Best Remedy for Opiate Withdrawals

Supportof4 said:

Plus, the Loperamide is non-addictive

ok, THAT did it. i HAVE to reply. prior to this i've just been reading through this thread, debating whether or not to post my own comment, but that really did it. first i'm going to critique the use of high-dose loperamide for opiate withdrawal, and then i'm going to offer the REAL solution...

saying loperamide is not addictive is a flat-out LIE. not only is loperamide addictive - just as addictive as any other opiate or opioid - but in high doses it can also KILL YOU after prolonged use. it has devastating effects on the heart, and can easily give you a heart attack. i encourage anyone who is considering going this route to do a simple google search for "loperamide addiction" and check out what i am saying. there is also a good blog written by a woman who was addicted to loperamide and ended up having to be shocked back to life several times by a defibrillator (search for "Mad Margaret loperamide" for her blog - it's very informative). she is absolutely not alone in her experience of almost being killed by high-dose loperamide, and many others were not as lucky as her. loperamide addiction is actually becoming a very big problem, due mostly to advice like that presented in this thread.

look, i understand as well as anybody how horrible opiate addiction is, and how much withdrawal sucks. we, as addicts, would do just about ANYTHING to avoid withdrawal, including taking handfuls of diarrhea pills. but this just isn't the way to go. you can find tons of truly awful stories of loperamide addiction online; there are quite a few at drugs-forum, for instance. trust me, you'll be no better off addicted to loperamide than you are being addicted to whatever your current opiate drug of choice is. the withdrawal is just as bad, and persists for significantly LONGER, owing to the long half-life of loperamide. someone else in the thread asked how this is supposed to work - do they just keep taking Immodium/loperamide until the withdrawal stops? well, here's your answer: the withdrawal DOESN'T stop when you do this. after a while, you just end up addicted to loperamide.

here's THE (not "a," but THE) solution to opiate addiction and withdrawal: MEGADOSES of sodium ascorbate, taken orally JUST UNTIL you reach bowel tolerance (the point at which you get loose stools), and maintained every 2 hours. start with, say, 3 grams of sodium ascorbate (the sodium salt form of Vitamin C), and see if you get loose stools. if not, go up to 4 (taking this next dose 2 hours later). it will take some experimenting to determine your bowel tolerance, but once you do, stay there, taking it every 2 hours. do this for a couple days, while still taking your drug of choice (if you have access to it). after the second day, stop taking your drug of choice, and keep taking the sodium ascorbate every 2 hours. there are a few other nutrients i would recommend in addition to the sodium ascorbate (essential amino acids - the best form is "MAP." just look up "MAP Amino Acids." and also Youngevity's "Beyond Tangy Tangerine." i don't have the time here to extol the infinite virtues of this amazing supplement, but it's the best out there, bar NONE), but the SA is by FAR the most important part of this detox.

SEARCH FOR THE FOLLOWING:

"Attenuation of Heroin Withdrawal Syndrome by the Administration of High-Dose Vitamin C"

"The Hypoascorbemia-Kwashiorkor Approach to Drug Addiction Therapy"

There are many other articles and studies on this topic, but that should get you started.

my Prayers are with you all. this modality absolutely WORKS, though it may be a bit tedious to get the dosage of sodium ascorbate right. you can find the SA at just about any health store, or online. once you see how well this works, please PAY IT FORWARD by telling any other addicts. you very well may save their lives.

-d.

