suboxone withdrawal after 12 months

I feel the same. I was on 8-10 mg xanax for about a year or two and started to take alot of codeine cough syrup which then led me into taking norcos, only about 5 a day. I put myself into a program called cdrp at kaiser where they weened me off the xanax with valium and at the same time out me on 1mg of subutex. Honeltly the sub got me high but in more of an awake way. I would throw up if I didnt take it on a full stomach at first. THAT sh*t MADE MY JAW CHATTER ALL DAY LONG. Like I was high on opiateS but not your typical high. I got off the valium after about a month taper and was advised to keep taking the subutex. I was on the sub for a couple more months and felt like i had accomplished nothing because I still had a monkey on my back every f*****g day at the same f*****g time every f*****g day! So I told my doc a cdr f*****g p to get me off this sh*t. It took me months JUST TO TAPER!!! This sh*t is f*****g addictive!!! 10000 times worse than xanax, I KNOW I WAS ON 8mg per day and had no prob getting off with a supervised valium taper. Now, after about 4 months since I kicked the sub I STILL FEEL LIKE sh*t. I HAVE NO APPETITE. I HAVE NOOOOOOO ENERGY OR MOTIVATION. I GET VERY AGGRIVATED VERY VERY EASILY. I FEEL SO STRESSED OUT ITS LIKE IM STARTING TO LOSE MY HAIR AND IM ONLY 21!!!!!! MY G/F OF 4 YEARS LEFT ME BECAUSE SHE CANT TAKE MY sh*t ANYMORE. THE ONLY THING THAT HELPS ME IS SATIVA MARIJUANA. IT HAS TO BE A SATIVA. IT MAKES YOU FEEL NORMAL AGAIN. I KNOW FOR A 100% FACT THAT BUPRENORPHINE CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE!!! IF YOUR THINKING ABOUT TAKING IT OR ARE ON IT DONT TAKE IT AND GET THE f**k OFF THAT sh*t ASAP TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF BRAIN DAMAGE YOU GET. AFTER ABOUT 4 MONTHS I MAYBE FEEL ABOUT 20 PERCENT BETTER SO I DONT THINK IS HOPELESS. DONT LOSE HOPE. WHAT WE ALL MUST MUST MUST LEARN FROM THIS IS THAT THE PHARMA INDUSTY IS PURE EVIL. THEY HAVE EVEN CORRUPTED REHABILITATION FACILITIES BY GETTING PEOPLE HOOKED ON THINGS THAT WERE WORSE THAN WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET OFF. WHAT WE ALL MUST DO IS REALIZE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO US AND FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS TO THE DEATH. DEVOTE YOUR LIVES TO EXPOSING THESE MOTHERFUCKING DEVILS. DOCTORS, HMO'S, PHARMA COMPANIES ESPECIALLY, THEY MUST ALL BE EXPOSED! THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GET ON PILLS EVERYDAY JUST LIKE WE DID THINKING THAT THEY WERE SAFE BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING FROM A DOCTOR OR COMING FROM KAISER. THIS sh*t IS NOT RIGHT AND THIS sh*t IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS PEOPLE LIKE US GET OFF OUR ASSES AND START TELLING PEOPLE. THESE COMPANIES ARE GETTING FILTHY RICH OFF OUR SUFFERING. THEY ARE 100% EVIL AND MUST BE STOPPED!!!

