SUBOXONE DETOX OVER... NO ENERGY

>;) today is day 8 off subs. I have never been so week and overwhelmed with body pain. I decided to try some no-explode for energy and strenght. I hate what i did to myself. 2 years on subs and many years on opiates. Picking it up is my biggest regret ever. I am laid off from construction now and it has been a blessing. My wife goes to work and my kids go to school. Im doing a lot of hot, hot jac baths, and stretching. Im in AA now for over 2 years however I cant sit still in meetings while my head pounds. It feels like sensory overload on my brain. I cant be among crowds due to lack of concentration and the spins. Still have the runs a little but not as bad as before. I must overcome this. I hate opiates, especially subs. The docs lie and extort drug addicts. We are all good people and deserve a 2nd chance. I have the Bible and the AA big book at my side. I have never had employment problems in life. God has seemed fit to give me this time to reflect and heal. As an addict I have hurt the ones I love the most. My wife is a wonderful women and a tower of strenght however I have no idea what the future holds in that dept. My son (10) and daughter (7) will always be my flesh and blood. That is what keeps me alive. Someday we may be called to help another person due to our suffering, that is a day I long for. I did this all to myself. My selfishness, arrogance, and pride told me I was different. Well look who is gettin his A** K***** now. I hope the vitimins and supplements supply the energy I need to just fake it till I make It. My pituitary damage will be assessed on Oct. 1, 2010. I am convinced it is due to my drug use. Withdraw and low testosterone are killing me. This is the fight of my life. PLEASE, TO EVERYONE WHO WAS ON THIS DRUG GO GET BLOOD WORK, YOU MAY HAVE DAMAGE YOU ARE UNAWARE OF. IE TESTOSTERONE. VERY LOW T IS A CLASSIC SIDE EFFECT AND CAN REALLY KNOCK YA DOWN. I wish everyone the best. My God Bless us all. I read psalm 144 v1 and v2. We are at war with our demons. Good day

I'm so glad to hear someone else talk about the sneezing! A normal sneeze (2-3x) is not what I'm talking about, but a range from 10-20 sneezes in a row (my Dad calls it my machine gun sneeze), and there's no stopping it. I've been off of suboxone for about 30 days, and still feel like I'm doing a methadone or heroin detox. I was assured that this would only take 3-5 days max. Everyone says it's in my head. Seizures and sneezing like that are not in my head. However, a nurse @ church (also on suboxone) tells me that our brains are so powerful that they can make us have those kind of detox symptoms. I say that's not true. I've detoxed enough times that I know the difference - Suboxone is not any easier than methadone as far as I'm concerned.

WOWWW! Here we go. MY SUCCESS STORY ON GETTING OFF OF SUBOXONE. first i want to say i was clean and sober for 13 years until i had a torn rotators cuff and i was put on more opiates then you can imagine and i picked up alcohol at the time also. 8 years of hell. i was brought to the ER by my 20 year old daughter. i was directed to a suboxone doctor. what a mistake. i was put on suboxone 16 mil. a day for 10 months until i decided i wanted off of this DEVIL DRUG. i weaned down to about 2 mil a day and went off until the 7th day and couldnt take the pain anymore, so i took an 8 mil. and started to wean again down to 2 mil a day and finally decided i am going to get off of this drug if its the last thing i do on this earth. 33 DAYS OFF OF SUBOXONE. first i bought a product online called withdrawal ease and followed the guide. my withdrawal nightmare. hot and cold, goosebump flesh, runs, weak, lathargic, legs and arms like marshmellows, sneezing, yawning, headaches, freezing cold, anxiety, sadness, INSOMNIA you name it i had it. WHAT I DID. I told my addiction that GOD is way stronger then it will ever be. i went through the pain knowing deep inside my soul that i would not feel like this forever. i drank more gatorade then you will ever imagine, i forced myself to eat and exercise, i went to AA meeting everynight even when i was sick as hell and always had a sense of calm when i was there. i am 33 DAYS OFF OF THIS NIGHTMARE OF A RIDE. IT GETS BETTER. just tell yourself this is just pain and it will not last forever. i today at 33 days off of this am not 100% but i will never stick one of those ORANGE DEVIL UNDER MY TONGUE AGAIN NEVER NEVER NEVER. this was the hardest thing i had to go through in my life. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY THOUGH, ITS 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU START TO FEEL BETTER, WHAT IS 30 DAYS COMPARED TO 8 YEARS OF HELL. if i can do this anyone in this world can do this, SURRENDER, I SURRENDER, I'M DONE LETTING PILLS RUN MY LIFE, i took 4 to 5 hot showers a day, i went and got a massage, gatorade, gatorade and more gatorade. water , water, water, going to the bathroom 50 times a day, but that is part of cleaning the system out. ONEDAY AT A TIME I AM GETTING THROUGH THIS, JUST DON'T TAKE IT FOR ONE DAY AT A TIME AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT TIME GOES BY, just don't get discourage when you don't feel good, just get through the day just knowing you are cleaning your system out and you are taking your life back and no pill is going to rule your life anymore. THIS CAN BE DONE DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE. SURRENDER. GET THROUGH THE PAIN. THE MIRACLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN DON'T GIVE IN. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU WHO WANTS TO END THIS NIGHTMARE. IT GETS BETTER I PROMISE YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

