SUBOXONE HAS WROINED MY LIFE PLEASE LISTEN TO MY STORY!!!

I am involving my Dr. and getting horrible results. My primary care gave me 60 percocet to get through the w/d until she could find me a sub Dr. Hello can we say relapse? When I called her and told her I couldn't take the percocet as prescribed because I was still too sick, she said go to an ER. I called the ferocity treatment hospital that my insurance pays for and they said opiate withdrawal is not an emergency and isn't life threatening. He said go to bed and tell people you have the flu! Obviously he doesn't know how bad suboxone w/d are and I have 5 kids in my house. I can't be sick for a week, I just cant. I went to urgent care and got the clonadine patch and tramadol and it takes the edge off, but definitely doesn't leave me functional. The anxiety is insane. So I'm taking those meds and buying about 20 mg a day of percocet, but I'm about to be out of money. I am going to call my insurance Monday and tell them I need help and hope they can get me a sub Dr. or that my primary Dr. will give me a much higher dose of tramadol to hopefully get me through. Even tramadol has w/d symptoms though. It is so hard for me right now. I feel weak and like I failed and don't understand why this happens to so many people.

I am really sorry to hear about your situation. You appear to have lousy healthcare, at least in the area of chemical dependency treatment. "Go to bed and tell people you have the flu." Yeah, right; that oughta do it ... I agree with you that the Klonodine patch and Tramadol aren't going to be sufficient for treating long-term, high-octane opiod dependency. The anxiety IS terrible, and comparing your withdrawal to the flu is like comparing a bad cough to lung cancer ... If your medical insurance does not have a chemical dependency program, can you find a harm reduction treatment center somewhere nearby where you can get better advice? You might even be able to find a sympathetic counselor at a methadone clinic who can suggest other ways for you to get treatment. I'm assuming that you do not have the kind of money necessary to go into rehab -- if you did, there are many places who treat clients with Subs or Methadone. A lot of these facilities will offer loans for those who cannot afford to pay in full...Meanwhile, good luck with getting some advice on a Sub doctor in your area -- there are a lot of them now, and one of the advantages of getting one-on-one treatment is that it's not like going through a facility where they will require you to go to regular AA/NA meetings. Mind you, I'm not against AA/NA; in fact, I attend meetings three days a week and I have a sponsor. But you say you have five kids so I would imagine that adding meetings to your busy schedule could prove difficult...Again, I'm so sorry about your situation and I hope that you will refrain from self-recrimination and doubt at this time. You have enough to worry about as it is; save your analytical skills for a time when you are strong enough to use them effectively. Good luck to you ... Jan

I am now on day 16 off subs and still feeling some affects such as sweats and very low energy. Valium helps the anxiety not klonopin,also Trazadone for RLS and sleep. I should also tell you that the first 7 days I was in the ER twice. please try not to use opiates! Good luck and God bless

If you can raise 5 kids you CAN do this! By the way clonadine and tramadol did'nt work for me either. I'm on day 16 and still tired and I still get sweats. See if you can get your hands on some Valium and Trazadone. if you cant eat drink ensure and take a good vitamin. Oh, and lots of water! I'll keep you in my prayers. please keep me up to date. This is absolutely the best thing you can do for your kids!!!

Janiam..you are so full of sh*t and a really smug as****e. People are on here for help, not to be criticized..you want to live the rest of you're life with orange han dcuffs ? Fine. Most of us here dont so take you're trash advice elsewhere.

I know this an old thread, but for whoever is reading now... All I can say is good luck coming off the suboxone. Like many here, I found it worse than coming off anything else--oxy, Vicodin, etc. I can't speak from personal experience, but I've heard from many people who thought it was worse than coming off heroin. For me, it was just pure hell--and an expensive hell at that. As for help from my doctor, well, he's the one who ramped up my narcotics when I wanted to dose down. Only when I was hopelessly addicted did he give me the suboxone, which I can only describe as months of hell where I prayed for death. In the end, the only thing that helped me was ibogaine. It's illegal in the U.S., and in fact, my doctor had never heard of it. It's not a miracle, but to break an addiction cleanly without the hell of withdrawal, it's the best thing out there. Unfortunately, suboxone stays in your system so long I had to go back to oxycodone before I cold use it, but in the end, it was the only thing that worked. Google it and see what you find. It will never be legal in the U.S. because it's a one-dose drug--you won't spend months or years on suboxone or methadone. Hence--there is no money to be made. I really hope suboxone is the answer for you, but from what I know, your doctor is doing you no favors at the level you are taking it. Suboxone can be effective if used short-term with a quick taper, but when you get into long-term use, you really are trading one addiction for another. You may be just thrilled now, but wait until you try to get off it. I wouldn't wait too long if I were you. Also, I recently joined the ranks of the uninsured, so I couldn't afford that much suboxone anyway. Your doc will keep you on it as long as your insurance company is willing to pay. Suboxone is expensive as hell, but it's still cheaper than therapy. Funny how insurance companies and doctors always look for a solution in pill form first. I guess we as consumers are to blame as well--it's what we've come to expect. Anyway, my point is, good insurance doesn't ensure good care. And pain docs have a vested interest in keeping you on drugs--they don't give a %$#$% if it's Oxy or suboxone or methadone. Whatever keeps you coming back. Now if you do have a doctor you trust, and you have good insurance, by all means, involve that doctor. (Or find one.) Unfortunately, none of my doctors helped me at all--and I did seek their assistance--I had to find help on my own. But don't trust me. Google ibogaine and read as much as you can. It could be the future of addiction treatment (or at least another option) if only it could make a profit for someone...