I feel the same. I was on 8-10 mg xanax for about a year or two and started to take alot of codeine cough syrup which then led me into taking norcos, only about 5 a day. I put myself into a program called cdrp at kaiser where they weened me off the xanax with valium and at the same time out me on 1mg of subutex. Honeltly the sub got me high but in more of an awake way. I would throw up if I didnt take it on a full stomach at first. THAT sh*t MADE MY JAW CHATTER ALL DAY LONG. Like I was high on opiateS but not your typical high. I got off the valium after about a month taper and was advised to keep taking the subutex. I was on the sub for a couple more months and felt like i had accomplished nothing because I still had a monkey on my back every f*****g day at the same f*****g time every f*****g day! So I told my doc a cdr f*****g p to get me off this sh*t. It took me months JUST TO TAPER!!! This sh*t is f*****g addictive!!! 10000 times worse than xanax, I KNOW I WAS ON 8mg per day and had no prob getting off with a supervised valium taper. Now, after about 4 months since I kicked the sub I STILL FEEL LIKE sh*t. I HAVE NO APPETITE. I HAVE NOOOOOOO ENERGY OR MOTIVATION. I GET VERY AGGRIVATED VERY VERY EASILY. I FEEL SO STRESSED OUT ITS LIKE IM STARTING TO LOSE MY HAIR AND IM ONLY 21!!!!!! MY G/F OF 4 YEARS LEFT ME BECAUSE SHE CANT TAKE MY sh*t ANYMORE. THE ONLY THING THAT HELPS ME IS SATIVA MARIJUANA. IT HAS TO BE A SATIVA. IT MAKES YOU FEEL NORMAL AGAIN. I KNOW FOR A 100% FACT THAT BUPRENORPHINE CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE!!! IF YOUR THINKING ABOUT TAKING IT OR ARE ON IT DONT TAKE IT AND GET THE f**k OFF THAT sh*t ASAP TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF BRAIN DAMAGE YOU GET. AFTER ABOUT 4 MONTHS I MAYBE FEEL ABOUT 20 PERCENT BETTER SO I DONT THINK IS HOPELESS. DONT LOSE HOPE. WHAT WE ALL MUST MUST MUST LEARN FROM THIS IS THAT THE PHARMA INDUSTY IS PURE EVIL. THEY HAVE EVEN CORRUPTED REHABILITATION FACILITIES BY GETTING PEOPLE HOOKED ON THINGS THAT WERE WORSE THAN WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET OFF. WHAT WE ALL MUST DO IS REALIZE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO US AND FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS TO THE DEATH. DEVOTE YOUR LIVES TO EXPOSING THESE MOTHERFUCKING DEVILS. DOCTORS, HMO'S, PHARMA COMPANIES ESPECIALLY, THEY MUST ALL BE EXPOSED! THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GET ON PILLS EVERYDAY JUST LIKE WE DID THINKING THAT THEY WERE SAFE BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING FROM A DOCTOR OR COMING FROM KAISER. THIS sh*t IS NOT RIGHT AND THIS sh*t IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS PEOPLE LIKE US GET OFF OUR ASSES AND START TELLING PEOPLE. THESE COMPANIES ARE GETTING FILTHY RICH OFF OUR SUFFERING. THEY ARE 100% EVIL AND MUST BE STOPPED!!!111

will suboxone save my life...i have been on methadone,norco,adderall for years

Hi my name is Leah yes have some balls if i can do this anyone can i use to complain all the time over the symptoms I was having. Now i am 24 i have wasted 5 years strait on opiots started with abuse of tabs 6 mths then heroin iv 9 mths then methadone 2yrs xanax 1 yr then suboxone 2yrs. I have 3 kids did have 4 my daughter died of sids maybe drug related maybe not. i am a single mother and have managed by the skin of my teeth not loosing my kids to foster care. On feb 24 2010 3 wks ago i went to michigan and was rapid detoxed joke all that s*** does is makes your tolerance to drugs like your a virgin to them. i now am clean and hate drugs so bad i am still somewhat uncomfortable if i did't have as many responsibilities would prob make it easier. I am day 23 this morning i don't yawn anymore i don't have diarhea i see the world again and it is beautiful all i am now is somewhat lethargic and my legs cramp time to time but i see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have already come off taking 40 2mg xanax a day 7 mths ago. And suboxone was harder it has been the hardest thing besides loosing my daughter that i have went thru. But everyone has a story and this is mine and i hope someone out there will read this and change there mind and and have the courage to stop suboxone it is not the magic drug and is not the answer you are the answer.

suboxone isn't evil.... It has saved lives. But perhaps the doctors should be more honest with some of you. Or you could do like me and research the hell out of something before you put it in your body. I knew the horror stories and still chose to go on suboxone and I have no regrets. I am only on DAY 11 of detox and I feel great.... the majority of the sickness has subsided although I am experiencings some chills and yawning, and at night restless legs but not nearly as bad as they were. Yes it sux but at some point on this opiate addict journey you are gonna have to pay the piper. And sub withdrawals last longer but they are milder. The drug is not evil I promise. You will hate life while you are going thru it, but you will get thru it, and you will feel like yourself again. I didn't throw up, I didn't have diarrhea, nothing of what you hear from herion withdrawals. Getting on sub is part of the solution, then getting out of the lifestyle and getting help is another part, then you wean, then quit.

