well I'm back to say 16 days clean and still going strong. Since I last posted (which seems like an eternity) I've had some real bad sleepless nights. I fall to sleep then wake up 2 hours later unable to sleep at all. It's very frustrating! The irritability has subsided now but I'm still having awful stomach ache, wind and constipation. The eating is going well I'm making sure I eat properly which has helped..
My memory is coming back quickly and i'm loving the fact that I can remember what i did a couple of days ago. My energy levels have increased but my motivation hasn't. I think I need to do some kind of exercise now but finding something I enjoy is the problem. I don't like jogging around just the the hell of it so might try swimming next week.
Give you another update in a few weeks time..
My memory is coming back quickly and i'm loving the fact that I can remember what i did a couple of days ago. My energy levels have increased but my motivation hasn't. I think I need to do some kind of exercise now but finding something I enjoy is the problem. I don't like jogging around just the the hell of it so might try swimming next week.
Give you another update in a few weeks time..
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umm i smoked for about a year or somethign liek that used to smoke not alto then started smoig more then every week i wud smoke liek 4 or 5 times. then one day i made brownies and ate to much by mistake and got soo stoned, that was the worst feeling i thought soo many messed up things and it felt like it lasted forever. anyway ever since then i quit but i started feelin funny always thinkin messed up thoughts about life and the future and lookign at the world from a different angle since then. i uno why i dont like it, sometimes i get such messed up thoughts it scares me, is this anxiety? but anyway iv stoepd doing it for liek 2 months or something, i did it once in thsoe 2 months and i started thikin some messed up sh*t but then i told myself to chill and i was fine but i just stoepd smoking. i uno if my thoughts are cuz of the weed or if im just messed in the head from a different reason but these thoughts started when i was smokin weed more and more soo thats what i think. what should i do? jsut wait it out
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im quitting pot once again. Ive been smokin for about 5 years and have quit at least 4 or 5 times. I kinda feel like Dave Chapell in Half Baked when he tries to quit smoking Although smoking has caused me a lt of grief and wasted time, nevertheless i feel a close bond to it. I lust for weed. I remember when i first started smoking I felt getting high was more important than my girlfriend. Now I associate my smoking habit with a lack of intimacy with those close to me. Its turned me into a depressed, negative, mindless, loner, unable to see the good in my life or this world. I think i was a depresssed kid, and smoking pot for the first year made me very happy. Soon after it became a bad habit and i did it just to get by. I even remember food tasting so awsome wne I first started smoking. I use to love to ear ice cream and cheese cake when I was high. In fact I would eat anything in the house. Now, now well food and everything else that use to be enhanced is more bland than when I first started smoking. Regardless its hard to quit one because of the sucky withdrawls and two because i now have access to the best bud I have ever had, Kush. In fact I think i smell some now, na probably a skunk. Anyways, Im a highschool teacher in the ghetto and im guessing that about fifty percent of my students smoke pot. I feel like a hypocrite telling them to stay off drugs, then i got a joint waiting for me in the car for the ride home. I also feel bad because I blame myself for getting my brother adicted to pot, although it has really helped his graphing design career. I had a dream that I found a bunch of pot lastnight, so vivid. I look forward to seeing what I can accomplish when i get through the withdrawls and sh*t. I just turned 23 last month and i already have a masters degree. I only wonder what I could have accomplished if I was straight edge for the past 5 years. I remember before college, in high school I was extreemly sharp and motivated, now Im dull and hazy in the head. Mostly I want to be happy, and I know that as a stoner, my only hapiness comes right after I light up, shortly after, even when my hich climaxes, im just a robot. So well see what happens,right now everything seems hopeless, but im in persuit of a bright future. I went to Big 5 today and baught some running shoes, went to the gym, ran for about 15 mins (all that I could take) and spend some time in the steam room. I figure it will speed up the process and calm me down. I dont want to have any freak outs, im not gonna do what you all think and freak out man!!! So ok, thanks for all the posts, theyv been a great help.
Your geometry teacher.
Your geometry teacher.
