The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

Yay! Fight on!

Hang in There Gibson,

I dont like to disclose my life because I truly hate myself for my mistakes.  Just an FYI many years ago I withdrew from Methadone and I AM TELLING YOU IF I HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN I WOULD JUMP OFF A BRIDGE SOOOOOO WICKED.  Anyway I want to let you know I have been there before and yet I am here again.  Remember how bad your life was when you had to look for drugs on a daily basis how much danger you put yourself through, remember that lovely family that went through hell because they love you no matter what and were so scared to lose you.  And last remember people like me who really do care and I will be there for you for life if need be my friend.

By the way I am fourth day off sub and boy does it suck.  I am exhausted yet antsy.  What a horrid experience just counting the hours everyday.

 

I wish you weil

Patient1111

 

Appreciate the insight and forethought Patient, I needed that for sure. I am still strong, but I also have a doctor's appointment Monday for my annual physical. Hopefully that goes well and no issues.

After quitting, I do have my appetite, energy and motivation back, I'll admit a little on the cranky, edgy side of things. I am sure that is par for the course on what my body went through and trying to rebuild. Just thing a month-2 years I was dropping pills (sometimes up to 20 a day) and it was 'OK' - yeah right. Looking back, it wasn't alright. Either the pills were going to kill my organs and ultimately me or my life/family/career was going to fall apart.

I REALLY count on this board as being apart of my recovery and quitting the RX's, really do. The day by day Erin/Done and now you Patient really helps me appreciate the challenge you guys have.

In the end, the life saver for me was the Imodium. Some anti-diarrhea pill 'saved my butt' lol...lol. That's the trick.
No suboxone - nothing. Just some OTC remedy and DONE!

Erin / Done - hope you all are doing AOK, post and let me know where things are at, especially Done, haven't seen a post from you in a while.

Hello Gibson,

I hope you are having a better day.  i have been thinking about you and I think you should ask your doctor for an antidepressant like selexa, wellbuterin, paxil worked very good for me.  Just a thought.  I hope that God lays his hands on you to relieve you of this heartache.  Remember you are a good person who make a mistake and there is not one person out there that is perfect.  Hang in there and if you need to talk no matter what time of the day or night I will be here for you.

Erin/ Done I hope all is well with you as well.  I am sure I am much older than all of you so even though I am in the same boat as all of you I can offer some good advice due life experience.  So again if you are in trouble you can email me morning, noon and night.  I wish you well.

 

God Bless

Patient1111

 

Hey Gibby (haha) & Patient,

Sorry to hear you had a rough 4th day Patient and you too on yesterday. AT LEAST you two are truly in recovery! I'm sure your positive feelings/previous negative experiences have been whats getting you through this. For what its worth, I'm just so proud of you two.

Im on the merry go round. Taking .25 - .5 mg of sub still (same amount as always). I could get hands on OP's in a wk or so, but IDK if I should bother if I dont end up completing a change over or stopping. IDK what to do. Now Ive been back on sub for I guess a wk + roughly. I guess I could get them and actually take 5 mg's per day or something. IDK if I can control myself.

I had stopped posting as often only b/c of the holiday action. Its too funny. I wont get another vacation from work till July. Although I was off, I swear I was almost equally as busy as working both my regular jobs.

 

I feel like such a loser. I know once I get sober Ill never go back. Thats how I am. BUT, IDK why it takes me so much just to go for quitting. Thank god I didnt do higher MG's of the sub at least for all this time.

 

Have a good night!

Hey Erin,

Thank you for the words of encouragement.  Listen you will get there I know you will. I know how difficult it is having to work and try to get off.  I found that the Imodium actually works how crazy is that but I am assuming I will have to take laxatives on occasion also I ordered Kratom on line and that works as well gives you energy plus a sense of peace the imodium helps with the restless leg.  I am getting by and you will too when you are ready just know that I will be there for you every step of the way.

Good luck my friend and again email me anytime

Sincerely,

Patient

 

Hope you all are doing well and keeping the fight strong.

Patient - everything going well?

I tell ya... All the time since I quit, I see opiates being offered to me left/right while the whole time I was on them, could never find them? So dang weird. I enjoy turning it down and people are usually dumbfound by it.

I believe in Karma, but what a dousey .