I don't know if I see it as people being weak and whiny and complaining, i think they just need to talk about how they feel and what they are

going through. I don't think they should be scorned, I think they (myself included) have decided to get their lives back on track and should be

proud of their courage to make the right choice and stick with it, yes they are going through rough symptoms right now but they need to hear

that it's ok to feel that way and that we are all feeling this way and that it will improve with time, we need to be supportive,

I'm withdrawing from sub's-
Aweful, taking flexural and iboprophen, plus ultram, which is not a controlled substance, but is an opiate derivative-am I kidding myself with the ultram?
Yesterday, I felt great, today, day 7, feel like s?!t, crawling skin, exhausted to my bone marrow-tell me this goes away and I have not screwed it with the ultram

dude, withdrawal from Sub is the same as methadone, I am on day 40 of quitting methadone, it the pain will go away after 2 weeks but you will be real, real weak. It takes at least a month to feel semi-normal but it will happen, I am living proof, been there

Too all of you out there withdrawing from suboxone I feel your pain but someone posted that suboxone withdrawals are as bad or worse than methadone I hate to burst your bubble but I have been addicted to xanaxs and methadone for the last 8 years thats not including the 5 years of hydrocodone abuse so all together 13 years of pill abuse. I have detoxed every way possible off every drug there is and methadone is absolutly the HARDEST DRUG TO WITHDRAW FROM THAT THERE IS . and without suboxone it would not be possible for me to get clean. It takes so long to go through methadone withdrawals I was in rehab for 71 days and still felt like sh*t when I got out. I hate the fact that docs and pharmaceutical companys dont give a **** about the drugs there prescribing but I have to accept the fact that I knew what to say and how to get anything from any doc I ever saw. Most docs don't know ***about how addicting a pill is or they choose not to care. But in the end we never had to swallow any of those pills did we. It sucks going through anykind of withdrawal from pills and not alot of people even docs understand. Unless uve been through it you have no Idea how badly it ruins your life and those you love. But I do believe that we all need alot of support and hear goes WE ALL NEED A HIGHER POWER TO BEAT THE DRAGON OFF OUR BACKS. WE AR NOT STRONG ENOUGH ALONE TO BEAT THIS. I KNOW IM NOT. I like NA and AA meetings theres alot of support in the rooms and believe it were all the same a drug is a drug and alcohol is a drug. Were all addicts of one kind or another,. God Bless everyone of you sorry if I sound harsh been doing this deal for 27 years everyday f***cked up one way or another if anyone wants to personally email me feel free.

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I agree with the dude about methadone being the hardest to withdraw from, at the clinic I went to 99% of the people stayed on the meth because the withdrawal was too hellish, the stuff eats holes in your brain just as bad as the opiates do !!!!!!! I got off it from 3 mg and that was hell !!!!!!

i dont know about this whole thing saying that withdrwl dont start for 72 hours... i recently lost my script or it was stolen and now im taking pieces of the two 8s i had left. it hasnt even been 24 hours and im starting to wd. ok its not that bad yet but im starting. i know its not in my head cause i have kept busy all day but still feel it. i even had to stop and ask myself earlier why the hell am i starting to feel dope sick? oh yeah its cause i only took a quarter of an 8 last night. i just dealt with precipitated wd last month when i switched from methadone to suboxone. my dr told me switch after 24 of last methadone dose(65mg) and id notice nothing. i wished i could kill him. i called him and told him what i was going through which felt like death itself. no regular withdrwl can even come close to comparing. the ONLY thing about it tht was better is, you didnt have to wait a couple of days to feel the worst part. the worst is right away and SLOWLY gets better. i just fear that even though this may not be as bad coming off subs, its going to get alot worse before it gets better. also i missed a court date last week so i think they might put me in jail for a few days/weeks when i go back in 3 days and ill have to deal with this in county. trust me though i may read some of these posts while im sick, but you wont find me freaking out on here. IT ONLY SCARES OTHER PEOPLE! i appreciate the positive posts. you make it feel like i can do this. i just hope i can be strong enough not to go buy some subs from someone and get back on a higher dose. i was only taking 4 mg a day and have been fine but when you lose your script only to have 2 that you stashed, slowly weaning off isnt an option. i took a 1/4 last night and only have a 1/4 left. i guess ill try to take half that and split that1/8 in half again till its basically dust. have no other choice. wish me luck. ill try to be a trooper. all i know is, if im off totally by the time my next drs appt comes in 10 days, im not goin.ive been off dope for like 2 years now. i got off with methadone and i just dont want to have any "habit" anymore, even if its leagal. they say getting off opiates for good is less likely than surviving leukemia. we will see!!! oh and just read acouple more posts.-if you are sicker coming off suboxone than you were coming off pills or dope, you shoulda never got on subs anyway. detoxes woulda done it for you, you were just looking for a painless way out and once you have a habit, that not possible. i know this wont be a s bad as a half to full gram of shooting good dope a day or methadone or precipitated wd. this will hurt, but just remember no matter how bad it gets, it could always be worse. can you imagine amputation before anesthesia...?

