You never have to be sorry honey! You are a victim here! A victim of a debilitating illness, a victim of a drug that is SO addictive, and a victim of a cruel and inhumane doctor - who should loose her license!
The 1st thing I would like you to do is try and track down your old doctor and send her an email describing what happened to you with this "B!!!" then ask her for some more advice and who to see! Google the nearest pain centre near you, and phone them asking about doctors who deal with pain in your area!
You FIRE that you know what! And interview for the right doctor for you! I was with the "Quack" for a couple of years, then when I fugured out that I was having a big problem, I walked into a clinic and there was this doctor there, just doing his 9 - 5 - couldn't care less - he said to me "I think you are addicted to these pills!" I said to him as serious as could be "I can't be addicted to them, becasue I feel better when I'm on them!!!" He looked at me like this o.O ? And my regular brain was thinking "what the heck are you saying!!!?" he KNEW I was an addict but didn't care! Then a few weeks later myself and a good friend of mine were watching the movie Ray - about Ray Charles - I started Shaking, and I looked up and there was Ray Charles shaking! i couldn't believe it!! I leant over to my girlfriend and said "I think I am an addict!" She nodded and after told me that she and several of my friends had been talking to each other about approaching me about it, and that they were ALL worried sick! So a day or 2 later I went to another walk in clinic, and stated "I think I am an addict!" And this ANGEL of a human being! Started me on the road to health! So it is YOU honey that has to "shop" around for the best doctor for you!!
If this doctor AND nurse are employed by a hospital, after you find a good doctor - make a formal complaint against her! You are correct about how some people view "addicts" they think we are weak, they don't care HOW we became an adict, just that we don't have the fortitude that they in their allmight states have!!!! So don't give them a 2nd thought!
Are you seen by a Rheumatologist? If not ask to be seen by one! They will get you on the right meds too!
I have never really looked down my nose at street people or prostitutes, I have always contributed to homeless shelters etc. BUT one day - my angel doctor - called the Methadone Clinic and had me try methadone! Moments later I was photographed - with a polaroid camera - my picture was put on the "clinic's" wall! And it was beside about 80 other poloroids of Street People, prostitutes etc. I would line up and point to my picture and drink my Tang ladened with Methadone! It was one of the most humiliating events of my life! But I did it everyday! I started NOT staring ahead and started talking to these other "human beings" they all had different stories! And what happened to them on the streets - because they were treated and thought of as lesser thans - changed my life actually! These people are treated like animals, they are beaten up, robbed, peed on and spat on! And then they have to line up and drink the Tang, and try and scrounge a living! Even in the offices of the Methadone Clinic, the chairs were stained - God knows with what - the bathrooms were disgusting - I even brought several bottles of Dial Antibacterial Hand Wash!!!! And their names were yelled out - last names only of course - for them to go and get a urine test! The last day I attended this clinic, I heard my last name yelled out "!!!!! PEE SAMPLE!!!!!" I stood up and walked out with the remainder of my dignity intact!!! I remember asking a lady there - "OMG why do they leave this place so disgustingly dirty?!" She replied "They don't care what we sit on, They don't care period!" And that was it in a nutshell! Even the agency that was supposed to help people with addictions "Couldn't care less about them!" I understand burn out, or helping people that don't help themselves!" But I DON'T get INHUMANITY!!! Especially to someone in pain! - As yourself!
So along with fighting these pills, you will now have to fight a little bit longer to find the right doctor! Don't accept mediocrity when it is about your health OK? You can do this honey! I am usually on here so VENT away and keep talking about it OK? This WILL get better for you!
The 1st thing I would like you to do is try and track down your old doctor and send her an email describing what happened to you with this "B!!!" then ask her for some more advice and who to see! Google the nearest pain centre near you, and phone them asking about doctors who deal with pain in your area!
You FIRE that you know what! And interview for the right doctor for you! I was with the "Quack" for a couple of years, then when I fugured out that I was having a big problem, I walked into a clinic and there was this doctor there, just doing his 9 - 5 - couldn't care less - he said to me "I think you are addicted to these pills!" I said to him as serious as could be "I can't be addicted to them, becasue I feel better when I'm on them!!!" He looked at me like this o.O ? And my regular brain was thinking "what the heck are you saying!!!?" he KNEW I was an addict but didn't care! Then a few weeks later myself and a good friend of mine were watching the movie Ray - about Ray Charles - I started Shaking, and I looked up and there was Ray Charles shaking! i couldn't believe it!! I leant over to my girlfriend and said "I think I am an addict!" She nodded and after told me that she and several of my friends had been talking to each other about approaching me about it, and that they were ALL worried sick! So a day or 2 later I went to another walk in clinic, and stated "I think I am an addict!" And this ANGEL of a human being! Started me on the road to health! So it is YOU honey that has to "shop" around for the best doctor for you!!