Hello Gibson,

Thanks for thinking of me.  I have to tell you today has been great I have been taking Kratom in the day for energy and a couple imodium at night for restless leg.  I can't tell how grateful to you and God that I am able to get through this.  Lets face it there must be Godly intervention otherwise none of us would make it and intern there must be people like you who care enough to stay with people like me and see it through with me. I can't believe those people offering you OPs what the frick.  Don't they know  you are clean? Again I am so so grateful that you have stayed online with me and you are in my prayers.  I mean this if you are ever in a bind and need someone to talk to you know where to reach me.

 

Have a wonderful my friend

 

Patient

Hi Patient, Thank you so much for the encouragement and support!

I'm 28 BTW for conversation sake in reply to your other msg.

Anywho, Kratom...I bought 3 z's mos ago. Three diff strains, it just did nothing for me. I think it may be b/c of the sub still being in my system and the kratom dosage being too low. Normally on my regualr .25-1 mg per day of sub, I could take opiates and feel them still. I thought it was weird theat I didnt feel anything off the Kratom. I'm confident it was a repuable source. The addiction potential to Kratom scares me BUT in combatting WD's and with will power, it seems to be a great tool. Thats why I wanted to check it out.

I tried toss n wash and just couldnt do it b/c of the taste, texture, etc. I tried the tea which was more bearable, I tried the capsules and mixing powder in with applesauce or yogurt (for me is most bearable) but all w no/result. How has it worked for you and what method/strain/dosage?

 

@Jingledog1

OK! this is gonna be really long but ill tell you how to get off, and im very experienced and knowledgable, trust me. that doc is trying to just make money off you. i was a victim of that. you can just read my post right above yours but ill give you better instructions. if you stay on subs too long its WAY worse than coming off of oxycodone. you said your dose "isnt that high" but 8mg is A LOT. after you spend a long time on opiates you feel like you should have a ton of energy because thats how it is when your high. but when you take suboxone, if your at the "right" dose, you shouldnt feel too good. fact is, until your clean for at least 2 or 3 months your natural energy wont come back. ideally, your dose of suboxone should stay so low that pupils should be kind of big, not huge, but definitely not constricted. 400mg a day of oxycodone isnt enough to need 8mg, these docs like to over prescribe the sh*t out of subs. i was shooting 160mg of oxymorphone plus some heroin daily, and when you take oxymorphone IV, they say every 1.5mg equals about 30mg of IV'd oxycodone, so i was doing something compared to about 3,200mg of oxycodone a day. i know that sounds impossible but i started abusing opiates when i was 15 and never detoxed for like 7 years, and i always went bigger and bigger especially when i started IV use. i didnt even do roxys or oxys after a while because i couldnt do enough. id have to shoot up 4 or 5 times to stop my withdrawal and they cost too much. but anyways, when i detoxed, i started on 4mg of sub, thats it and i was doing a whole lot more than what you were. i still had chills and stuff for the first few days but after 8 or 9 days i was fine.

 

 

THREE BASIC GUIDELINES!!!!

1. When using suboxone, LESS IS MORE!!

2. STICK TO THE PLAN! Theres wiggle room in it, but dont f**k around too much. This is a serious matter.

3. Dont mentally refer to discomfort as "withdrawal" or "being sick"; Its hard but your not sick, your HEALING!

 

 

HERE ARE MY INSTRUCTIONS FOR YOU: ok, since suboxone is very potent and very long lasting and youve got a pretty high dose built up in you, and considering youve skipped a day before, i would start by not taking any for a day, longer if possible. when you cant stand it, start by taking a 1/2, then 1/2 the next day. after 2 days of taking 1/2 if your pupils arent huge (i mean like no color in your eyes) and your not sh**ting water and shivering, go to 1/3, then a 1/4 the next very day. stay at that dose another 2 days, then try 1/8 for 2 days. your not gonna feel GREAT, your might feel kinda lethargic and tired like you have to push harder to do things but you wont feel "sick". then go to 1/12 for 3 days (if you dont know how to measure that, you cut a half, fold the half halfway over like you would to make 3 peices, then cut those 3 in half. its simple but i realized it sounds hard so i thought id break it down lol), then 1/16 for 3-4 days. now, if you can have it and not take it, stop. i suggest you give your subs to someone you can trust. then go AT LEAST one day with out any, try more like 2 or 3 days because the 4th day is usually the worst but i swear it wont be that bad, mostly just feel kinda lazy and tired but just try to stay busy and you wont think about it. now after a few days if its worse than that as in you have chills and stuff, get who ever has your subs and take 1/16 OR LESS (less is more ; ] ). after that, however many days you made it without any, go at least one more day next time but just try to do without it. the sooner you stop completely, the sooner youll be back to your 100% self again.

