Costs don't necessarily have to go up.
Patients can bring a new pair of undergarments to change into for the surgery. For instance, for a colonoscopy there are medical supply stores that sell colonoscopy shorts to protect a patients privacy.
Patient should be allowed to purchase a pair at their own expense and bring the unopened package with them to the test for privacy reasons if the institution won't offer the option.
There's no cost to the medical institution.
They just have their heads stuck in the mud still doing everything the old way "our way or the highway". Not gonna cut it anymore.
As far as surgery goes, with the exception of emergency cases, most surgery is scheduled in advance.
That being the case, if the patient will be completely exposed on the operating table, there is absolutely no valid reason a hospital cannot put together all male teams to do surgeries on male related cases and all female teams to handle female related cases if the patient has made the choice in advance of the surgery.
There's no extra cost involved. It's all a matter of scheduling. Again, they just have their heads stuck in the mud still doing everything the old way "our way or the highway".
The healthcare industry does not embrace change very easily. To this day, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are men out there that do not want female caregivers on their case. The industry is of the opinion, all men should not be modest.
The man's reason for his modesty should not matter to anyone. There is no reason to belittle a man just because he says he has a modesty issue. They're no different than a female wanting same gender care. Do we belittle women for asking for same gender care? Some men just don't feel comfortable being cared for by female caregivers so female techs & caregivers should not be given to them.
The medical community has no problem when a woman doesn't want a male caregiver in fact, most places go out of their way to make sure women have only female techs caregivers unless they say they want opposite gender care.
Men should automatically without question be afforded the same right and courtesy.
Hospitals, clinics, & doctors offices need patients to make money. If one location can't or won't meet the patients needs, they will more than likely, take their business to another place where their needs will be met.
Patients are wanting to protect their dignity & privacy more these days whether the medical community agrees or not so, if they want that revenue stream to continue, they will have to make some very basic and simple changes.
Regards to all,
NTT
Patients can bring a new pair of undergarments to change into for the surgery. For instance, for a colonoscopy there are medical supply stores that sell colonoscopy shorts to protect a patients privacy.
Patient should be allowed to purchase a pair at their own expense and bring the unopened package with them to the test for privacy reasons if the institution won't offer the option.
There's no cost to the medical institution.
They just have their heads stuck in the mud still doing everything the old way "our way or the highway". Not gonna cut it anymore.
As far as surgery goes, with the exception of emergency cases, most surgery is scheduled in advance.
That being the case, if the patient will be completely exposed on the operating table, there is absolutely no valid reason a hospital cannot put together all male teams to do surgeries on male related cases and all female teams to handle female related cases if the patient has made the choice in advance of the surgery.
There's no extra cost involved. It's all a matter of scheduling. Again, they just have their heads stuck in the mud still doing everything the old way "our way or the highway".
The healthcare industry does not embrace change very easily. To this day, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are men out there that do not want female caregivers on their case. The industry is of the opinion, all men should not be modest.
The man's reason for his modesty should not matter to anyone. There is no reason to belittle a man just because he says he has a modesty issue. They're no different than a female wanting same gender care. Do we belittle women for asking for same gender care? Some men just don't feel comfortable being cared for by female caregivers so female techs & caregivers should not be given to them.
The medical community has no problem when a woman doesn't want a male caregiver in fact, most places go out of their way to make sure women have only female techs caregivers unless they say they want opposite gender care.
Men should automatically without question be afforded the same right and courtesy.
Hospitals, clinics, & doctors offices need patients to make money. If one location can't or won't meet the patients needs, they will more than likely, take their business to another place where their needs will be met.
Patients are wanting to protect their dignity & privacy more these days whether the medical community agrees or not so, if they want that revenue stream to continue, they will have to make some very basic and simple changes.
Regards to all,
NTT
If people was to start brining clean packaged underwear with them for any kind of surgical procedures then how can hospitals know if they are sterile or not plus if they was to sell sterile undergarments for those that want them to wear during procedures then it would just start another debate of why should we have to buy them ourselves.