If this doctor AND nurse are employed by a hospital, after you find a good doctor - make a formal complaint against her! You are correct about how some people view "addicts" they think we are weak, they don't care HOW we became an adict, just that we don't have the fortitude that they in their allmight states have!!!! So don't give them a 2nd thought!
Are you seen by a Rheumatologist? If not ask to be seen by one! They will get you on the right meds too!
I have never really looked down my nose at street people or prostitutes, I have always contributed to homeless shelters etc. BUT one day - my angel doctor - called the Methadone Clinic and had me try methadone! Moments later I was photographed - with a polaroid camera - my picture was put on the "clinic's" wall! And it was beside about 80 other poloroids of Street People, prostitutes etc. I would line up and point to my picture and drink my Tang ladened with Methadone! It was one of the most humiliating events of my life! But I did it everyday! I started NOT staring ahead and started talking to these other "human beings" they all had different stories! And what happened to them on the streets - because they were treated and thought of as lesser thans - changed my life actually! These people are treated like animals, they are beaten up, robbed, peed on and spat on! And then they have to line up and drink the Tang, and try and scrounge a living! Even in the offices of the Methadone Clinic, the chairs were stained - God knows with what - the bathrooms were disgusting - I even brought several bottles of Dial Antibacterial Hand Wash!!!! And their names were yelled out - last names only of course - for them to go and get a urine test! The last day I attended this clinic, I heard my last name yelled out "!!!!! PEE SAMPLE!!!!!" I stood up and walked out with the remainder of my dignity intact!!! I remember asking a lady there - "OMG why do they leave this place so disgustingly dirty?!" She replied "They don't care what we sit on, They don't care period!" And that was it in a nutshell! Even the agency that was supposed to help people with addictions "Couldn't care less about them!" I understand burn out, or helping people that don't help themselves!" But I DON'T get INHUMANITY!!! Especially to someone in pain! - As yourself!
So along with fighting these pills, you will now have to fight a little bit longer to find the right doctor! Don't accept mediocrity when it is about your health OK? You can do this honey! I am usually on here so VENT away and keep talking about it OK? This WILL get better for you!
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I have been on opiates for 4 years now. Everything from vicodin hp to ms-contin 60 mg 3x a day. I have finally admitted that I need help getting off this medication for good. I suffer from 4 disc hernoation in my neck and lower back. I am constantly in a situation where I don't have enough medication to last and end up either at the Dr. or Emergency room. I contacted a Dr. to help me and she plans on lowering my dosage slowly and has put me on clonadine a blood pressure medication thats suposed to help with withdrawal. I can't bring myself to lower the dosage because I am so afraid of the withdrawals. When I got home I called a coupole of outpatient Detox places and are awaiting a call back from them to get an appointment for help. I don;t know what these places offer, but I have so many regular health problems that I am frieghtened of what might happen. I have tumors in my brain as well as both breats and a few heart conditions that need to be taken into consideration when treating me. Can anyone offer any advice as to what to look for in an outpatient setting or what to ask for? I really need some input into this, I am really freightened. Thanks ahead of time for all you can do.
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Hi honey! Clonadine is a VERY good drug for withdrawls, I have been on it for awhile now! What you have to realize is this, and also bring this up to your doctor - she sounds like she has your best interests in mind by the way! You need to SLOWLY get off these pills, BUT because of your pain and your other medical problems, you need to replace the opiates with non opiate pain medications. I am presently on Tramacet for pain - which is AWESOME without the high, and what my doctor did is this - tell your doctor - he figured out how much Tramacet it would take to equal the opiates, so he would take away one dose of opiate and replace it with one of the Tramacet, then we would slowly "exchange" the whole lot! Also cutting the pills in half and putting them in a smaller container, tricks your brain. Your doctor might not know this, but it works like you wouldn't believe! The difference between what I would like you to do and what an out patient place does is that they want you OFF EVERYTHING! But in your physical state, you can't be, you will have all the symptoms of withdrawl PLUS pain x 10 because your brain will make you pay for taking it off the opiates. So talk to your doctor OK? And mention to her about replacing the drugs, then you can lower the amount - as your pain needs, not raising it because your brain needs it! Does this make sense to you honey? Good luck and health, and if you need to talk I'm usually on here!