BuIll start by sayin I was a heavy user of around 2-3 buns a day...or anywhere from 6-10 oc80s...or also my favorite 5 opana 40s...and had a number of overdoses in my life in started suboxone...april 4th of 2007 and tryin to come off it now in 2010 is f***ing hell in a hand bag...but like everyone else said tapper...come off slow&nut up and balls to the wall the rest&don't let ur idle mind wonder off to far bc once u get the taste in ur mouth&mind set to go get dope u get to start all over again..trust me I know...and it sucks&its to easy to do..quitings not or everyone would...so I'm in the next couple of weeks gona tapper completely off&see how its like I last 2weeks cold turkey off herion so I know I can pull this off bc I'm tired of a pill dictating how I live my life...makin up excuses to leave work for drug tests&meetings...meetings I don't like not for everyone I'm leavin this life behind me I don't wana talk ab it weekly andkeep it on my mind...so everyone else tryin to quit stay tough bc u can't quit for neone but urself...if u don't want too u nvr will ill keep u posted on how it feels

I have been using opiates about 5 yrs, pretty heavly the past 12-14 mths. I started weaning down 3 mths ago from roughly 240mgs of oxy (or whatever was around) to 60-90mgs a day. I went to a Dr. 3 wks ago who prescribes suboxone. I am priscibed 8mgs 3x daily, although i don't take that much. The main reason i went is because i have quit twice, 2 yrs ago for 7 mths and last NEw Years i quit for about 3mths. I get to where i'm feeling good and normal again then i trick myself into thinking i can use that one time. WHAT A JOKE. I come back every time worse off and using more. So, i thought maybe i would be better using suboxone instead of weaning off the oxy's and quiting. Since i have a history of relapsing. I'm sorry this is so long, i just want to give you all a little background. I've been taking the subs about 3 wks. I only take half, if that, of what i'm prescribed. Usually 4mgs twice a day, i've been fine w/ that amount, could probably take less. The dr. told me i need to stay on them at least 12 mths because it takes 7 mths for your opiate receptors to be normal and to recognize triggers and get cravings under control, etc. And I know everyone is different. I don't know what to think because i agree w/ most of you, that those dr.'s basically are just making $ keeping us on them, but i got to thinking also, is she right about some of things she told me? Is that why i would relapse? I understand that the withdrawls are worse the longing we take the sub's. I'm a little scared either way. My gut tells me to stop taking them, to wean off them asap. I don't know what to do. Do we know anyone who has stayed clean after suboxone? I know it's a fairly new drug. Does it actually help more than coming off opiates alone? I know i can get clean, i've done it before, but not off suboxone. I want to stay clean the rest of my life! I understand more about relapse than i did before. I have withdrawled alot lately. It feels good being on suboxone, but it sounds like it's not worth it. Thank you all so much for being here. I have been reading these type of forums for yrs, this is the first time i've ever posted one though. I hope i'm not discouraging anyone with my commints about relapse, but you guys can be prepared and educated about it. I wasn't and it happened and i've paid dearly for it. What do you all think about the reasons the dr.'s give to try to keep us on them. I would like some advice from people who have done it long term if you have or know someone. Thanks again and God Bless!

I will say that anyone that believes that suboxone is a wonderful drug they are completely wrong. I am on the 10th day of withdrawals and because

of how horrible I have been feeling, I never want to see that sh** again. If you ever need real help just do not replace one drug for the other it will

only make it worse.  Lots of rest, immodium, clodine, and if you can just taper yourself of slowly and it will help. I did it cold turkey and it is the worst

feeling in the world. Please everyone do not believe the legal drug pushers, the professionals we trust which are doctors. They are in it for the money and

do not care how we feel. Be really careful and question everything from the doctors, do not forget we are the ones paying them to get to feel like that.

how awful! Good Luck everyone, just get off the suboxone...

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