as for me, it took me over 90 days to start feeling good waking up in the mornings, and about 6 or 7 months to feel how i do now, but like i said my abuse was f*****g off the charts. most doctors told me i wont ever completely feel like a "normal person". the plan i gave you is a good but longer than i did it because youve kind of screwed up starting so high. if you can, do it faster but take the same steps as i instructed, but step down faster as long as you feel decent. I know you posted this a couple weeks ago and youve probably been taking too much but if youve gone down, still do as i instructed but start at whatever dose your at.

my FINAL SUGGESTION, find some Narcotics Anonymous meetings to go to. most people on opiates say theyre just "physically dependent" and if they didnt have withdrawal they could stop and never go back. i could detox but never stay clean for long enough to actually even begin to feel back to myself. i always found my way back to it some way or another. but since i came to narcotics anonymous, ive stayed clean. its lame at first but after you do what they tell you and you realize youve been clean a while, youll understand. especially if you go and stay clean for a while, then stop going and relapse, then you really understand.

email me if you have questions cause theres a lot here to read through if you reply. same goes for anyone else who might need some help or advice....  

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GOOD LUCK!!!

I wish more people would make the suggestion about NA meetings. As you said, the physical withdrawal isn't the most difficult part - it's mostly mental. NA meeting really help with that. Better than counseling sometimes.

Hello Erin,

This is how i have been taking it.  First I bought the Black tea and used the whole pack in one day had an amazing effect of euphoria and the last few days I take Gold Standard 6 to 10 pills which seems to last six hours then I will do that again so I do that twice a day.  Now if I am taking the pills I do not drink the tea i can promise you will feel much better along with the miracle drug Imodium.  

Last night I had bit of a rough time but it was because I had to take laxatives but after an hour or two of restless leg I was fine.  When you take Kratom during days 10 through 20 you need to cut back by a pill or two and you should be fine.

 

Have a wonderful day and I am here for you

Patient1111

 

Patient - sounds like you are making great progress, keep it up! Awesome job with out a doubt!!

Still going strong here. One thing that really changed since quitting is how music sounds and affects you. Man, I miss that a lot. I like the old R&B (Motown music) and just sounds great. I think I am finally back to ground level now and completely out of the woods though I did have some PAWS hit me last week which the Imodium took care of that.

To the other posts, I would not recommend staying on subs, just too much misinformation out there and you can only benefit from folks on here that have been on it and through it and ultimately quitting. There is more info on here then any money-making-machine sub doc can give you.

Erin - sounds like you are turning a corner in a positive way, keep up the great work!

Just remember, day by day.

Don't worry about the destination, you will get there.

Enjoy the scenery too on the way to your goal.

Hi Gibson

Last night a had a bit of discomfort R/Ls so I ended up taking a Requip.  And hey its so funny you brought up the music thing I have been downloading my favorite songs which range from 60's music through current day.  You are right you totally get your emotion back but with me being Bi Polar the emotion is sometimes overwhelming.  How are you doing my friend?  Everything good wife, kids, job etc?

Hey thanks for being there for me May God Bless You!

Patient1111 

 

Literally LOL on the scenery! Thanks for the encouragement. I still wonder what dones up to??? Maybe she got back on the merry go round. I hope not :( . Gibson, how are you feeling lately?

Interesting on the Kratom, So I assume you didnt try it like the 1st day you were off sub? I wonder why it didnt do anything for me... IDK its strange. I should have tried the kratom after one of my on OP for 2 wk sperts.

My only option to get pills is coming up soon. IDK if its a waste of $ or if I could actually use them only to combat WD's. I gotta say, I havent tried too hard to simply just combat WD's. Though, the last time I got them was the longest they lasted which is a tiny hint of progress for me.

Hope everyone is doing well and have a good day