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Hi there GUest, do you have an update for us for what your status is on quitting opiates? Or have you made up your mind as to what you want to do? Let me know! THanks :-)
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I'm beginning to realise that oxycontin is made from Satan. :-S Ouch, but I just can't handle the pain of the trapped nerve in my neck without them.
At what dosage is there no going back? I was just about to ask for my second increase in the year I have been taking them, which means 30mg x2 per day, still quite a light dose or not? I recognise the addiction. I'm not opiate niaeve, but these meds are especially spiteful in withdrawl by the sound of it.
At what dosage is there no going back? I was just about to ask for my second increase in the year I have been taking them, which means 30mg x2 per day, still quite a light dose or not? I recognise the addiction. I'm not opiate niaeve, but these meds are especially spiteful in withdrawl by the sound of it.
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from kj i know ur pain oh too well. im an alcoholic and a drug addict. I was clean and sober for 2 years when i got prescribed vicoten for chronic pain . that was just the begining of a 3 year stint of totally out of control use of narcotics. i was working 24/7 just to make enough money so that i could buy more pills . becauce mine just were not enough. i had lost my direction totally. i like what was said about these pills being from satin, cauce it is very true. its called chasing the dragon. well im now in the proccess of quiting and yes im doing it at home. it is really hard to do but im getting better everyday. im on day 7 and i am feeling better. im going to a meeting today its time. i pray all the time god please help me. i am taking benedrill and tylonol pm to help sleep. i do feel some relief from the withdraw so i just keep praying cuz everyday i will get better. god bless and good luck to everyone it can be done
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Methadone is not intended for short term use and is hellish to go off of. I went cold turkey once off 40MG methadone and ended up in the hospital. Recently I got thyroid cancer and the Doc's put me on Percocet which I took loads of for 3 years. I just started (yesterday) Suboxone. Supposed to be better than Methadone but since I just started, I can't really speak to that drug, except I miss my percs. In short, don't go on Methadone....It sucks and you will end up sicker than withdrawals from the drugs you were taking to begine with. Find a good Doctor and explain to him what you wrote here and he should help you taper. Good Luck.
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Hello to both of you! As a "victim" of Oxycocet, Oxycodone, Methadone etc. etc. etc. The ONLY advice I can give you is that you BOTH have to have medical advice! You need to be able to talk openly and be listened too! Methadone has only just started to be used for pain releif andALL I can say is it shouldn't be used for this at all! I was on it for that and withdrawls and it was horrible! They didn't have Suboxone when I was coming off, but from what I've heard it is a fantastic subsitute YET it can have the same affects! So be careful with this too! The makers of Oxycocet were actually fined millions of dollars for keeping quiet just how powerful and addictive this drug was! BUT at the same time it IS one of the best pain medications out there! So it's a catch 22! What I find is this, IF you have a doctor - like I did - who will bump up your pain medication without one question, he/she is just the same as a drug dealer! Becaue they KNOW that you are starting to show signs of addiction! And instead of getting you help, they want their money for that perscription! I was on 300 Oxycocet a month and about 120 Oxycodone! PLUS medications to help with the shakes, sleep, anxiety etc. I would take about 25 - 30 pills a DAY!!!! And eventually I was hit with something called Opiate Toxicity! My skin would peel off, my eyes were blood shot, I couldb't go near anything warm - a window, a shower, the sun etc, or I would start burning! My hair fell out, sick nausea, everything! Then I found a doctor from heaven! And he helped me get off these "dragons" and eventually 9 months later I had 1 left! I still have it in my purse!!!!! It just shows me how I beat it! I will NEVER take it, I will always have it, it's almost all powder in it's little bag! But It will never leave my side!
So to both of you I wish GOOD health, Strength, and Sobriety and above all PAIN FREE future! Get the right help and make them listen to you!
So to both of you I wish GOOD health, Strength, and Sobriety and above all PAIN FREE future! Get the right help and make them listen to you!