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I VE BEEN SMOKING MARIJUANA SINCE I WAS 10 I AM NOW 25 I STARTED HEAVY AROUND 16 ,TRIALS OF LIFE MADE IT WORSE NOW I FIND DAYS I GO 20 BLUNTS OR BETTER >;) I CANT SPEAK ON OTHERS BUT ME I ADMIT IT NOW ITS PULLING ME DOWN SO I WANT TO STOP.BUT MY OPINION IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU ABUSE OR DO TO MUCH OF WILL PULL YOU DOWN LIFE INCLUED
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Well it's been a month since I last posted and the good news is I haven't smoked any weed!! :-D
I feel much better for not smoking it and only have occasional urge drift into my mind now and again.
My sleeping is back to normal and I'm not having stomach cramps anymore.
The only draw back now is the fact that I get bored easily and become a little depressed on certain days.
All in all its worth stopping as it's saved me loads of money.
I feel much better for not smoking it and only have occasional urge drift into my mind now and again.
My sleeping is back to normal and I'm not having stomach cramps anymore.
The only draw back now is the fact that I get bored easily and become a little depressed on certain days.
All in all its worth stopping as it's saved me loads of money.
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you guys are prob smoking weed that is laced with junk. I live in calif. and I recently got a persciptiong for medical marijuana. and its pretty good i have to say. I feel healthy , but then again I eat healthy and dont focus on neg thoughts in general. Some of the symptoms you are all describling sound like PCP. like being very depressed and excessive sweating, seisures and feeling like you are in the twilight zone, i have had this exprience with bad weed. you all need to be carefull if you are buying this stuff on the street , especially if you live in a large metropolitan area where the stuff tends to be mixed with junk often without ppl knowing it.
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Please remember getting clean is not easy and it takes a strong person to do it.... YOU ARE THAT PERSON! YOU CAN DO IT AND WILL DO IT AND YOU HAVE the POWER to OVERCOME IT!
When we are getting off of drugs it is the hardest thing in the world for some of us since we are all unique and special, and have medicated for different reasons. The reason I used was to escape into my own world and forget about everything but the reality was the problems never went away I did.... Drugs changed me and hurt my life more and more each dose I took but I was so high I could not see the damage until it was done.
When we get off the drugs (and are getting off) we are now exposed to the same life we were running away from and the problems are still waiting so we become overwhelmed and depressed not knowing how to cope with it sober minded, that is when Anxiety starts we want to get on top of the mountain without climbing. However the best way to combat Anxiety is to take everything one moment at a time, then one hour, then one day. Don't worry about tomorrow just live now and make the best out of now. It is hard to change our thinking and habits but we must in order to survive and stay clean. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for all of us "ALL OF US"...... We have actually become stronger people who have gained a life experience and can share that experience with others helping them get through the hard times we have already passed through.
Sometimes Anxiety has physical symtoms that makes use EITHER unable to stay still or not move at all. Each person should look in the mirror when they are going through a panic attack and say "THIS WILL PASS" "I AM OKAY" "I AM LOVED". Also you can sit/lay down close your eyes and picture yourself in the best place ever some place you always wanted to go, try not to think of the past but instead think of the future and see yourself in a better place than today. Think of how fast we pass through life and quick yesterday passed, so this let's us know tommorow is coming and just know it will be better. Don't worry just know it is going to be better even if you can't see how. "WE ALL HAVE PURPOSE IN THIS LIFE". THE BEST OF LUCK TOO ALL.
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Anxiety is a very real thing and sometimes leads to other mental problems if we do not grab a hold of ourselves. I had suffered with anxiety so bad at one time that I could not do anything at all, I lost my job, friends and became suicidal. If it gets to the point that you feel you can not deal with it the best thing to do is get the the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM..... talking to people about your feeling are good too also keeping a diary helps, it helped me.
When we are getting off of drugs it is the hardest thing in the world for some of us since we are all unique and special, and have medicated for different reasons. The reason I used was to escape into my own world and forget about everything but the reality was the problems never went away I did.... Drugs changed me and hurt my life more and more each dose I took but I was so high I could not see the damage until it was done.
When we get off the drugs (and are getting off) we are now exposed to the same life we were running away from and the problems are still waiting so we become overwhelmed and depressed not knowing how to cope with it sober minded, that is when Anxiety starts we want to get on top of the mountain without climbing. However the best way to combat Anxiety is to take everything one moment at a time, then one hour, then one day. Don't worry about tomorrow just live now and make the best out of now. It is hard to change our thinking and habits but we must in order to survive and stay clean. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for all of us "ALL OF US"...... We have actually become stronger people who have gained a life experience and can share that experience with others helping them get through the hard times we have already passed through.