How many times a day did you have to take them

You take all that at one time everyday don't it constipate you. Could imagition having to get dug out because I'm bond up and can't sh*t

I am coming off 15 years of opiates! Motorcycle accident, knee injuries and surgerys, you know just every excuse to take oxycodone or Vic's. I am 4 days without a pill now and this is my first time trying to kick opiates. It is hell with the withdrawals I know, and I found this blog. Now, I hate going thru this and I just took 10 and an hour later took 10 more. Ok, for me way to much. I was able to eat a full meal lunch today. I have been detoxing at work which is aweful but I have no choice. Yah, about an hour and half ago was my first time trying these little priks, but it did help but please don't take a lot of these because you do not want to end up in the ER getting your stomach pumped. Tomorrow I might do 5 to start. Just enough to where I don't feel like death at work. That's really all I want. Praying all day as well because it is so easy to go back to the drug of choice. Benadryl to sleep tonight. My heart goes out to the person who took 50 of those little
Green guys because right now I should not have taken 20. Everyone is different though. But just be real careful. Hope I don't get stopped up either! Good luck to you and God Bless

Please see my post about high-dose sodium ascorbate above. read the two studies i referenced - you can find them online by simply searching for the two titles.

you CAN do this completely painlessly. i must stress again that it doesn't work after a single dose of sodium ascorbate; it is only chronic dosing that works, and you must get yourself up to bowel tolerance and maintain that level for a little while.

this method of detox is safe, effective, costs very little, and has saved the lives of many addicts. you will not hear about it, though, because sodium ascorbate is not patentable, and your doctor cannot pay his ex-wives' alimony by merely relaying this information to you.

Hi ... i wish there were more caring doctors like you. Yes i live in Chicago, just got out of a nasty divorce and i have no insurance at all. Have tried, with no avail. I would LOVE for you to help me if you can.

Im sorry... lol, im new to all this. I was referring to Dr. House. Dont know if he is still replying or not. Sorry guys.

How much do you take at one time?

How much do you take at one time?

How long did you take the antidiheral pills and how many

i'm not the person you're asking, but typically people who go this ridiculous, foolish route take VERY many 2mg tablets - some take over 100 at a time (this is not at all unusual).

if you're reading this, i would implore you to read my post above about sodium ascorbate, and go THAT route instead. you can take 2 or 4 Immodium along with that method as well, but in my method the purpose of the Immodium is exactly what Immodium as made for - stopping diarrhea. it will also help boost the amount of Vitamin C that gets into your bloodstream, as you won't be pooping it out. read the articles/studies i referenced in that post: THE HYPOASCORBEMIA KWASHIORKOR APPROACH TO DRUG ADDICTION THERAPY and THE ATTENUATION OF HEROIN WITHDRAWAL SYNDROME BY THE ADMINISTRATION OF HIGH-DOSE VITAMIN C. it's a painless method that will allow you to get off opiates with NO (or, very few) withdrawal symptoms, AND help your body heal at light speed.

BUT, if you insist on going the foolish Immodium/loperamide route, be sure to check out "Mad Margaret's" blog on what it did to her, and ask yourself if you really want to risk death. and remember, it's a flat-out LIE that loperamide doesn't cross the blood brain barrier and that it's "not addictive." it IS addictive - horribly so!!!

let me just add:

the withdrawal-stooping efects of sdium ascorbate will most likely NOT happen after the first one or two doses; it is the CHRONIC administration of it that will stop al the withdrawal symptoms. for this reason, you should have at least a day or two of overlap where you are still taking your drug of choice alongside the sodium ascorbate, and make sure that you're taking it ever 2 hours, right up to the point of bowel tolerance.

some people just take some sodium ascorbate once, wait an hour, and when the withdrawal doesn't stop they assume that this doesn't work. it most certainly DOES work, but you have to take it persistently, for a couple days, staying constantly at bowel tolerance.

I tried it for withdrawals and it absolutely works. Opiate withdrawals are terrible. I take this along with tylenol and i feel better than when i waa taking both norco and morphine together.

OMG! Thank you!!!!!!

This is no joke a life saver! I'm another one of the sceptics about everything, hell I even tried this and called BS the first time! Trick for me was the amount. I have a super high tolerance, 75 mcg of fentanyl along with around 100mg oxycodone a day. My withdrawals are hell. First time I tried the Imodium I got no relief but I took 15 2mg, this time2 days in and in full blown withdrawals I started off with 30 2mg pills and my wd's are 90% gone! I can function! Thanks for the thread! (I know I'm super late)