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GEORGIA!!!! I'm glad to hear from you and hope all is well in Florida. I of coarse love the song. Damb Georgia this is not easy!! I have good days and not so good ones. But I'm not throwing in the towel just yet. It's hard hard to get up, hard to eat, hard to hold back tears, hard to do anything......I wonder sometimes what I'm fighting for. (WTF I wasn't even having fun) this has been weeks of torture I'm sure could make it easier with more K but afraid just prolonging at this point..So enough about me. How are you? Is it nice being in Florida? How is work and most importantly your Sis? I listen to your music all the time, and think and worry about you. You have given me so much support when I was really at the end of the road. You have made me see I was just on wrong road. During what seemed like the worst your suggestions completely rid me of the wd's!!! Know there is someone always on your team no matter what!!!!! Thank You- Natalie Merchant

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Hey there! (I totaly thought you were telling me you are Natalie Merchant for a min there!!! Then I remembered the song :) )
Yep all is well in FL, my sister is going to be induced this Sunday, so little Dyllon should be here by Monday (which is the father/husbans birthday as well, my sister timed this well! ) I love FL, so much so I am going to move back this December, I will end up a little farther south than I want to, but it will be okay, I am heading to Ft. Lauderdale, maybe only for a year or two, we will see, but it will be nice to be back in my home state!
The mental part of this fight is one of the hardest parts, even though you feel better from the WD's, your mind is still complaining, it wants that drug back. Be careful with the depression, it can get tough, it drove me out to see a doctor, even after I went through kicking on my own...but I am glad I did, just talking with someone made me feel better. Don't worry about taking the K, some people have said they got addicted, but when they stopped, it was nothing like kicking opiates, just a summer cold. The K, in low doses can also help with the anxiety and any flashbacks of cravings. If you do not have powdered leaf, get some of that, non "enhanced" . 1-2 tea spoons in the morning, then eat a little food, repeat late afternoon if needed. Remember to eat right, take multivitamins, this will help the healing and remember the simple things that your body needs, vitamins (most likely suffering for a low vitamin d count) vitamin d3, bcomplex and plenty of antixodants should help some. Make a tea with lipton green tea with blueberry and acai berry, plenty of fluids, juices and water, water, water. Any exerciser that you can manage will help, sweating, long hot showers etc. This can get you feeling better quickly, even if it hurts when you first do it.
You have helped me more than you know, just being able to talk with someone who understands this is great, meeting someone like you with all our common paths in life, is really something!

Going a little old school on ya here, but well worth the listen;
Youtube--Van Morrison - Into The Mystic

"Let you soul and spirit fly....into the Mystic..."
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 I've got myself into a state of permanent withdrawls. How you ask? Well, I got addicted to hydro first then I added Oxy. Being a pure recreational user, I took first some snorted Hydro around 3:30 PM alone and just chilled out in my bedroom with a good book, later resumed a normal evening routine. This worked well for several years, I did this every day. Several times I ran out and had mild withdrawl for a couple days. Not fun, but not very bad really. I did not experience much for withdrawals during the 24 hours up to my next dose. That's why I kept doing it, very little negative effects in my life. Then I got ahold of Oxy. Bad Idea! This stuff gave a huge kick compared to just the Hydro, so I naturally feel into the trap.

My doses were never outrageously high. Oxy 40  Hydro 20. Still that is a real dose. Once I got going on Oxy I notice I was feeling sicker and sicker every morning, then depression hit, a deep terrible depression. As my use continued, I felt sicker and sicker and more and more dpressed all day until 3:30. Then I doses, and in 1/2 hour I was well, happy, and going full blast to make up for feeling sick all day. Only then did it hit me how badly addicted I was!!!  For a long time I kept this up because I was so sick by 3;30 I wanted to die. Now that I know how badly addicted I am, I have tried tapereing down over and over again. Still I am sicker than a dog when using half the normal dose now. I even split it now taking a little a 12:30 to ease the pain and then take a 20MG oxy and 10 hydro at 3:30.

All I know is tapering is very hard, easy to slip in a bit more. The depression has me looking for painless ways to end it all. All this over a once a day 40oxy and 20 hydro habit.

I am working today on the courage to either cold turkey off of 20 hydro 30 oxy or get this seriously tapered down. I through my hydro out last night to elimiante that as it does little compared to oxy. So why even take it?  Now I plan on today taking 25 oxy for the dope sickness and see where this leaves me tomorrow. But it needs to be down hill everyday from here on in. I feel so bad for people with really huge addictions. I have a moderate one and it is soul destroying. Perhaps I will post again tomorrow or later on how it feels to drop dosage by half in once day.