Sometimes Anxiety has physical symtoms that makes use EITHER unable to stay still or not move at all. Each person should look in the mirror when they are going through a panic attack and say "THIS WILL PASS" "I AM OKAY" "I AM LOVED". Also you can sit/lay down close your eyes and picture yourself in the best place ever some place you always wanted to go, try not to think of the past but instead think of the future and see yourself in a better place than today. Think of how fast we pass through life and quick yesterday passed, so this let's us know tommorow is coming and just know it will be better. Don't worry just know it is going to be better even if you can't see how. "WE ALL HAVE PURPOSE IN THIS LIFE". THE BEST OF LUCK TOO ALL.
<<<<<my email>>>>>>
*****
Anxiety is a very real thing and sometimes leads to other mental problems if we do not grab a hold of ourselves. I had suffered with anxiety so bad at one time that I could not do anything at all, I lost my job, friends and became suicidal. If it gets to the point that you feel you can not deal with it the best thing to do is get the the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM..... talking to people about your feeling are good too also keeping a diary helps, it helped me.
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i've been smoking almost every day for 3 years now. (i'm 22 yrs old). the very few times i haven't smoked are when i literally have no options, i.e. out of town. But even then i still managed to find some. It seems like it's everywhere if you have the determination to find it, and i have the motivation to look for it every day. I recently stopped smoking about four weeks ago, with two slip ups. The first one was about two weeks in and the last slip up was a week ago . I thankfully, haven't had too many physical withdrawals. No stomach pain or appetite loss which seems to be common, but i did have a weird symptom. soon after i stopped i have had a few episodes of this feeling of swelling in my neck, almost making it uncomfortable to swallow. It felt like something was pushing on the left side of my throat, and the pain seemed to run up to my left ear. i looked up some info online and it seemed like i had a lot of symptoms of a thyroid disorder. i am just a little freaked out because every site mentions thyroid cancer. not likely but still... i should also mention i stopped smoking cigarettes at the same time.
i was wondering if anyone out there had a similar problem...?
thanks for any feed back, and thanks to everyone for the motivation. it's good to know there's other people out there having just as hard of a time staying off of this "harmless" drug. it's absolutely addictive, if not physically or chemically, it's definitely psychologically addictive. it's not just a drug, it's a lifestyle... and it's been painful giving it all up.
i was wondering if anyone out there had a similar problem...?
thanks for any feed back, and thanks to everyone for the motivation. it's good to know there's other people out there having just as hard of a time staying off of this "harmless" drug. it's absolutely addictive, if not physically or chemically, it's definitely psychologically addictive. it's not just a drug, it's a lifestyle... and it's been painful giving it all up.
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Peace.....Thank you so much.
I am on my second day after 14 years.Hot sweats and insomnia last
night.... renewed clarity this morning. Upon reading your account i feel inspired to continue
and insist that i must
Break The Chain!
THANK YOU
Mr Green Fingers.x
I wonder what you will decide to grow next.....Good Luck!
I am on my second day after 14 years.Hot sweats and insomnia last
night.... renewed clarity this morning. Upon reading your account i feel inspired to continue
and insist that i must
Break The Chain!
THANK YOU
Mr Green Fingers.x
I wonder what you will decide to grow next.....Good Luck!
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I stopped smoking the demon weed recently because I am turning 30 in January. Actually, my dealer went on a 4 month vacation and it became a pain in the ass to find a good reliable pot dealer. Anyway, I smoked everyday, and when I could not grab a bag I would pick my carpet for dropped crumbs...but ! decided to quit!
I believe that I have marijuana anxiety withdrawal with my most severe symptoms being vivid dreams, and dizziness. This withdrawal has many symptoms and I would suggest that if you are feeling funny after you have quit the chronic then google this topic.
On the flip side, I have also noticed gains in my strength and endurance...I am someone who believed that weed did not affect me negatively mentally and physically and I was very wrong about that.
I believe that I have marijuana anxiety withdrawal with my most severe symptoms being vivid dreams, and dizziness. This withdrawal has many symptoms and I would suggest that if you are feeling funny after you have quit the chronic then google this topic.
