half without the head would remain in your foot forever. Also, you're going to lose some mobility in your foot if the screws are left in. So basically my doctor says wait a while, then take out the screws and hope none of them break. I hope this helps, I know it helped me when he told me this.
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To ..... thelicguitarist
Just read you post, thought I would share, I just scheduled my screw removal surgery, it's set for 12/8. Last week I hit the 6 months post surg date, so I think I'm ready, although a little bit nervous about having my foot cut again. ( do I really want to know how they take theses screws out? NO )
I'll post again after my surgery.... if you want details!
Take care,
SH
Just read you post, thought I would share, I just scheduled my screw removal surgery, it's set for 12/8. Last week I hit the 6 months post surg date, so I think I'm ready, although a little bit nervous about having my foot cut again. ( do I really want to know how they take theses screws out? NO )
I'll post again after my surgery.... if you want details!
Take care,
SH
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After finding a few examples (some discussed earlier in this thread), I got a bit obsessive about tracking down stories about different football players who have had lisfranc injuries. I found 15 so far, and posted a blog entry with links at <http://lisfrancnews.blogspot.com/> (I added some links to other items of potential interest there as well; I doubt I'll update the page much but it was a free/easy way to collect the links).
Here are all of the names. The links to the accompanying articles don't stick with the text when I paste it in on this site, but anyone interested to reach the articles via the site above.
2006:
Giants defensive ends Justin Tuck and Michael Strahan
Packers wide receiver Robert Ferguson
Bears safety Mike Brown
U. Washington quarterback Isaiah Stanback
2005:
Eagles tight end Chad Lewis (article here mention Lewis and several others below)
Eagles running back Brian Westbrook
Lions linebacker Teddy Lehman (and here ["That injury, I think 50% of the people that get it don't play anymore...."])
U. Wisconsin guard Randy Gyllin
2004:
Vikings tackle Mike Rosenthal [interesting rehab case study here]
Patriots cornerback Ty Law
2003:
Eagles safety Brian Dawkins
LSU quarterback Matt Mauck ("The rehab process was slow, arduous and painful. Self-doubt about his future crept in as Mauck did every rehab drill imaginable....")
2001:
Eagles running back Duce Staley
2000:
Browns running back Errict Rhett (career ending)
1990:
Giants quarterback Phil Simms
Here are all of the names. The links to the accompanying articles don't stick with the text when I paste it in on this site, but anyone interested to reach the articles via the site above.
2006:
Giants defensive ends Justin Tuck and Michael Strahan
Packers wide receiver Robert Ferguson
Bears safety Mike Brown
U. Washington quarterback Isaiah Stanback
2005:
Eagles tight end Chad Lewis (article here mention Lewis and several others below)
Eagles running back Brian Westbrook
Lions linebacker Teddy Lehman (and here ["That injury, I think 50% of the people that get it don't play anymore...."])
U. Wisconsin guard Randy Gyllin
2004:
Vikings tackle Mike Rosenthal [interesting rehab case study here]
Patriots cornerback Ty Law
2003:
Eagles safety Brian Dawkins
LSU quarterback Matt Mauck ("The rehab process was slow, arduous and painful. Self-doubt about his future crept in as Mauck did every rehab drill imaginable....")
2001:
Eagles running back Duce Staley
2000:
Browns running back Errict Rhett (career ending)
1990:
Giants quarterback Phil Simms
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SKH
Please do keep us updated on the screws removal. I am very keen to know as I am now 11 weeks post op and partial weight bearing with 2 crutches. I will be visiting my doctor again next week (12 weeks post op).
I also look forward to those who have recovered from this long suffering and share their stories.
Thanks.
Sporelady
Please do keep us updated on the screws removal. I am very keen to know as I am now 11 weeks post op and partial weight bearing with 2 crutches. I will be visiting my doctor again next week (12 weeks post op).
I also look forward to those who have recovered from this long suffering and share their stories.
Thanks.
Sporelady
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Hey all. I had a lisfranc repaired at the end of July (one screw, removed in Sept.), and have been healing pretty well. My foot feels fine - I can run on it, etc., though it still hurts a bit afterwards. Unfortunately, I've been complaining about ankle pain when I flex my ankle all the way on the injured foot for more than 2 mos., and the doctor said it was ok, I was just "compensating" for the foot injury. FINALLY, he agreed to let me have an MRI as a "favor to let me sleep better." Well, that revealed a peroneus brevis split tear - a tendon injury. I don't know how bad, because the doctor can't see me for another week. I'm told these things don't heal well on their own, and in active patients/athletes, require surgery. Has anyone had any experience with this injury ? To be on the safe side, if you guys have ankle pain for months AFTER your lisfranc surgery, get an MRI asap even if your doctor is resistant to the idea. Had I forced the issue a couple of months ago, I wouldn't be looking at another period on crutches, a boot, therapy, etc.