Here in England when you have a prostate exam of colonoscopy you wear the back fastening gown they provide you with and you keep that on throughout the procedure there for keeping your modesty.
If hospitals had equal amount of male and female staff whether it be nurses doctors or theater tech then there would be no problem having same sex staff treating the patient but seeing as things don't run simple as that it can be hard to achieve, the only ones to really see you fully naked in the theatre are the prep nurse who removes your gown then covers you with the sheeting straight away except for the area that's being operated on.
You say hospitals have no problem when a female doesn't want a male carer yet why is it a lot of the replies on this thread are from female saying they are not getting a choice.
You say hospitals don't embrace changes readily well it also seems that the minority of people your talking about do not embrace changes readily either.
Today's society all want to be treated equally over everything these days except when it comes to something like this, hospital's arn't going to change things what is going to make it harder or add more cost just to please one in every one hundreds patients they deal with.
You can't always have everything just the way you want it in life.
Here in England when you have a prostate exam of colonoscopy you wear the back fastening gown they provide you with and you keep that on throughout the procedure there for keeping your modesty.
If hospitals had equal amount of male and female staff whether it be nurses doctors or theater tech then there would be no problem having same sex staff treating the patient but seeing as things don't run simple as that it can be hard to achieve, the only ones to really see you fully naked in the theatre are the prep nurse who removes your gown then covers you with the sheeting straight away except for the area that's being operated on.
You say hospitals have no problem when a female doesn't want a male carer yet why is it a lot of the replies on this thread are from female saying they are not getting a choice.
You say hospitals don't embrace changes readily well it also seems that the minority of people your talking about do not embrace changes readily either.
Today's society all want to be treated equally over everything these days except when it comes to something like this, hospital's arn't going to change things what is going to make it harder or add more cost just to please one in every one hundreds patients they deal with.
You can't always have everything just the way you want it in life.
Good Morning:
My scenarios deal with the US healthcare system. I don't know how other countries manage their healthcare systems for their citizens.
Regards,
NTT
My scenarios deal with the US healthcare system. I don't know how other countries manage their healthcare systems for their citizens.
Regards,
NTT
I so agree with you. What some of these people don't realize is it seems as if it is surgical rape. We pay for them to decide who will see us in a position we don't want. Ifi choose a male surgeon it is because i have confidence in him, but we have no say in the rest of surgical team. Being a woman i will strongly ask for the rest of team and anyone caring for me until i have my full mind to be female.
Guest:
I agree we ALL should have the choice of gender.
As a female, you stand a better than average chance of getting an all-female surgical team than a gentlemen does at getting an all-male surgical team.
This is simply due to US hiring practices. Everything being equal, they will hire a female before a male even though they are already short male nurses & techs throughout the medical system and more now than ever before, male patients are asking for same gender care and being denied it.
I have a friend who is so devoted to his wife, he has put off male related surgery now for 3 years as he doesn't want any female caregivers during his stay.
He took a vow with his wife. It is his belief that she and she alone should always be the only female that sees below his waist. He's lived everyday in pain because of his beliefs and he will not waiver.
Some people are just that way.
But when it comes to males, the healthcare industry's view is as it always has been, men are not modest period end of story therefore they see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not assign a female caregiver to perform intimate care and procedures on them whether it be in the patient room giving them a bath or urinary catheterization or in pre-op shaving their genital area, or in the operating room where everyone gets a look, then in post-op again where they check your surgical area.
After you get into that operating room & they knock you out, all bets are off as far as what you wanted unless you put it on that informed consent form and everybody signed off on it before you were wheeled in. That signed piece of paper is your only legal recourse. After everybody signs it make sure you get a copy before you leave pre-op. Check to make sure it's what you wanted then give your copy to whomever came with you.
There are some VERY undignified positions they WILL put your body in before commencing with surgery. Guys, you could wind up in a position normally reserved for women having babies, on your back with your legs spread wide in the stirrups AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IT because they put you into the position without telling you AFTER they knocked you out & put you back into the position you came into the OR in before they woke you up. They use this position to deal with kidney stones.
That is why if you want a same gender team you better speak up early & verify with the hospital that they will have the support staff in place for your surgery.