On the flip side, I have also noticed gains in my strength and endurance...I am someone who believed that weed did not affect me negatively mentally and physically and I was very wrong about that.
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Hi everyone! Well, I'm currently on day 2 of not smoking pot.
I started smoking when I was 20, just once in a while if someone had some.
Around the age of 21 I began dating a girl who was a heavy smoker and I began to smoke every other day. As time went on, our relationship became very strained due to other drug addictions my GF had. I felt like sh*t because I could not help her and smoking pot was the only thing that helped ease my stress.
Eventually we broke up and at the same time I got a great job. This is when I started to smoke every day (good job=money for weed!) For years I rationalized my cannabis use by telling myself that I needed it to cope with stress and anxiety, and I'm not gonna lie, it worked GREAT!
Well, now I'm a few days shy of my 30th birthday and I don't want to smoke anymore. A few days ago I had a mild panic attack at work and this was the turning point for me. I had the panic attack because I was worried about not having any weed at home that day.
Another reason why I have stopped is because My wife and I have been unable to get pregnant (I've read this could be due to the way THC interferes with the way sperm cells work)
Also, THC increases estrogen levels in men and women, which can cause hormone related problems in the body.
So here I am, 2 days into abstinence. My symptoms so far are surprisingly mild.
The MAIN symptom I'm feeling is anxiety. Nothing too bad, but just enough to make me feel on edge.
My appetite is pretty low too, but I just force myself to eat anyway since I know my lack of appetite is totally psychological.
I think the main factor that determines how bad your withdrawals are is:
HOW BAD DO YOU WANT TO STOP
I do believe that the majority of cannabis withdrawal symptoms are psychological. That being said, our mind has an amazing amount of control over the way our body feels. What I'm trying to say is that the psychological symptoms bring on the physical symptoms (at least for me)
Some things you can do to make the withdrawals less intense are:
Eat a good breakfast! This is the meal that sets your blood glucose levels for the day and good glucose levels = a happy body and mind
Exercise, need I say more? The anxiety you feel is caused partly by adrenalin flooding your system (anxiety is a fight or flight response, just like stress) When you exercise, you counteract the adrenalin and thus you feel more relaxed.
Well, thats it for now, I'll post back in a few days for an update.
Remember, cannabis is probably the easiest addictive substance to quit.
Stick with it and you'll do it. STICK WITH IT. STICK WITH IT.
YOU CAN DO IT.
I started smoking when I was 20, just once in a while if someone had some.
Around the age of 21 I began dating a girl who was a heavy smoker and I began to smoke every other day. As time went on, our relationship became very strained due to other drug addictions my GF had. I felt like sh*t because I could not help her and smoking pot was the only thing that helped ease my stress.
Eventually we broke up and at the same time I got a great job. This is when I started to smoke every day (good job=money for weed!) For years I rationalized my cannabis use by telling myself that I needed it to cope with stress and anxiety, and I'm not gonna lie, it worked GREAT!
Well, now I'm a few days shy of my 30th birthday and I don't want to smoke anymore. A few days ago I had a mild panic attack at work and this was the turning point for me. I had the panic attack because I was worried about not having any weed at home that day.
Another reason why I have stopped is because My wife and I have been unable to get pregnant (I've read this could be due to the way THC interferes with the way sperm cells work)
Also, THC increases estrogen levels in men and women, which can cause hormone related problems in the body.
So here I am, 2 days into abstinence. My symptoms so far are surprisingly mild.
The MAIN symptom I'm feeling is anxiety. Nothing too bad, but just enough to make me feel on edge.
My appetite is pretty low too, but I just force myself to eat anyway since I know my lack of appetite is totally psychological.
I think the main factor that determines how bad your withdrawals are is:
HOW BAD DO YOU WANT TO STOP
I do believe that the majority of cannabis withdrawal symptoms are psychological. That being said, our mind has an amazing amount of control over the way our body feels. What I'm trying to say is that the psychological symptoms bring on the physical symptoms (at least for me)
Some things you can do to make the withdrawals less intense are:
Eat a good breakfast! This is the meal that sets your blood glucose levels for the day and good glucose levels = a happy body and mind
Exercise, need I say more? The anxiety you feel is caused partly by adrenalin flooding your system (anxiety is a fight or flight response, just like stress) When you exercise, you counteract the adrenalin and thus you feel more relaxed.
