U guys will probably think I'm crazy but I was on subs for 8 long years and always had got them thru friends and in the city never went to docs to get script for them never had the incurance. And before the subs I was doing percs 12 years of addiction total for both subs and percs. I was only taking 4 mg of sub per day not a big dose I know but it got me off. Didn't taper off just quit because I moved far away. I'm on day 6 now and feel better but still not normal it comes and goes day 3 an 4 were the tuff days I hope it's all up hill from hear now took few Xanax to help with the sleep and Motrin to help ease the pain little bit not much. Reading all ur posts really helped out alot thanks to everybody hear. Good luck an stay clean