I hear what you're saying and I'm not doubting that it works. That's not my issue but those who choose to live an all natural life style will probably get what I'm saying. I just don't see how a product can be so 'natural' when it has been modified. Are people really that brainwashed? No disrespect to anyone but it's only a question of logic. These MLM companies will glorify their products and in most cases, they really do work but nobody is talking about the long term effects nor has anyone questioned 'What happens if they go out of business?'.
I spent the other night researching the side effects of it and there seems to be a relation with IBS AFTER people have already started to take Isogenix.
Meeting? No thanks. I read quite a bit and again, if it was fabricated in a company then it couldn't possibly be natural. SMH!
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I hear what you're saying and I'm not doubting that it works. That's not my issue but those who choose to live an all natural life style will probably get what I'm saying. I just don't see how a product can be so 'natural' when it has been modified. Are people really that brainwashed? No disrespect to anyone but it's only a question of logic. These MLM companies will glorify their products and in most cases, they really do work but nobody is talking about the long term effects nor has anyone questioned 'What happens if they go out of business?'.
I spent the other night researching the side effects of it and there seems to be a relation with IBS AFTER people have already started to take Isogenix.
Meeting? No thanks. I read quite a bit and again, if it was fabricated in a company then it couldn't possibly be natural. SMH!
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would an apple be okay to eat or does that have too much fructose? Fructose (especially when exercising) is good; High Fructose is what need to stay away from. When it comes to ready energy (it is called What More Energy for a reason) natural fruit sugars (and honey) are what will process best/fastest. Considering there is only 14g of sugar in a packet, that's about equal to a teaspoon of sugar. An 8oz glass of OJ has about 24g of fructose. BTW, could have less natural sugar if used sucralose or artificial sweeteners, but that would not be healthy.
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I forgot to mention: It's not hard to find the right foods. It's called DISCIPLINE and heading over to the natural health food store. More and more of them are popping in your neighborhood so it's not hard. AGAIN, people need to learn how to eat: portions, protein, the benefits of fruits, vegetables, organic apple cider vinegar, what's causing us to become ill?, is wheat actually good for YOU? dairy? soy? Once you start listening to your body, it comes naturally. I had to pay close attention to my body and found out that I was lactose intolerant for years. People say "Take those lactose pills. Works like a charm" but no thanks. People are so anxious to pop this pill and that pill, etc. when the cheapest and most effective way to shed the pounds is by educating yourself and knowing where to shop, cooking your meals too!
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I agree with you that living an all natural lifestyle would be ideal -- but is just that, an ideal. If you are picking your own fruit and growing your own veggies and grain for bread, more power to you. But if not, then suspect are eating plenty of modified food. Natural and modified are not mutually exclusive. Making up a meal in my kitchen modifies the food. Cooking modifies. Blending modifies. Chopping into little bits modifies. Key is how is modified. Cold filtered and spin drying to make something a powder that can then mix with water is modifying -- but not a 'fabrication' in my book….
All companies glorify their product -- that's their business -- but as you said, doesn't mean it doesn't work or that false claims. Is good to be skeptical (as was I), but proof is in doing it so can have first hand opinion -- whatever may be.
What I find interesting when people research anything, is that are ready to believe and take as the norm any negative info, but dismiss a preponderance of positive info as hype or marketing or falsehoods. So anyone that has an issue (and with any product there will be some -- I have an issue w a certain place's breakfast burritos :) is an expert, but those that have transforming experiences are dismissed just out to make money…. Perhaps they are promoting it because they believe in it, and what has done for them…. have you ever recommended a product or business based on your experience of it? Ever get repeat customer points or credits? Same idea, just possible to make a living promoting it -- as would if worked for someone else's company promoting their product for them. 80%+ of Isagenix users are only product users -- not distributors. So must be something to the product….
Yes there are good products and bad products. We are seeing right now what the long term affects are of what most people eat… After six years on this program, at 50 I have never been healthier. But that will be discounted by one person who had runny poopy that may or may have had nothing to do with the product (suspect you've had tummy troubles occasionally too, even tho have never used this :). I have personality coached dozens of people on the program, and my experience is the opposite, more often a bettering of issues.
Do or dont do what you will, but unless are willing to test it and have first hand experience (good or bad), then any opinion is invalid.
Best of wellness to you!
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I think the bottom line my friend is that some prefer to take the easy route (Isegenix) and others rather take a little more time and CHOOSE their foods in natural health food stores (By the way, have you ever visited one of those?)
Secondly, I didn't take in the norm. In fact, I'm having the product run by a naturalist. It's not about the 'the norm any negative info', it's just COMMON SENSE! There is a LACK of proper information on how to choose your fruits and vegetables (not sure how you deduced or what made you think I grow my own!?)
