Darky, you gotta stay away from that best friend... if I had a way to get dope besides wandering aimlessly downtown, I woulda done it a long time ago. Friends have left me for this reason and I understand. They did the right thing. I'm sure your friend will understand too. Best of luck to you.
Shakes & Josh, are you guys feeling any better yet? This does'nt seem to be going away... I'm SO COLD!!!
Shakes & Josh, are you guys feeling any better yet? This does'nt seem to be going away... I'm SO COLD!!!
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Hi baby, yes I am, today is the first day I pretty much could concentrate on work and not get sucked down the rabbit hole. Try to find anything that can pick you up, music books, movies anything. Keep getting as much exercise as you can, at least it can keep your mind off of things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw (Alabama Shakes, Hold on)
Hang in there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw (Alabama Shakes, Hold on)
Hang in there!
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Thanks, Shakes. I'm glad you're feeling better! I just got in a long workout... I dropped to 88 pounds (from 97) in the first 14 days of my detox, so calorie burning was not an option until about 2 weeks ago. Now I'm up to 103 & I need to make sure the weight goes to the right places!! Not so cold anymore, for now, so now I'm gonna check out this Alabama Shakes. I've been listening to a lot of die antwoord... good stuff if you're into the obscure, or adorable little blonde girlies dressed up like pikachu! (haha)
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Hey, Shakes, Baby.
I spoke with my cousin today, he was also addicted to tramadol, but suddenly he received work promotion, and leaved our country. He only took stocks for two weeks. After that we had cold-turkey drop from tramadols. And he told me that he had stomach pains, headaches and deconcentration for two months every day. Now he is clean 7 months, he met a girl there and is very happy.
Damn, two months is a long time. :) But I think Iam getting better every hour. This morning I had horrible headaches, blured vision in the afternoon and diarrhea in the evening. Now I am OK. Hoping that you are fine also.
I was in a pet shelter today, and I will take a kitten next week. :) Small black panther kittie. :)
Also Baby, I gained some weight now while I am clean. But all goes in my belly, now I look like I have ball in my stomach. I am always hungry and in need of a chocolates. I guess thats normal.
One more question and I am off. I am hallucinating white shadows around me and sometimes some objects around me starts to move like melting. Is that a common WD symptom or my brain is fycked up?
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Yes, Darky. What your feeling is normal. Hallucinations, feeling & hearing your brain "buzzing" I went through all of that for the first month and a half. Your brain is ACTUALLY re-wiring itself, so I'm not sure if the buzzing I felt & heard were real or not. It felt real and it's normal. I also want to say that's awesome that you're adopting a kitty! I hate it when people buy their pets instead of adopting when there are so many animals in shelters. I have three cats & they've been a great comfort to me, but I've kinda been neglecting them since my detox. I just don't feel good & it's hard to make time to play with them & stuff. BUT... I think I have the most long-term habit of the worst medication to come off of, so I'm quite sure you'll do better than me. Good luck, sweetie. If you have any questions or want to talk, I'm here. I also found a link about nutritional therapy & opiate withdrawls. I'll post it in the morning. It's funny how much getting the right nutrition helps!
Thanks for being here, you guys. I felt so alone in this. I'm sorry that you're all going through bad stuff, but I'm glad we can kinda go through it together. :)
Thanks for being here, you guys. I felt so alone in this. I'm sorry that you're all going through bad stuff, but I'm glad we can kinda go through it together. :)
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Euphoria lyrics by Motopony, think I should not have set my alarm clock to wake to this song this morning, but it sounded nice last night. It is a hauntingly beautiful song, one we can truly understand where it is coming from... but waking up hearing this sent me reeling... think I just set myself back...
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Euphoria, Euphoria, you come at such a price
Every time I get a hold of you, I know I roll the dice
How far can I go from my pain before it takes my life?
Perhaps in death, Euphoria, you'll be forever mine
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
I wanna feel good too
When I deny your pleasure, I know a different man
To partake, will always break the motion of my plans
The long road or the shortcut, you're what I'm aiming at
Will I find you in the harvest, or from the devil's hand?
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
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want to hug myself in a corner and cry...now that is a one powerful song.
We are still paying euphoria's tab, with interest...don't know if I will ever feel good again, I hope so one day.....I hope my "different man" is a good man, cause if not, the devil is waiting with open arms and a grin on his face. :(...
Sorry I could not be more upbeat today, trying to pick myself up with a poem by D.H Lawrence titled Self Pity, it is true, it seems, animals are too busy with living to feel sorry for themselves;
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Euphoria, Euphoria, you come at such a price
Every time I get a hold of you, I know I roll the dice
How far can I go from my pain before it takes my life?