Well, thats it for now, I'll post back in a few days for an update.
Remember, cannabis is probably the easiest addictive substance to quit.
Stick with it and you'll do it. STICK WITH IT. STICK WITH IT.
YOU CAN DO IT.
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I have been smoke for almost four years now. Though I have cut down considerably since this summer when I was smoking as much as a few g’s a day often alone. Each year I tend to try to quit for about a month. It used to work fine I never used to have anxiety. Recently I have had bronchitis twice this year within about 3 months. So I would say that I’m quitting for health reasons as well as for myself.
However recently I have been experiencing overwhelming anxiety and mild depression which makes it nearly impossible for me to get anything at all accomplished (I am a sophomore in college). I find myself with my heart racing and my hands sweating quite often sometimes shaking. My doctor recently told me this could be attributed to adderol that I’m prescribed to. I was wondering if it would be a good idea for me to inform him that I have been attempting to quit smoking. I went two weeks without but over thanksgiving break I smoked nearly every day. My anxiety is a lot less when I smoke but it is still somewhat apparent so I think that I have a problem to begin with. Should I ask my doctor if I should go on some sort of antidepressant of anti-anxiety drug? My life has been hell not smoking I feel incapable of focusing (not that I could when I smoked but that it would calm me down).
Smoking isnt even on my mind most of the time so i doubt that is the cause of it. But to say the least i have been dependant for nearly 3 years. So is this some sort of mental thing that will pass or should I try to seek some help from the doctors?
However recently I have been experiencing overwhelming anxiety and mild depression which makes it nearly impossible for me to get anything at all accomplished (I am a sophomore in college). I find myself with my heart racing and my hands sweating quite often sometimes shaking. My doctor recently told me this could be attributed to adderol that I’m prescribed to. I was wondering if it would be a good idea for me to inform him that I have been attempting to quit smoking. I went two weeks without but over thanksgiving break I smoked nearly every day. My anxiety is a lot less when I smoke but it is still somewhat apparent so I think that I have a problem to begin with. Should I ask my doctor if I should go on some sort of antidepressant of anti-anxiety drug? My life has been hell not smoking I feel incapable of focusing (not that I could when I smoked but that it would calm me down).
Smoking isnt even on my mind most of the time so i doubt that is the cause of it. But to say the least i have been dependant for nearly 3 years. So is this some sort of mental thing that will pass or should I try to seek some help from the doctors?
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Congrats on those who quit! I have never had a problem with bud, though.
In my experiences with it, I have come to realize that it is something to be done in moderation. You have to control how much you use & how often, just like sweets & other habits.
I do not believe that any anti depressants or anxiety drugs can replace bud. They are very different in make up. Adderol is stout stuff. Any chemical drugs are. I can concentrate on bud if used properly. I can pack it up & let it sit for months in a box too. Never touching it in between. You have to learn to control those things you ingest for medicinal purposes. Prozac Nation is a good movie that shows you the real truth about prescribed mind medicines. Be careful with what you allow your Doc to prescribe. I've known many that have become suicidal while using prescribed meds for anxiety, especially seratonin boosters. They are scary drugs when you have to help friends for weeks overcome suicidal tendencies that they have never had before due to prescribed meds. Do your research, please, on any prescribed drug & remember that bud does not need to be smoked, it can be cooked with oil & added to toast. The best remedy for anxiety is letting all meds clear out of your system, including bud then following an exercise program like walking 30 minutes three times a week or 15 minutes a day. This will help regulate your body. I'm talking about a relaxing walk, alone. You can accomplish much personal health care just saying no to any substances. Just be careful to wean off certain meds. It took 6 months for Zoloft to leave my body after I quit it. I was only on it four months. It was bad stuff. Swelling, tingling, ear infections, etc. was caused by Zoloft so I quit it. My migraines did not return either because I learned to change my food diet around.
Bud is hard for some to quit but it is really just breaking the habit & letting it clear your body. That's all.
Bud is not a gateway drug either, Alcohol is though.
In my experiences with it, I have come to realize that it is something to be done in moderation. You have to control how much you use & how often, just like sweets & other habits.