Thank you--I love the "orange handcuffs" analogy--quite apt. Suboxone is evil. There is no magic bullet, for sure. But I'd rather sh!t glass than ever touch the evil orange stuff again!

There is no magic bullet but here is what i do to avoid severe withdrawl from percocet 30 mg . Depending on your daily dosage and the amount of time you been using. Wait until your sick then take a sub. or 2 if needed. that gets me through a day or two. then take another sub a day or two later. then stop!!! Thats 3 to 4 days of no opiates and you havent taken enough subs at this point to be physically dependent. you will still feel withdrawl symptoms but now you should be in a mild state of wd. and Thats easy to get through. use some natural cleansers take some sleeping aids . boom !!! Good to go . again you will still be a little sick but its nothing compared to severe wd. i.e. cold turkey... yeah right!! I cant do it... hope this helps.

I will tell you that you will end up addicted to tamadol too. I was on tramadol and had withdrawals really bad for a week. They are hard to get off too. I just wanted to warn you.. they work great but make sure you wean off of those too and don't take too much they can make u have seizures.

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I'm reading you guys stories about quiting subs. I used to think they were the best thing but that was when I didn't have any opietes but now I've been on them about 3yrs mayb 4 and I'm convinced there the devil .ive only ever taken a half of an 8mg on a daily basis sometimes a whole 8 but that's just foolish. Today I woke up I have no subs no $ my sister went on vacation 3 weeks ago and left her subs home she had anxiety attack on the plane but she home and it's been 4 weeks she stopped now she still takes Zanex but no more subs she inspires me to stop . I did ask if she had a half she can give me but she gave me what looks to me mayb a little more than a Half of a half I'm convinced it's not gona do c**p so I plan on not taking it I feel completely fine but I know these things have a afterlife so that's probly why I'm not expierencing anything but I'm dreading tonight cause those leg pains are the worst and I wish them on nobody. I really hope I can get off of these things but sleep is somting I love at night an I'm pretty sure I won't be getting any an the restless legs are enough for me to probly take the piece I have but I need to stop these things. I think what help my sister was that was on an island and she swet it out of her system in that 100degree heat and I'm in nj an it's freezing but my uncle has a sauna an I think I should mayb try it out. Anyway wish me luck an I hope everyone who is struggling with an addiction can come to reality and try to come off . Any suggestions or advise I'm completely open to . Thank you

tramadol withdrawl is by far the worst withdrawl I have ever experienced. Worse then any opiate. I am contemplating suboxone, but have already withdrawn from opiates. I just have cravings for opiates all the time that I find to be very hard to deal with. I suffer from constant pain and my sub doctor thinks that the the suboxone is the best way to go. But after reading all the material, I think I may just deal with the cravings.

hi , i was a opiate addict for 23yrs i took 6 30mg of oxicodone @ 3 40mg of oxicotin daily finally, went to hospital for 4days to detox where they startedmeon 16mg of suboxone per day clean now for 3yrs, but i graduately taper down to 1mg daily, i have to take the 1mg but i feel great, take it from me please dont start taking opiates again because you will fall back into be additive to opiates, i currently been seeing a phycologist for 3yrs and this is the solution im sharing with you, lots of luck and let me know how you make out, ralph

Do not get on suboxone , it is a devil drug, i know, I was on it for 7 years.

I agree and yes it takes 1 to 2 months to get out of systems . I did the same with 30s for 5 yrs strong and never had this much of problem getting off those as much as sub's . hang in their it gets better after month 3 god bless you in the struggle