Perhaps in death, Euphoria, you'll be forever mine
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
I wanna feel good too
When I deny your pleasure, I know a different man
To partake, will always break the motion of my plans
The long road or the shortcut, you're what I'm aiming at
Will I find you in the harvest, or from the devil's hand?
Oooo, I wanna feel good too
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want to hug myself in a corner and cry...now that is a one powerful song.
We are still paying euphoria's tab, with interest...don't know if I will ever feel good again, I hope so one day.....I hope my "different man" is a good man, cause if not, the devil is waiting with open arms and a grin on his face. :(...
Sorry I could not be more upbeat today, trying to pick myself up with a poem by D.H Lawrence titled Self Pity, it is true, it seems, animals are too busy with living to feel sorry for themselves;
I never saw, a wild thing, sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough, without ever, having felt sorry for itself.Hey baby, maybe I will watch some more videos by die antwoord! My wife didn't know what to think when she saw I was watching them :)
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Hi there.
Ive just spoke with a doctor, and he told me that Hallucinations are common WD symptom after a long term legitimate drug use or abuse. And also they can occur as a ‘flashbacks’ from long time marijuana usage. I am smoking marijuana for 12 years.
Today was good day for me, I went to my casual drug store and the seller there, she was surprised that I wasnt buying tramadols, I bought my Vitamins instead. :) That was a lovely feeling. Now I must confront with my friends. I must tell them that I dont wanna be no longer addicted to pills. They will laugh at me at the first glance. :)
For now I am fine, but as always my brain is very tired and I have that blurry vision feeling and can hardly concentrate to anything. And I know that depression part will kill me, now I am with positive thoughts, but I know depression will hit me soon...
p.s.: This is a great place, I am reading your posts several times every day. :)
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Darky you stay strong. Maybe some of your friends will surprise you and respect your decision!
It does not matter what your friends think....
“Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because
Those Who Mind Don't Matter
and Those Who Matter Don't Mind.”
-- Dr. Seuss
It does not matter what your friends think....
“Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because
Those Who Mind Don't Matter
and Those Who Matter Don't Mind.”
-- Dr. Seuss
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Life is a series of tragedies, a parade of clowns and marching bands, jugglers and thieves. If you sit and watch it go by, your time will be stolen, if you choose to join the procession you’ll be just another clown, juggling cats trying to play a harmonica. Meow….damn I dropped another cat.
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okay, here's the link I said I'd post this morning. It would'nt let me copy & paste it for some reason...so I have to type this all out, UGH! http.www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90489 it is methadone specific, but I'm quite sure it could help everyone here. If the link does'nt work, the article is called "how to apply nutritional therapy to ease methadone withdrawl symptoms" So, you could just google that. There's lots of helpful info there. I checked out Alabama Shakes and ALMOST came back to warn you that you probably would'nt like die antwoord! Hehe. I hope you guys have a good day and really, check out that article! Damn... I just dropped another cat too. I better goxp
X's & O's,
Baby
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Hey, Baby.....feeling any better yet. Short moments!... Of couse I want it like I was years ago.....NOW!!!! But that's not happening. Still going steady. Road my mountian bike for 26 miles 2 days ago and thought I would be rewarded in my brain; but not really....:( I do get a few moments every once in awhile that are feelings of normalsy. My biggest issues are depression and not wanting to talk to anyone. Sounds cold don't it?.....Speaking of cold? It seems like I am cold all the time, I stick my apartment up to 85 deegres! Other then that, things are grand! I have no interest in turning back. One extra note: try no to trade moltrin or other OTC pain releivers, as I did in the early days of my withdrawal. You will be eating them like M&M's! If you do em, make sure you eat before you take em. 50 some days! Peace and the best to all!!! Josh
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Hey Josh, I think I'm feeling about the same as you, except theres NO WAY I could ride a bike for 26 miles!!! I don't know how you do it! Before the detox I was a hoopdancer, if you know what that is, but now my motor skills are completely screwed and I'm like a beginner again. I'm also FREEZING, even though it's in the 80's outside, but I've stopped sweating so much, which is nice, because it sucks to be soaking wet & cold!
My biggest issue is depression & isolation too. I don't want to talk to anyone, (I don't think it sounds cold, we're sick right now) but at the same time I need to talk to someone, but no one would understand why I'm not me anymore. I guess that's where you guys come in. :) I'm glad you have no intrest in turning back... I think about going back everyday, but after this 67 day hell I just can't, I guess. As far as the OTC pain relievers & sleep aids go, I'm already eating them like M&M's!! How are you not??