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As I am reading the many posts on this forum, I realize that I didn't suffer from fractures like most of you did. But I do have a dislocation (partial ligament tear). Anyways, I had some questions to ask before I have my ORIF sugery on December 15th.
What is the difference between using wires, pins and screws? My doctor told me that he was going to use 2-3 screws.
How did you care for your foot after the surgery and while in a hard cast? (EG: Applying ice, washing the foot, etc.) I know for sure I will need a shower chair and a bath bar to hold onto.
Incisions: How many did you receive?
Was your procedure inpatient or outpatient?
How many medications were you on from 1st surgery until present day?
After screws, pins, wires taken out, how long was your rehab period?
I need to get my wisdom tooth taken out and want to be sedated for that procedure. I was planning on doing this soon after I got my screws taken out after 2 months. Is this a good idea?
What is the difference between using wires, pins and screws? My doctor told me that he was going to use 2-3 screws.
How did you care for your foot after the surgery and while in a hard cast? (EG: Applying ice, washing the foot, etc.) I know for sure I will need a shower chair and a bath bar to hold onto.
Incisions: How many did you receive?
Was your procedure inpatient or outpatient?
How many medications were you on from 1st surgery until present day?
After screws, pins, wires taken out, how long was your rehab period?
I need to get my wisdom tooth taken out and want to be sedated for that procedure. I was planning on doing this soon after I got my screws taken out after 2 months. Is this a good idea?
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I was very delighted when my doctor informed me on my 12th week post operation (that was on 28th Nov 06) that my fracture has healed after examing the x-ray taken.
Now I am allowed to put my foot down (full weight bearing but still need to make use of the 2 crtuches). I will be going for my Physio Therapy starting next week to strengthen my muscles and to see the doctor again in 4 week's time. FYI, I am on medical leave till end of this year and hopefully start the the New Year 2007 walking as normal.
It was definitely a long journey. It does takes time for fractures to heal.
For those newbies who just had their operation, do remember to drink lots of milk/soya drink during this period but don't forget to drink lots of water if you are taking calcium supplements to prevent having kidney stones. Also remember to rest your foot.
Take care and wish everyone a speedy recovery.
Now I am allowed to put my foot down (full weight bearing but still need to make use of the 2 crtuches). I will be going for my Physio Therapy starting next week to strengthen my muscles and to see the doctor again in 4 week's time. FYI, I am on medical leave till end of this year and hopefully start the the New Year 2007 walking as normal.
It was definitely a long journey. It does takes time for fractures to heal.
For those newbies who just had their operation, do remember to drink lots of milk/soya drink during this period but don't forget to drink lots of water if you are taking calcium supplements to prevent having kidney stones. Also remember to rest your foot.
Take care and wish everyone a speedy recovery.
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Glad I found this site!!
I rounded 2nd base in a dead sprint to 3rd when I heard a pop in my foot. ER doc told me it was a sprain and sent me to Ortho. Finally saw the Ortho doc 1 week post injury. They took additional x-rays and wrote injury off as a muscle tear. 2 weeks post injury I still had pain so they did a CT scan and found out I tore my lisfranc ligament from the bone (with several small flecks). They did not recommend surgery because the bones were “minimally” displaced. Best part is I got married in the middle of all this - crutches, cast, and all. 7 weeks post injury I had my cast removed. Got a second opinion and the Ortho doc did not recommend surgery because of the minimal displacement. I could finally walk 12 weeks post injury.
Now its 16 weeks post injury. I can walk, but I still have lots of aching in my foot. If I move my foot in a circle I can feel stuff grinding around My toes rub together because my big toe seems to have moved closer to my 2nd toe. 2 docs told me I don't need surgery, but neither did a weigh bearing x-ray.
I'm debating whether I should pursue surgery. Any advice? I'm 29 and very active. Life long injury would devastate me.
Please help! I have some cool CT scans and x-rays I can share.
I rounded 2nd base in a dead sprint to 3rd when I heard a pop in my foot. ER doc told me it was a sprain and sent me to Ortho. Finally saw the Ortho doc 1 week post injury. They took additional x-rays and wrote injury off as a muscle tear. 2 weeks post injury I still had pain so they did a CT scan and found out I tore my lisfranc ligament from the bone (with several small flecks). They did not recommend surgery because the bones were “minimally” displaced. Best part is I got married in the middle of all this - crutches, cast, and all. 7 weeks post injury I had my cast removed. Got a second opinion and the Ortho doc did not recommend surgery because of the minimal displacement. I could finally walk 12 weeks post injury.