I have seen it happen where the patient goes to their doctor. They agree on a same gender surgical team so the patient relaxes afterward thinking the doctors office is handling everything.
Day of surgery comes and after they are signed in and setup in pre-op, a nurse of the opposite gender comes in to prep them for surgery.
Patient asks what's going on? The nurse says I'm here to prep you for your surgery, you say back, this is supposed to be a same gender team from pre-op thru PACU.
The nurse checks the records & they have no record on file of the request because the people in the doctors off never followed thru with the hospital.
Now you're in a pickle.
You're about to lose your dignity & respect because of your doctors office.
So what do you do? Do you call it all off or continue?
DON'T leave anything to chance when your doctors office is involved. Do your own verification's before surgery so YOU know everything is in place.
Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity & respect by everyone in the medical community no matter what gender you are ( and they deserve the same level back), so if leaving something on doesn't interfere with surgery and by doing this it helps lead the patient to a good outcome, then by all means LET THEM DO IT!
Respects to all,
NTT
I agree we ALL should have the choice of gender.
As a female, you stand a better than average chance of getting an all-female surgical team than a gentlemen does at getting an all-male surgical team.
This is simply due to US hiring practices. Everything being equal, they will hire a female before a male even though they are already short male nurses & techs throughout the medical system and more now than ever before, male patients are asking for same gender care and being denied it.
I have a friend who is so devoted to his wife, he has put off male related surgery now for 3 years as he doesn't want any female caregivers during his stay.
He took a vow with his wife. It is his belief that she and she alone should always be the only female that sees below his waist. He's lived everyday in pain because of his beliefs and he will not waiver.
Some people are just that way.
But when it comes to males, the healthcare industry's view is as it always has been, men are not modest period end of story therefore they see absolutely no reason whatsoever to not assign a female caregiver to perform intimate care and procedures on them whether it be in the patient room giving them a bath or urinary catheterization or in pre-op shaving their genital area, or in the operating room where everyone gets a look, then in post-op again where they check your surgical area.
After you get into that operating room & they knock you out, all bets are off as far as what you wanted unless you put it on that informed consent form and everybody signed off on it before you were wheeled in. That signed piece of paper is your only legal recourse. After everybody signs it make sure you get a copy before you leave pre-op. Check to make sure it's what you wanted then give your copy to whomever came with you.
There are some VERY undignified positions they WILL put your body in before commencing with surgery. Guys, you could wind up in a position normally reserved for women having babies, on your back with your legs spread wide in the stirrups AND YOU'LL NEVER KNOW IT because they put you into the position without telling you AFTER they knocked you out & put you back into the position you came into the OR in before they woke you up. They use this position to deal with kidney stones.
That is why if you want a same gender team you better speak up early & verify with the hospital that they will have the support staff in place for your surgery.
I have seen it happen where the patient goes to their doctor. They agree on a same gender surgical team so the patient relaxes afterward thinking the doctors office is handling everything.
Day of surgery comes and after they are signed in and setup in pre-op, a nurse of the opposite gender comes in to prep them for surgery.
Patient asks what's going on? The nurse says I'm here to prep you for your surgery, you say back, this is supposed to be a same gender team from pre-op thru PACU.
The nurse checks the records & they have no record on file of the request because the people in the doctors off never followed thru with the hospital.
Now you're in a pickle.
You're about to lose your dignity & respect because of your doctors office.
So what do you do? Do you call it all off or continue?
DON'T leave anything to chance when your doctors office is involved. Do your own verification's before surgery so YOU know everything is in place.
Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity & respect by everyone in the medical community no matter what gender you are ( and they deserve the same level back), so if leaving something on doesn't interfere with surgery and by doing this it helps lead the patient to a good outcome, then by all means LET THEM DO IT!