I think the ignorance on a healthy life style and anything related to health and nutrition, is extremely high. People really think that taking products such as Isegenix solves all their problems? Again, I've asked this question to several Isegenix consumers: WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COMPANY STOPS MAKING IT OR GOES OUT OF BUSINESS? What happens to all those DEPENDENT customers? It's LUDICROUS to think this product will help in the LONG TERM. Wouldn't it make sense to invest the time on learning about how to properly eat, which foods to stay way from?
Again, no disrespect but a 5 year could tell us that these products aren't good for us!!! The short term effects are GREAT. It would be interesting to see people come off it. That's
So again, COMMON SENSE is the main denominator here...not what some MLM company tells us! SMH
I say teach people to eat properly. Explain to them what's in their food, why people are gaining weight, the benefits of exercise, why are people ill. Teach them! To give them a PRODUCT and feed it to them and say 'This is the answer to ALL your problems'. LUDICROUS! But all the best to those who continue to take it.
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I also wanted to mention that some are even promoting to lose 15 pounds in 9 DAYS!!!!!! When losing weight, you're supposed to lose 1-2 a week. Do the math. Losing 15lbs in 9 days IS NOT HEALTHY!
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i agree that should not promote that -- is not proper to make such claims and would be outside the norm. Actually the 1-2 a week is fat loss -- is easy to lose more than 1-2 lbs a week. Key is what are losing.
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1) please try to spell the subject at hand properly.
2) of course have been to a health food store.
3) just because a product is in a 'health food store' doesn't mean it is healthy. Is no more validated then buying from an MLM.
4) I didnt deduce that actually grew your own -- just making a point that unless do, then have no factual idea the quality of what buying. Says is 'Organic'… is it really or just marketing hype from a company promoting it's product (in this case produce).
5) you are definitely correct on the lack of info -- actually lack of education, info is there -- on selecting produce and nutrition/healthy lifestyle. Part of that is that seems so complicated an a big transition for most -- hence why a program such as Isagenix can help that transition. It is a basis for learning about what is best for each person, and supports the transition. While Isagenix is nutritious enough that one could live on it, the idea is lead towards a lifestyle change, not a dependence. Anyone on the program should and is encouraged to invest in learning and making lifestyle changes. The program is not a diet for that very reason.
6) The company and the products have been around for nearly 13 years. How long a time frame do you suspect is appropriate? What happens when people come off of the program depends on what choices they make when/if they do -- if go back to previous habits, will return to previous situation. If continue with new lifestyle, will continue and maintain. Same as if go to the gym and exercise -- key is consistency not quick fix. Sure can have rapid results from either, but if don't stay the course, will not keep results.
7) common sense is the key. What I learned on this program about nutrition and performance is what led me to get certified in sports and exercise nutrition. And happy to say that the program fits solidly with what I learned in my education. Is now the basis for my coaching, along with eating properly, how the body works, benefits of exercise, why people are ill. If you don't think that those are aspects of the Isagenix program then I doubt the thoroughness of your research, as they are all key components of the coaching, and why the program is not available on store shelves.
At no time should anyone say or assume that any program is the answer to ALL your problems. There is no magic pill or potion -- is why Isagenix is a SYSTEM, not a diet or wonder juice. It is not something that one 'takes' but that one 'lives'. It is not a quick fix, tho yes some use it as such and rapid results are possible -- but as you know, if use as a quick fix, results will be temporary.
We are on the same page -- just I know more about the system than you do. Your knowledge and passion would be welcome -- the missing link is first hand knowledge and experience with the program.
May I suggest that you google: John Anderson Isagenix ; Michael Colgan (Colgan Institute) ; Bill Andrews Telomeres.
if nothing else will add to your general knowledge base, is interesting science.
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1) uh ok wtv?!
2) I'm not sure you have but if you say so and I never stated that everything in the natural food stores is better for you. Instead, I was merely suggesting that it's a better CHOICE!
3) So Isagenix is better?!?!?!? I gotta read the answer to this one
4) And Isagenix isn't a hype? Oh wait! Same question as 3. There's a patern here people :-)
6) MELALEUCA, MARY KAY, AMWAY have been around FOREVER. Not all their products are safe and they're still in business because it's word of mouth. Really? Think about it . Also, do yourself a favor. Look up STARVATION for the fun of it and tell me if you don't see any similarities with what you're ALL practicing now. What many of you fail to see is you've become DEPENDENT on these products.
7) Certified you say? I've seen certified instructors take steroids, creatine, whey protein to an excess and still think that's ok.
I'm not going to research people that FULLY support Isagenix. Really????