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Hi MN Man,
Good luck, it can be done! Read this whole thread, will take awhile as it is really long, but there are a lot of good suggestions in it.
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I've been to this site a few times, I even posted once I was 11 days in and then fell off the wagon and went on a binge there for a while. I'm happy to say both my husband and I are over 14 days in and barely even taking a suboxone. ( only taking 1/2 of a 1/4 piece if needed ) The mental part is truly the hardest part. I mean after a week the whole physical part went away, with a excedrin here and there and some Mt. dew for caffiene I felt fine. It was the mental aspect that was killing me there would be times during the day where I'd want to be bad, but then think to myself: I've gotten this far I can make it longer than this. And sure enough the craving passed and I'd find something else to do with my time. It's mostly when I have nothing to do and I'm bored then I get all evil-minded :-( but on the plus side even though I have those bad moments my husband is always there to help me with it and I'm there for him when he needs it. I think the best thing to is to have someone there to support you during those times is very helpful. Also I guess it helped that him & I would split whatever we got which most times was just 1-80mg oxy ( so we each got 40mg ) I mean that would be our daily dosing, maybe a little more if we could swing it but that was very rare. I see alot of people I work with struggling with it and they are much worse off than I was. I mean 1 poor guy I work with was taking anywhere from 5-8 30mg percs a day! If not more! I couldn't imagine! I'd be passed out on the floor lol. But I guess his tolerance had built up. He's trying to quit too, It seems harder for him though mentally. I feel bad sometimes and give him a valium to take b/c I've found that when my mind gets racing or I feel irritated it's best to crack 1 of those babies in half and I feel alot better. the anxiety of it all is horrible. I'm lucky though b/c the valium's I'm prescribed for my stress so I get those regularly. They do help! I hope everyone trying succeeds! I know it's tough but it can be done, even if you fall off from time to time, just always remember to get back on and keep going!!! It will be worth it! Hell I'm planning on moving from the state if need be just to get away from it all ( which will be the second time now I've moved b/c of knowing the wrong people ) sh*t happens I suppose. Good luck to all :)

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trytomakeit hang in there! Great advice for everyone else and it sounds like you have a good plan in place, hopefully you guys will succeed this time!

Peace and strength!
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Georgia I miss you! Been so busy with work and just making it thru the day...MN Man and Tryingtomake it there is a lot of hope for you and you are in the right place right now. Feel free to ask me anything and I will help the best I can. I will prob reread both stories tom during the day and give a little more. Georgia I feel very blessed to have met you like I'm not alone in my darkest places. You really gave me the strength to get thru this. Each day is a little battle mixed with great real moments. It does get easier! And harder lol. No once you get those toxins out of your body and let your mind start start going back to some baseline it gets easier. HMMMM, Do you realize -flaming lips, mad world-gary jules,black boys on mopeds-Sineade o'Conner,Bush-Glycerine, Hey-The Pixies Georgia I believe you will like these

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Is Dyllon here????
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YEs, arrived yesterday at 1 pm. He was 10lbs and 22inch long! A big boy!
He and mom are fine!
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Right on with the Music :)

Youtube-- Odetta ~ Hit or Miss

"Oh, can't you see, I gotta be me....Ain't nobody, just like this, gotta be me, baby, Hit or Miss.."
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Congrats!! I'm so happy for ya'll!!!
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Not as upbeat or soulful rodiohead- high and dry. Also a song with great meaning to me Creed- What's this life for Lol about Natalie Merchant
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Yeah, she is from way back, 50's I believe, saw a comercial with that song in it (Southern Comfort)

Baby is doing good, is very big! My sis gets home tomorrow, I am going to try and get down there this week if I can, maybe next week, just depends on work.

Youtube --JJ Grey & Mofro - I Believe (In Everything)
"Let go of my past, let go of my future, one cloud at a time, yes I'm dreaming"
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Lol, Southern Comfort, speaking of I lived in southern Florida for awhile and loved it. Ft. Lauderdale is great. I lived near there when I was18 I worked in Ft. Lauderdale. Florida is nice. That sounds exciting! I'm am so glad for the new member of the family (he is big), and your sister's safe homecoming? How is everything else going down there?? On a side note DD got busted lucky I got out when I did.
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I LOVE this one!!
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