Respects to all,
NTT
What gives you the right to call her princess. Some of your comments are just ridiculous. Every time I have had surgery I have been awake when put on table. And thank God most have been years ago when the only male in surgery was my doctor. Years ago your trusted family doctor went to hospital and was present for surgeries. Now days they don't even let them take care of you after surgery. You are assigned a doctor who has no idea who you are or how you feel about things. Really medicine has gone downhill. Too many in surgery have very little training. My poor husband has had the awful indignity of having women cna with very little education that scrubbed him for TURP and hernia. After we saw what they did to him we were appalled. I feel like we were both raped. Also putting a catheter in him. I will be demanding all men for any more surgeries where he has something like that. By the way why don't hospitals provide all patients with the new dignity bra and underwear and yes they could be used for almost everything. . I sure in hell wouldn't want you in surgery with me. But maybe I can go get a 8 month cna and go scrub your penis and ram a catheter up you. Then go to lunch and talk about it.
Good morning.
Guest, I think you are partially correct it’s not that “medicine” in general has gone downhill.
It’s the people skills side that has gone to h*ll in a hand basket.
Choice, respect, dignity, and privacy for the patient have all but disappeared in the US healthcare system in favor of the almighty buck.
The patient in many cases has become nothing more than cattle.
Get them in and out as fast as possible. Don’t worry if someone is left exposed for all to see, or someone gets the wrong medicine, or the wrong part of the body is operated on, everybody makes mistakes. We won’t tell. Just concentrate of bringing in those dollars so everybody gets those bonuses!
It’s going to take federal mandates to stop this way of thinking and make the healthcare system patient friendly again as hospital administrators are only looking at the bottom line these days. Making personnel do more with less in a medical type setting is dangerous but that's what they are doing for that almighty bonus.
The system from the government on down tries fooling everyone by saying it’s all about making sure the “patient” has the very best outcome possible from their stay.
They all talk the talk but they don’t walk the walk.
Males are particularly susceptible nowadays as they do not hire many men for nursing and/or tech positions even when they are as equally or more qualified than a female. How many women do you know that have had their mammogram performed by a male tech?
The US healthcare system still today believes and runs the system under the stupidly foolish impression that only women are modest & must have their dignity protected.
They don’t believe a man should be modest therefore they have no problem assigning a female tech or nurse to handle their intimate care needs. They feel a woman’s smiling face will get them past any male modesty issue they have.
Until enough people have seen for themselves how they and others are treated like cattle, things will not change for the better. Change will come when people say no more & tell their elected officials, “fix the system or be voted out of office”.
That’s what it will take to fix this mess.
Regards to all,
NTT
Guest, I think you are partially correct it’s not that “medicine” in general has gone downhill.
It’s the people skills side that has gone to h*ll in a hand basket.
Choice, respect, dignity, and privacy for the patient have all but disappeared in the US healthcare system in favor of the almighty buck.
The patient in many cases has become nothing more than cattle.
Get them in and out as fast as possible. Don’t worry if someone is left exposed for all to see, or someone gets the wrong medicine, or the wrong part of the body is operated on, everybody makes mistakes. We won’t tell. Just concentrate of bringing in those dollars so everybody gets those bonuses!
It’s going to take federal mandates to stop this way of thinking and make the healthcare system patient friendly again as hospital administrators are only looking at the bottom line these days. Making personnel do more with less in a medical type setting is dangerous but that's what they are doing for that almighty bonus.
The system from the government on down tries fooling everyone by saying it’s all about making sure the “patient” has the very best outcome possible from their stay.
They all talk the talk but they don’t walk the walk.
Males are particularly susceptible nowadays as they do not hire many men for nursing and/or tech positions even when they are as equally or more qualified than a female. How many women do you know that have had their mammogram performed by a male tech?
The US healthcare system still today believes and runs the system under the stupidly foolish impression that only women are modest & must have their dignity protected.
They don’t believe a man should be modest therefore they have no problem assigning a female tech or nurse to handle their intimate care needs. They feel a woman’s smiling face will get them past any male modesty issue they have.
Until enough people have seen for themselves how they and others are treated like cattle, things will not change for the better. Change will come when people say no more & tell their elected officials, “fix the system or be voted out of office”.
That’s what it will take to fix this mess.