I rather get eat my fruits and vegetables, exercise regularly, than become a SLAVE to some product that promises 'short-term' results; that's what my common sense tells me. I didn't need it as a child, didn't need it as a teenager and guess what? I definitely won't need it now or in the future. I'll never become a slave to products. It infuriates me to see the amount of 'ignorant' people in this 'cult'-like company. Some truly intelligent people suckered in. I'm sure if they sold sh** in a bottle and said you'll lose 10lbs in 2 weeks people would flock to it to. Not the same you say? It sure is!!!!!
Have a look at the COMMENTS below from an M.D.:
A friend inquired about a product, Isagenix (actually a whole family of products) that is being pushed by the leader of her weight loss group, claiming that "The Isagenix cleanse is unique because it not only removes impurities at the cellular level, it builds the body up with incredible nutrition. Besides detoxing the body, Isagenix teaches people a wonderful lesson that they don't need to eat as much as they are accustom to and eating healthy choices are really important and also a lot of the food we are eating is nutritionally bankrupt."
I went through the website and watched the promotional videos. There is so much to criticize that I hardly know where to start. It's all misinformation, unsupported claims, testimonials, and money-making ploys.
I couldn't find a critique of Isagenix on the Web, but that's not surprising. No serious medical scientist would take it seriously enough to bother about it. And it's basically all been done before; it's just a slightly new wrinkle on an old scam. You will find some information on related products at:
You can also go to the quackwatch homepage and type in cleansing or type in detoxification.
The claims on the Isagenix website are a mishmash of pseudoscience, myth, misrepresentation, and outright lies. For example:
Americans are sicker than ever before.
Toxicity accounts for most diseases.
The body protects itself from toxins by coating them with fat, causing obesity. [The truth: some toxins are soluble in fat and can be taken into existing fat cells, but no new fat cells are created.]
The internal organs become clogged and deteriorate if you don't cleanse. Nutrients that cleanse, revitalize, rejuvenate - what does this even mean? The human body needs cleansing like air conditioners that need their filters changed and car engines that need oil changes. [This is nonsense: the human body cannot be compared to a machine: it is a living, self-regulating organism that does its own maintenance.]
They engage in scare-mongering about toxins, but provide no data to show that the tiny amounts we ingest lead to any significant adverse health effects. They also provide no evidence that their treatment actually removes any toxins from the body. Or that doing so would have any significant impact on health. There have been no properly controlled scientific studies of their "cleansing" treatments, only testimonials of the sort that abound on the Internet for hundreds of other ineffective products.
There is absolutely no rationale for the particular combination of ingredients in their products. They have LOTS of different products, and have included just about every nutrient and herbal remedy in existence: 242 of them! Some of these we know to be useless, some are potentially harmful, and we have no idea how the particular ingredients in the mixtures might interact for better or for worse.
They offer "ionic" minerals from "ancient plant deposits." Minerals are the same thing wherever they come from, and all "ionic" means is that it is in a form that can be absorbed - i.e. magnesium as milk of magnesia rather than as a lump of elemental magnesium metal.
They advertise "no caffeine added" for a product that contains green tea; green tea contains caffeine. They repeat the tired old myth that our food isn't as nutritious as in the "good old days." They put digestive enzymes in their products to help you assimilate them, not realizing that orally ingested digestive enzymes are themselves digested in the stomach before they can do anything. They say that their electrolytes "ignite the body's electrical system" - I have no idea what this means, and it certainly is not scientific terminology.
Their antioxidant mixture contains 15,000 IU of vitamin A as beta carotene plus 5000 IU as palmitate. The Medical Letter recently reviewed vitamin A and warned that no one should take high-dose beta carotene supplements, and that women should not take vitamin A supplements at all during pregnancy or after menopause. Among other things, they said: Vitamin A may also have pro-oxidant effects in vivo. A high intake of vitamin A from supplements and food has been associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in postmenopausal women and with teratogenicity when taken during early pregnancy. A placebo-controlled intervention trial in Finnish smokers found that 20 mg/day of a beta carotene supplement increased the incidence of lung cancer by 18%, which was statistically significant. Another large double blind intervention trial in smokers and asbestos exposed workers, terminated early because no benefit was demonstrated, found that combined therapy with 30 mg of beta carotene and 25,000 IU of vitamin A daily was associated with an increase in the incidence of lung cancer, cardiovascular mortality and total mortality.
The Medical Letter concluded: "A balanced diet rich in fruits and vegetables may be safer than taking vitamin supplements. No biologically active substance taken for a long term can be assumed to be free of risk."