Now its 16 weeks post injury. I can walk, but I still have lots of aching in my foot. If I move my foot in a circle I can feel stuff grinding around My toes rub together because my big toe seems to have moved closer to my 2nd toe. 2 docs told me I don't need surgery, but neither did a weigh bearing x-ray.
I'm debating whether I should pursue surgery. Any advice? I'm 29 and very active. Life long injury would devastate me.
Please help! I have some cool CT scans and x-rays I can share.
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Okay, I saw another commercial (promoting foot orthotics) by the same couple I was talking about before and their names are Hal Johnson and Joanne McLeod.
I did some research online and here's the home page for Bodybreak:
http://www.bodybreak.com/B05.html
The jury is still out about how they work but I'm leaning more positive than negative - my son has had asthma lately so I've been busy trying to deal with that.
Having this injury really tries one's patience, so be patient and keep your foot up.
Cheers, Kelly
I did some research online and here's the home page for Bodybreak:
http://www.bodybreak.com/B05.html
The jury is still out about how they work but I'm leaning more positive than negative - my son has had asthma lately so I've been busy trying to deal with that.
Having this injury really tries one's patience, so be patient and keep your foot up.
Cheers, Kelly
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Hello cooleywg,
I would really recommend having the weight bearing X-Rays. I'm puzzled why the Dr. is saying you do not need surgery. Did you fracture your foot, if not, maybe this is why.
When I had my first X-ray, the Dr. told me with this type of injury, Lisfranc, most of the time surgery is done. I had also a MRI & weight bearing X-rays.
If all allows, I would recommend you get another opinion. Good luck.
I would really recommend having the weight bearing X-Rays. I'm puzzled why the Dr. is saying you do not need surgery. Did you fracture your foot, if not, maybe this is why.
When I had my first X-ray, the Dr. told me with this type of injury, Lisfranc, most of the time surgery is done. I had also a MRI & weight bearing X-rays.
If all allows, I would recommend you get another opinion. Good luck.
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Wow, so many people with the same type of injury! I'm gla dI'm not alone.
Its amazing how the doctors advice and 'stratedgy' changes from person to person. I suffered a LIsFranc Fracture and dislocation of 2 toes on Saturday Sept 30th, while playing paintball. --Instead of losing a battle with another person, I lost a battle with the Arizona Desert. Go figure. From what it seems not many people ge this fracture while playing a sport.. then again, how many lose a fight with the desert to avoid falling in to a small wash?
When I went to the ER shortly after this happened, they did weight and non-weight bearing xrays and a MRI. They sent me to a speaclist that following monday. That Thursday, the doc operated and only needed to use 1 screw to hold the bone together, and 3 staples to help hold everything else in place. I have been through the gauze/ace bandage casts and the fiberglass type casts. Last month I was placed in the storm-trooper type walking boot. However, I was advised to still not place any weight on my foot. The doctor advised that I should keep weight off, because of the risk of bending or breaking the screw. Last week the doc finally said I could probably stand to put a little weight on my foot (so long as its in the boot), but still not my full body weight, nor could I walk on it with or with out the boot.
The surgery to remove the screw and staples is planned for this coming Friday. The doctor is fitting me with a support brace the following thursday and I am told at that point I can attempt to walk and begin physical therapy.
Now I am curious.. for those going through this, or went through it previously... How long did it take to be able to walk normally? How long until you could run or sprint?
I'm a IT Technican by trade, and the only one for the company's branch office. So I am curious how long before I can start carrying equipment again. Also curious on when I can re-join the office bowling team and start playing paintball again. Does anyone else here with this type of fracture take part in any sports?
Its amazing how the doctors advice and 'stratedgy' changes from person to person. I suffered a LIsFranc Fracture and dislocation of 2 toes on Saturday Sept 30th, while playing paintball. --Instead of losing a battle with another person, I lost a battle with the Arizona Desert. Go figure. From what it seems not many people ge this fracture while playing a sport.. then again, how many lose a fight with the desert to avoid falling in to a small wash?
When I went to the ER shortly after this happened, they did weight and non-weight bearing xrays and a MRI. They sent me to a speaclist that following monday. That Thursday, the doc operated and only needed to use 1 screw to hold the bone together, and 3 staples to help hold everything else in place. I have been through the gauze/ace bandage casts and the fiberglass type casts. Last month I was placed in the storm-trooper type walking boot. However, I was advised to still not place any weight on my foot. The doctor advised that I should keep weight off, because of the risk of bending or breaking the screw. Last week the doc finally said I could probably stand to put a little weight on my foot (so long as its in the boot), but still not my full body weight, nor could I walk on it with or with out the boot.
The surgery to remove the screw and staples is planned for this coming Friday. The doctor is fitting me with a support brace the following thursday and I am told at that point I can attempt to walk and begin physical therapy.