Regards to all,
NTT
If you have such strong feelings about dignity during surgery as it seen by reading your other posts NTT then why not complain direct to the US medical council and see what sort of reply you get back from them that what your not wasting your time complaining and nothing being done about it
The reason that there are very few male nursing staff has nothing to do with the medical services not hiring them but the actual lack of male's that train to become nursing staff compared to females, it's a bit like you take your car for repair how many female mechanics do you see in the male dominated environment there?
As blankcanvas has said to you in one of there replies medical centers/hospitals will cater for the majority of people and that's the ones who don't mind what sex the medical profession is that treat them of worry about you see them naked rather that add more costs to there over stretched budgets by having to provide sterile modesty underwear to the few that feel they need them.
The reason that there are very few male nursing staff has nothing to do with the medical services not hiring them but the actual lack of male's that train to become nursing staff compared to females, it's a bit like you take your car for repair how many female mechanics do you see in the male dominated environment there?
As blankcanvas has said to you in one of there replies medical centers/hospitals will cater for the majority of people and that's the ones who don't mind what sex the medical profession is that treat them of worry about you see them naked rather that add more costs to there over stretched budgets by having to provide sterile modesty underwear to the few that feel they need them.
There are more people that feel the way I do than you think. We just need to stand up for our rights. And most of us would gledly purchase our own modisty underwear and dignity bras. And I have been as a woman on the end of having men in the room demanding me take my bra off for a cat scan and saying I'll be behind the window waiting. I was able to discreetly remove my bra from under my top but when he said the same thing when done I told him I would not stay in that room with him to see me. Then for a stress test where I called and asked if I would be able to wear my bra since instructions said wear loose clothing and was told I could leave bra and shirt on to rudely be asked for xray what bra size I wore and to remove my upper clothes and put on a flimsy gown and a man did my test. Humiliating. I left said clinic in tears and a basket case both times.
They say the medical staff doesn't notice. But some do and it's disgusting. Unnecessary nudity isn't right. Coercing people to be nude for you is WRONG. It is a simple thing to provide covering for the areas that aren't being worked on.
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No, I was told everything has to come off. It did add to the anxiety being in a hospital. The only nice part was the hospital nurse, helping me take off my warm and snug layers of clothes and underwear. Once only wearing the awful hospital gown, I soon accepted my medical plight.
What did you have done. Was procedure in area you could have worn a Dignity bra or a pair of hospital undershorts. If so we should have the option to ask for some or be told ahead of time where we can purchase them for our use. I have had enough of the way they treat us. It isn't asking us it is demanding us to remove our clothing for anyone even people who really have no education to see us in awful positions and with no clothing.. I believe we should have rights. It is our body and hospitals and clinics need to realize we are paying customers.
1. The only place you would be able tnon get dignity underwear from would be the hospital as they would have to have radiation sterilization to kill off germs and bacteria
2. It would have to be made out of a non conductive material incase your heart was to stop and you need to be shocked or it may cause skin burns
3. The cost of making such items wouldn't really be worth while for one use garments.
4. Who are all the uneducated people that are going to see you naked?
5. If you feel so strongly about this subject then write and complain to the medical council in your country about it because complaining on here will not get the issue solved!
I think a lot of people feel strongly about this subject but don't know how to change it. Maybe talking with others who feel the same helps. In US they have patient consent, but we don't know who we and what we are really consenting to. Do you think a woman would really consent to a male cna with 8 or 9 months of computer training scrubbing and shaving her for bladder surgery or other surgery or a man having TURP like my husband had having a female cna scrub him and insert a catheter. We were not told what position or what would be done to him. Found out after fact when they hurriedly rushed him out of hospital for me to help him after the fact. Why don't they just let a spouse or significant other go scrub in and chaperone. Hospitals are turning more of the duties over to people who have less education than a plumber or mechanic. Actually they get much more training. There is nothing wrong with people who are modest. Don't we teach our children to not let others touch them inappropriately. When they lay you out exposed and you are unaware of what is going on it is inappropriate.
NTT,
It is obvious you have no health care background except for your psych history. Please take your meds before you come in for surgery.
It is obvious you have no health care background except for your psych history. Please take your meds before you come in for surgery.