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well this is my first time here and you guys are scaring me! i to am addicted to narcodics, and this is now my 4th day of trying to quit cold turkey at home! i feel like i am going to die! i can barley get up to go to the bathroom, and i am having a hard enough time tyiping this so if what you guys are saying is true then someone please call my husband and tell him that! cause ive been telling him that it might better if i had at least one a day or something for a while, ok i just cant type anymore
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I need help!!! About a year ago I was in pain and was misdiagnosed for several months. During this time a friend gave me 30mg Oxyconde because the doctors were giving anti-inflammatory meds and they would do nothing. I found I felt great, got alot done and ended up having two surgeries that required pain meds. I was prescribed 10mgs every four hours. Needless to say I took them like tic-tacs. My friend who helped me in the beginning was making a small fortune off me. My relationship is just about over and I am the Mother I used to be. It is affected every aspect of my life. Not well enough to really look for work which I despartly need. My kids need me back and I need to be back to normal. I don't know what to do. I was forced to stop today and I have never felt this bad. I have the worst stomach pains, ready to rip my skin off and chest pains. I thought I was anxiety but now I am really scared. I found someone who gave me a fentanly patch and the WD are not as bad. I was given this with the understanding I go first thing after the kids leave for school and find a doctor and get help. I don't know where to begin. I plan on being honest but I am afraid they will try and call social services, or just not help. I am weak and I know I can not do this alone. I certainly don't want to die. I am in the Baltimore, MD area if anyone has ideas where to start please help.
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Dear both guests!! Yes it IS frightening, BUT treatable! I KNOW how you feel, more than you will ever comprehend! When I was "outed" by the WCB actually, The first thing I said was "Your NOT taking away my pills!!!!!" I would have done ANYTHING not to stop them! I am a married mother of 2 teenagers, and I would have done WHATEVER it takes to keep on them! It sure in the hell wasn't for pain anymore - which it helped, it was so I could be ON!!! I called them my "Happy Pills"! You will NOT be taken to Social Services for being an addict, but BOTH of you need to get help! When anyone thinks of an addict, they think of prostutes or street people, shooting up in a back alley! Do you know that these poor people are NOT the norm!? The difference between them and us, is that we "SHOOT UP" after we drop the kids off at school, or before going out with friends, OR if we are stressed out! There is NO difference between us and them!
BUT we CAN change the future, and that is only done IF you ask for help! You HAVE to talk to a doctor or an addiction facility and say the words "I need help I AM an addict!" you have to say the words and realize that you need and deserve the help! Because the you know whats that made this "dragon" are totally the reason why we are addicts! And the health professionals HAVE to help you BOTH! Don't go cold turkey! You need to reduce it over time, it doesn't take long I promise!
HUGS to both! And please phone for help!
BUT we CAN change the future, and that is only done IF you ask for help! You HAVE to talk to a doctor or an addiction facility and say the words "I need help I AM an addict!" you have to say the words and realize that you need and deserve the help! Because the you know whats that made this "dragon" are totally the reason why we are addicts! And the health professionals HAVE to help you BOTH! Don't go cold turkey! You need to reduce it over time, it doesn't take long I promise!
HUGS to both! And please phone for help!
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Hey there, this is my first time on here, I am a cancer survivor and started taking Percocet (generic) while I was ill and in treatment. It has been three years since my last treatment but I was left with leg and back pain from some of my chemo drugs and the way they were given (intrathecaly/spinal) anyway, I suspect that my lagit pain is lessor or gone, but when I tried to stop the meds, a far worse kind of pain started, actually pain isnt the right word, I dont know if there is a right word for the horror of being without this medicine. So I continued to take it in the same dose. I feel Chained to these pills. I mentioned to my Oncologist I wanted to try to get off of them, and he recomended weening myself off, but didn't give me a game plan. I really want to try to kick this but I want a plan. I was afraid to let him know just what a problem this is in fear that he wouldn't perscribe it anymore, hard to explain but I don't want to wind up stranded if my plan fails and I need the medicine. Any recomendations? Thanks in advance.
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Hi Chancer! First of all GOD BLESS! And Congratulations on beating this desease! NOW we need to help you to beat this addiction! this is what you need to do = as I was addicted for about 3 years and still need pain meds - so I understand TOTALLY how you feel!