Now I am curious.. for those going through this, or went through it previously... How long did it take to be able to walk normally? How long until you could run or sprint?
I'm a IT Technican by trade, and the only one for the company's branch office. So I am curious how long before I can start carrying equipment again. Also curious on when I can re-join the office bowling team and start playing paintball again. Does anyone else here with this type of fracture take part in any sports?
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Wow, so many people with the same type of injury! I'm gla dI'm not alone.
Its amazing how the doctors advice and 'stratedgy' changes from person to person. I suffered a LIsFranc Fracture and dislocation of 2 toes on Saturday Sept 30th, while playing paintball. --Instead of losing a battle with another person, I lost a battle with the Arizona Desert. Go figure. From what it seems not many people ge this fracture while playing a sport.. then again, how many lose a fight with the desert to avoid falling in to a small wash?
When I went to the ER shortly after this happened, they did weight and non-weight bearing xrays and a MRI. They sent me to a speaclist that following monday. That Thursday, the doc operated and only needed to use 1 screw to hold the bone together, and 3 staples to help hold everything else in place. I have been through the gauze/ace bandage casts and the fiberglass type casts. Last month I was placed in the storm-trooper type walking boot. However, I was advised to still not place any weight on my foot. The doctor advised that I should keep weight off, because of the risk of bending or breaking the screw. Last week the doc finally said I could probably stand to put a little weight on my foot (so long as its in the boot), but still not my full body weight, nor could I walk on it with or with out the boot.
The surgery to remove the screw and staples is planned for this coming Friday. The doctor is fitting me with a support brace the following thursday and I am told at that point I can attempt to walk and begin physical therapy.
Now I am curious.. for those going through this, or went through it previously... How long did it take to be able to walk normally? How long until you could run or sprint?
I'm a IT Technican by trade, and the only one for the company's branch office. So I am curious how long before I can start carrying equipment again. Also curious on when I can re-join the office bowling team and start playing paintball again.
Its amazing how the doctors advice and 'stratedgy' changes from person to person. I suffered a LIsFranc Fracture and dislocation of 2 toes on Saturday Sept 30th, while playing paintball. --Instead of losing a battle with another person, I lost a battle with the Arizona Desert. Go figure. From what it seems not many people ge this fracture while playing a sport.. then again, how many lose a fight with the desert to avoid falling in to a small wash?
When I went to the ER shortly after this happened, they did weight and non-weight bearing xrays and a MRI. They sent me to a speaclist that following monday. That Thursday, the doc operated and only needed to use 1 screw to hold the bone together, and 3 staples to help hold everything else in place. I have been through the gauze/ace bandage casts and the fiberglass type casts. Last month I was placed in the storm-trooper type walking boot. However, I was advised to still not place any weight on my foot. The doctor advised that I should keep weight off, because of the risk of bending or breaking the screw. Last week the doc finally said I could probably stand to put a little weight on my foot (so long as its in the boot), but still not my full body weight, nor could I walk on it with or with out the boot.
The surgery to remove the screw and staples is planned for this coming Friday. The doctor is fitting me with a support brace the following thursday and I am told at that point I can attempt to walk and begin physical therapy.
Now I am curious.. for those going through this, or went through it previously... How long did it take to be able to walk normally? How long until you could run or sprint?
I'm a IT Technican by trade, and the only one for the company's branch office. So I am curious how long before I can start carrying equipment again. Also curious on when I can re-join the office bowling team and start playing paintball again.
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Hi Cooleywig: I agree with SKH. Get some weight bearing xrays done to ensure there isn't a problem there. This is based on all the reading I have done on this matter. I would have insisted if I'd been able to get a second opinion from a doctor in Canada. I tried everything to get referred to someone else in Canada - okay short of breaking my foot again. Ask for a referral to a podiatritist (someone who specialises in feet).
I've asked this question several times from others on this thread and been told that CT scans are the gold standard but I'm still not convinced. I think every foot is different and things could be different when you add some weight.
I am also active like you and was in a lot of pain for about 3 months. I had a setback when I had major abdominable surgery at 4 months and can still say my foot still hurts. I'm now 9 months post injury and hope that 12 months post injury makes things a lot better. Although the closer I get to the date, the more skeptical I am.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Kelly
I've asked this question several times from others on this thread and been told that CT scans are the gold standard but I'm still not convinced. I think every foot is different and things could be different when you add some weight.
I am also active like you and was in a lot of pain for about 3 months. I had a setback when I had major abdominable surgery at 4 months and can still say my foot still hurts. I'm now 9 months post injury and hope that 12 months post injury makes things a lot better. Although the closer I get to the date, the more skeptical I am.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Kelly
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