Isagenix claims to promote weight loss. All treatments for weight loss work the same way: they get people to ingest fewer calories than they expend. There is no reason to think that a person who restricts calorie intake and exercises will lose any more weight if they add Isagenix products. Diuretic and laxative effects, psychological factors, and enthusiasm for a new method may initially fool people into thinking they have benefited.
Their medical advisor, Becky Natrajan, MD, tells us on a video presentation that she is "excited about results" but she does not say what those results are or why she thinks the results are due to the product rather than to diet, exercise and other factors. Perhaps her funniest argument is that the $5 a day Isagenix costs you is less expensive than open heart surgery. As if it were a simple choice between the two!
She tells you to contact the person who told you about Isagenix. And one of the headings on the website is "Wealth." There you will find out how you can sell products from your home and become an associate, a consultant or an executive with increasing levels of financial return. This sounds like a typical multilevel marketing scheme, typical of products that can't be marketed effectively based purely on their merits.
In short, Isagenix is a slick marketing enterprise that lines the promoters' pockets by selling baseless hope. There is a disclaimer on the website that should be taken very seriously: "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."
Harriet Hall, M.D.
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ya have seen that Harriet thing before --- she should try it too. Then her opinion is valid. Many experts swore the world was flat. Fat is bad for you. Bleeding with leaches is a way to heal sick people. Plague is caused by 'bad air'. If it really doesn't work, then she could prove it by testing it. In the meantime, she is doing reverse hype. Investigate her -- you'd be amazed at what else she doesn't think works… Notice that she is the only negative medical reference find when google… amazing how LITTLE negative can be found, actually. Here's an MD, previously a skeptic, tried it to get patient off his back, didnt want to promote, but did only because it worked and his patients demanded to know what he did himself -- but no, can't listen to him, his MD is not as worthy as Harriet's because he is now associated with the company -- but if wrote a prescription for a drug, that would be fine…. huh?!
Is SO much easier to be skeptical than actually experience. Why do we trust skeptics more than promoters? I recommend plenty of products and services to people all the time. If I like Subway sandwiches, is my opinion of them no longer valid if I open a franchise? If a product is on a store shelf it's trustworthy? Do you only eat at restaurants that no one recommends? Would you NOT go there because you know the owner, or your friend works there? Doesn't make sense. Yes there are and have been plenty of MLM companies that sold poor products, or were just money grabs. Is unfortunate for all. The same can be said in any industry. But to paint all with the same brush is plain ignorant.
There is nothing wrong with making money. The products work -- even if not for all, for far more than not. The company just had it's biggest week in its history -- 13 years. Something must be going right, and since it is a word of mouth biz, and therefore lives and dies by its products' effectiveness and reputation, longevity and continued growth are significant.
It's okay if you don't want to promote it -- just because I like Starbucks doesn't mean I have to own one. But I know a lot of people that wish they could….
I don't know what you do for a living, but if are employed, do you not care that you are making the company money, and that will never earn more than the higher ups? That's the definition of a pyramid scheme….
Yes you should look up the people I suggested -- because all of them have a reputation long earned before any association w this company. THEY HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF WRONG. Why would they fully support something that could ruin their previously earned reputation? I too was skeptical, but trusted my own first hand experience, which led me to THOROUGHLY investigate it further. Therefore I am more informed than someone that cruises the web searching for negative tidbits to support their biases (known as 'confirmation bias' -- you'll find what you are looking for -- and as you have seen, there isn't much to find in the negative.)
I agree with you that certifications don't guarantee wise choices -- but as am certified in nutrition, I wouldn't do or recommend any of the examples you cited -- but would recommend everything that you promoted… Nutrient density, intermittent fasting, calorie cycling, organic fruits and veggies…. same page we are overall!
It doesn't matter to me if you do the program or not; it does matter if you negate something that you have not personally experienced, just because you don't agree on the concept. The stuff works for most, I know how it works, it is real science, I have found no better product line in my research (and is a hobby to do such -- hey if there is something better, why not use/promote that?) despite my trying to. I understand and appreciate skepticism, hence why I had to test it myself. Research it fully -- read what the company says, then cross reference the science (articles at Isagenix Health are Referenced with sources. Are they all paid to promote, and by inference to sacrifice their reputations do to so? That's quite the conspiracy theory…
In summary, I agree with you on whole foods and discipline and such -- but if was that easy we wouldn't be in the mess we are as a society. Sometimes some folks need a program and structure to get started. Kudos to you that you don't. Just don't take it away from those that do. Go after the real junk out there -- the stuff on the shelves disguised as healthy food, and leave the stuff that is actually what is says it is, and does what is says it will, alone.
To your and everyone's health!
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and who do you expect to pay for studies? Note that research was done by a respected University and researcher. Sure if the results were unflattering, could certainly chose to not publish… but since is flattering…. it's out there.
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