Go to your regular doctor, and ask him/her to do this for you! Ask them to figure out how much Tramacet it will take to replace 1 Percocet! Tramacet is an EXCELLENT pain medication - which is NO where near as addictive! And then what you start doing is replacing a pill every 2 weeks with another pain med! AND IF you feel that you could actually go without or very little pain meds, then you can reduce the Tramacet on your own! You keep reducing the pills till they are replaced, Also the BEST thing to do - It sounds insane but it works - is cut ALL your pills in half, IF you have a smaller container put ALL the halves inside the container! Your addicted side will actually not panic when it sees SO many pills! It is JUST AMAZING! Remember slow and easy, and this WILL happen! My doctor tried Fentanyl patches, and other drugs, but Tramacet was the best, and the least reactions to it!
Now keep in mind that you might have a little anxiety - It's kind of like your brain thinking "Hey I think something is going on here, but I cant put a finger on it!" so it creates a little upheaval just to keep you knowing who's in charge! I know this sounds a bit babyish, but I like to simplize things! IF that happens a GREAT anti anxiety medication is Citalopram 0.5 mg it is just enough to take away anxiety, but not enough to cause Seratonin Toxicity! So just keep that in mind OK? Learn to start relaxing techniques and bio feedback!
Please let me know if you have anymore questions or help, and also how you are doing OK? Good luck and health honey!
Go to your regular doctor, and ask him/her to do this for you! Ask them to figure out how much Tramacet it will take to replace 1 Percocet! Tramacet is an EXCELLENT pain medication - which is NO where near as addictive! And then what you start doing is replacing a pill every 2 weeks with another pain med! AND IF you feel that you could actually go without or very little pain meds, then you can reduce the Tramacet on your own! You keep reducing the pills till they are replaced, Also the BEST thing to do - It sounds insane but it works - is cut ALL your pills in half, IF you have a smaller container put ALL the halves inside the container! Your addicted side will actually not panic when it sees SO many pills! It is JUST AMAZING! Remember slow and easy, and this WILL happen! My doctor tried Fentanyl patches, and other drugs, but Tramacet was the best, and the least reactions to it!
Now keep in mind that you might have a little anxiety - It's kind of like your brain thinking "Hey I think something is going on here, but I cant put a finger on it!" so it creates a little upheaval just to keep you knowing who's in charge! I know this sounds a bit babyish, but I like to simplize things! IF that happens a GREAT anti anxiety medication is Citalopram 0.5 mg it is just enough to take away anxiety, but not enough to cause Seratonin Toxicity! So just keep that in mind OK? Learn to start relaxing techniques and bio feedback!
Please let me know if you have anymore questions or help, and also how you are doing OK? Good luck and health honey!
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Dear DrGothican, The 12 Steps IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED. Attend a Narcotics Anonymous meeting every day for seven days and you will begin to see the light. In fact every single person on here would greatly benefit from this. It sounds corny and not that many people know that this simple, spiritual, NOT RELIGOUS program can help everybody be free'd from active addiction and help you lose the desire to use. there are meetings everywhere in every state, many people have been to jail, phsyciatric institutions, hospitals, and to specialists after specialists and this is the ONLY thing that worked.please give it a try, it will save your life
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There is hope, There is always hope in every situation. And .......no matter how bad you think you have it, someone else has had it worse. I have chronic shoulder pain from injuries,failed surgeries,fibro,and bursitus,Narcotic pain relief is a rollercoaster ride for me also.100mc Duraesic patch plus hydrocodone........No fun trying to even cut back let alone remove meds.The answer for me was to realize who made me and remember why I'm here.Yes God did make me.....no this is not a 12 step program,only one. Me standing before GOD one day giving an account how I did in this life he gave me..and I know my grade is not so good...............but..............its ok..The hope I talked about,its Christ........Who was beaten beyond recognition.....way more pain than you or I will ever see.......He was sacrificed so you and I could go free........He paid the price for our shortcomings,failures,lets call it SIN.and then to prove he was GODS Son he rose from the dead 3 days later...........Believe it and tell him you believe it and you will have open communication with GOD.-and go to heaven when this life is over..........aand have super natural power to overcome many things in life.....not just a pain medicine problem...........anything you want to talk to him about........I hope this helps and beg you to at least consider it......I know life is hard. But there is one friend that will stick closer than a brother.CHRIST.......not that all things hard will just pass away,but that you have him going with you through the valleys of life,,and at the end, The fire of adversity will make you whole.Good luck my friend and think about this,it really will keep you out of Hell.On earth and for eternity.
Tim
Tim
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