Oh bother, this has turned into a rant. Sorry. You should check out that nutritional therapy article. It helps...I think? Congrats on your 50 something days, dear. This should be over soon! *crosses fingers*
My biggest issue is depression & isolation too. I don't want to talk to anyone, (I don't think it sounds cold, we're sick right now) but at the same time I need to talk to someone, but no one would understand why I'm not me anymore. I guess that's where you guys come in. :) I'm glad you have no intrest in turning back... I think about going back everyday, but after this 67 day hell I just can't, I guess. As far as the OTC pain relievers & sleep aids go, I'm already eating them like M&M's!! How are you not??
Oh bother, this has turned into a rant. Sorry. You should check out that nutritional therapy article. It helps...I think? Congrats on your 50 something days, dear. This should be over soon! *crosses fingers*
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Rant away.....I am not sure how I mountian bike that far either. It was a habit when I had the oxie habit. But I used to be able to do it days in a row. I tried to go two days in a row, and NO way. And after I do bike, I am soooooo tired for days...:(....Ick!////Yep I still get the night sweats and the first month I was doing the same as you with sweat and cold and sweat and cold. It has gotten better, in that area. My first month, when I would walk daily; I felt like I was learning to walk all over again. I would trip and not walk in a straight line. Not fun. Congrats on your 67 days, everything I have read sez that Methadone is a longer recovery......The OTC P relievers; they seemed to be giving me more pain. I still do asprin, but in the form of alkaseser (not spelled right). They are easier on my stomach. We should both be over soon......:)....
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Hi mojo,
Its interesting to read this post as I have also used Kratom(crushed Bali leaves) to help with withdrawal symptoms!
You are spot on about adding the powder to hot water and drinking it down as fast as you can because like you said it tastes like mud.
I would actually take a gulp and chase it with orange juice. I read somewhere that orange juice actually helps with enhancing the alkoloids in the kratom!
If i understand correctly, kratom works by attaching to the muOPIOID receptors, much like the actions of Suboxine.
I had gone down the suboxine route a couple years after being on first, 10mg hydrocodone a couple times a day to eventually taking up to 10-12 roxicodone30mg pills a day. This was over 3-4 years before i decided to get help. I was put on 8mg suboxine a day to start eventually weening all the way down to the smallest amount possible to take over about a 8 month timespan.
I remember the first 3 days of starting the treatment being mostly fatigued, slight restless legs, some sleep issues and minor anxiety, but didn't mind knowing how much worse it could have been! I didn't get hooked or high of the suboxine like some people have reported, so it wasnt hard when the time came to come off them for good!
I have had some minor relapses though after all that with nothing more than a few 5mg-7.5mg hyrdo's here and there, but would use the kratom powder for a couple days and all was good!
I do know that people have become addicted to kratom if they abuse it. So you do have to be somewhat careful with this herb. It also has a stimulating effect to it as well, and will enhance feelings of stimulation if you take in caffeine for example(can make one cup of coffee feel like 3-4).
But overall, I feel that it can easily be used as another helpful "tool" for someone withdrawing from opioids!
Its interesting to read this post as I have also used Kratom(crushed Bali leaves) to help with withdrawal symptoms!
You are spot on about adding the powder to hot water and drinking it down as fast as you can because like you said it tastes like mud.
I would actually take a gulp and chase it with orange juice. I read somewhere that orange juice actually helps with enhancing the alkoloids in the kratom!
If i understand correctly, kratom works by attaching to the muOPIOID receptors, much like the actions of Suboxine.
I had gone down the suboxine route a couple years after being on first, 10mg hydrocodone a couple times a day to eventually taking up to 10-12 roxicodone30mg pills a day. This was over 3-4 years before i decided to get help. I was put on 8mg suboxine a day to start eventually weening all the way down to the smallest amount possible to take over about a 8 month timespan.
I remember the first 3 days of starting the treatment being mostly fatigued, slight restless legs, some sleep issues and minor anxiety, but didn't mind knowing how much worse it could have been! I didn't get hooked or high of the suboxine like some people have reported, so it wasnt hard when the time came to come off them for good!
I have had some minor relapses though after all that with nothing more than a few 5mg-7.5mg hyrdo's here and there, but would use the kratom powder for a couple days and all was good!
I do know that people have become addicted to kratom if they abuse it. So you do have to be somewhat careful with this herb. It also has a stimulating effect to it as well, and will enhance feelings of stimulation if you take in caffeine for example(can make one cup of coffee feel like 3-4).
But overall, I feel that it can easily be used as another helpful "tool" for someone withdrawing from opioids!
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