I do not believe that any anti depressants or anxiety drugs can replace bud. They are very different in make up. Adderol is stout stuff. Any chemical drugs are. I can concentrate on bud if used properly. I can pack it up & let it sit for months in a box too. Never touching it in between. You have to learn to control those things you ingest for medicinal purposes. Prozac Nation is a good movie that shows you the real truth about prescribed mind medicines. Be careful with what you allow your Doc to prescribe. I've known many that have become suicidal while using prescribed meds for anxiety, especially seratonin boosters. They are scary drugs when you have to help friends for weeks overcome suicidal tendencies that they have never had before due to prescribed meds. Do your research, please, on any prescribed drug & remember that bud does not need to be smoked, it can be cooked with oil & added to toast. The best remedy for anxiety is letting all meds clear out of your system, including bud then following an exercise program like walking 30 minutes three times a week or 15 minutes a day. This will help regulate your body. I'm talking about a relaxing walk, alone. You can accomplish much personal health care just saying no to any substances. Just be careful to wean off certain meds. It took 6 months for Zoloft to leave my body after I quit it. I was only on it four months. It was bad stuff. Swelling, tingling, ear infections, etc. was caused by Zoloft so I quit it. My migraines did not return either because I learned to change my food diet around.
Bud is hard for some to quit but it is really just breaking the habit & letting it clear your body. That's all.
Bud is not a gateway drug either, Alcohol is though.
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It's been very well proven not so long ago by a experimental studie that marijuana use temporally increase serotonin level in the brain at least, went use in small amounts. That fact mitgh be the key to explain why it is so addictive on the mind and that espacially among depressive and bipolar peoples who often got a serotonin imbalance at the source of their problems. I suffer of depression and have use marijuana for the last 3 years. It is more addictive on me then on any of the peoples I know that also smoke it. The only clear differance between me and theses peoples is that I have naturally low serotonin levels in my brain unlike them. Evrey time I try to quit I feel my serotonin levels fall down significantly (Trust me, I well able to recongnize when that happen haven taken the SSRI's Celexa and having experimented big mood swings cause by my serotonin imbalance) and I get very depress, angry, irritable, feeling upset and mad at evreyone for no valide reasons. If you take the time to examine marijuana withdrawal effects and compare it to the symptoms of a lack of serotonin, It will become extremelly clear to you that serotonin play a major role in marijuana psychological addiction perharp evan more then dopamine(the pleasure and addiction chimical) in the case of pot.
More and more invidences point to this since marijuana does not raise dopamine levels significantly witch is why, so many peoples espacially, potheads trying to defend their habit, argu that it's not addictive like others drugs but don't be fool, a substance that elevate serotonin level and by doing so improving mood can be really addictive even without the involvement of dopamine in the process.
I'm so tired of hearing potheads saying that it's not addictive. I sorry but thoses who thinck that really fool themselves. As a pothead myself, I can turn down all theirs pathetics defensives arguments. At least, I one of those who can admit the real truth about marijuana.
More and more invidences point to this since marijuana does not raise dopamine levels significantly witch is why, so many peoples espacially, potheads trying to defend their habit, argu that it's not addictive like others drugs but don't be fool, a substance that elevate serotonin level and by doing so improving mood can be really addictive even without the involvement of dopamine in the process.
I'm so tired of hearing potheads saying that it's not addictive. I sorry but thoses who thinck that really fool themselves. As a pothead myself, I can turn down all theirs pathetics defensives arguments. At least, I one of those who can admit the real truth about marijuana.
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I have been smoking for about 2 years straight, taking days off occasionally, intermittently. Reading these posts, I think I'm just under that level of serious addiction, as it is day 4 without smoking and the symptonms that were heavily present on day 2 or 3 are dying down. I started smoking when I was 18...I'm 20 now, do you think I could make a clean break now??? I still really like the drug, but i'm not a depressed person, I have an amazing girlfriend, and my life is great. I smoke just to ameliorate which is already good, along with writing poetry, and rap, which I enjoy high (and video games) But in all honestly, the withdrawls haven't been too bad (unless they're gonna get worse) but I doubt it because they've been getting steadily better. The only symptom that I found of great annoyance was the nausea, and that's just because I already have a week stomach - but even that's bearable. Alot of these people seem drowned in hopelessness, it's really no that bad, or maybe I'm just not yet at that stage of addiction. So yea, with that in mind do y'all think I'm not quite there yet? And if I stopped now could escape without much suffering? I hope so.
Dan
Dan
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