I started on Vics recreationally 10 years ago, graduated to oxys bout 3 years ago as my drug of choice. When I could find it I would take about 150 - 200mgs a day. When i couldnt I had a steady methadone hook up, always has some as a reserve. When thinkgs got really desperate I would take sub. However, it was getting old and I was sick of spending 500 dollars a week. 2 months ago I switched to subs and subs only. I found I only needed about 4 mg a day, and I planned on wheening because I thought I had a reliable sub connect. Well 1 day she decided not to sell me any (that was 18 days ago). I said screw it. I had other buddys who would help me out but I just wanted to do it and be free! Was it fun? Hell no. My legs felt like they were going to explode for the first 5 days, and sleep did not come. Emotions of just feeling like I needed to cry, extreme fatigue, yada yada.. HERES THE THING: YOU CAN DO IT! I went to work 6 out of the first 7 days of withdrawl(the worst of it). You just have to reallly realllly want it. I remember for months before I quit talking to my girlfriend about it but it came to a point where I would only feel good for 20 mins no matter how much OC I would take and then feel shitty pretty much the rest of the day. Everyone has there rock bottom. If you haven't reached your'es yet don't bother. If you have, you can do it, trust me.

Oh and yes, its day 18 clean, I still don't feel right, I get sweats, and bad fatigue, semi-depressed most of the day. I do notice it gets a little better though everyday. Day 18 and I'd say I'm 75% myself again. I just had an amazing passt few days with my gf feeling things emotionally and physically that I did not even remember feeling. Its like time is turning back and I'm 17 again (I'm 24). Good luck to everyone..If i had to guess it is probably at least a full month for most people until they are truly back to "normal".

Z - man

Hey. This is bizarre. All of these things are happening to me. I was on suboxone for a long tome and I stopped taking them 6 days ago. I have horrible chills, absolutely no energy and I have been able to sleep about two hours a night. I can't take this much longer. Can anybody help?

I take suboxone. the daily amount varies"between 2mg to 4 mgs a day"i live a normal life only my close friends and family know or have any idea i take them. i have a good job, though i work 60ish hours a week. im moving up the corp. chain of appleshmees dont want to tarnish the brand name. or at least don't want to get sued for it but yes it is your friendly neighborhood bar and grill. i make 40 to grand a year depending on bonuses. the reason i tell you this is to show i'm leading a good normal life now. its just that if i don't take my medicine i get sick. I have taken them daily for 3 to 2.5 years, can't quit remember when i started. i am prescribed by a doctor. i no longer have cravings for other opiates. i no longer feel any kind of high off the sub. but i just cant stop taking them. the withdraw isnt as strong as regular opiates but its a good 65 to 75 percent as bad. also instead of 3 days or even 2 weeks of withdraw its a month or more if you take it longer than 1.5 to 3 weeks it varies for each person. now if you want to get past the withdraw of say oxys "my personal past D.O.C. you could take at most 4mgs a day for 3 days then work your way down to nothing over the next 4 or 5 days. this will get u past the worst of the withdraw. youll still have cravings but if ur serious about getting sober u will deal with it. some doctors will try to get u to say on the for much longer say years like me. but if u do youll be trading in one addiction for another. and this withdraw u cant just get through taking a week off work. the reason im writing this at 230am in the morning is i had the urge to share this with the random people who stumble across this web page to WARN them. if youre serious about getting off opiates suboxone is a fine way to get through the initial WD " that means short term use, that means 1 to 1.5 weeks max" but if u like the way it feels and think hey this doc will write me legal scripts as long as my insurance is good and i can get high, with out worrying about it. you r wrong because the time will come where ur not high any more and u just have to take the stuff to be normal. u will want to quit but good luck getting a month or more off work to curl up in a horribly uncomfotably ball crying and shivering your self NOT to sleep. This is the life i live. i tried to stop once. i lasted 2 and a half weeks and the withdraw was still getting worse so i gave in. I cant just quit my job and f up my credit and put my family into crazy amounts of debit because of my stupid mistakes. yeah they might understand and support me but will i be able to deal with the guilt of that. Please PLEASE please consider these warnings before taking suboxone. It could work with the right support on a very short term basis but don't trade a illegal addiction for a legal one. after a while youll see the chains and realize youre even more trapped than u were before, a slave now not just to a drug but also to those money grubbing doctors. I wish someone had told me this when i foolishly thought i had found the answers to my problem with op addiction. a legal high''AFTER AWHILE IT DOESN'T GET U HIGH ANYMORE BUT BELEIVE ME YOULL STILL WITHDRAW IF U DONT TAKE IT"
that is Disguised as a treatment program. DONT DO IT AND IF U HAVE TO DONT LET YOUR SELF DO IT FOR LONG.it can work but u better be damn careful and have some strong support or youll end up like me. Thats it, let me know if u have any questions about subs and ill give it to u straight, i wont fill ur head with false notions of how easy it is and will be during or after sub use. from the high to the withdraw ive got the answers. not sure what else to say but good luck if youre quitting and be Fing careful if ur starting!
END
JdO

I have just successfully quit it all...but I was trying to do this for 2 years! I was on the suboxone program, but found it just made it easy for me to use and have the antidote when I was done with a run...I am a 34 year old female, and had to stay with my mother!!!!! for 6 weeks to fully detox off subs and dope without distraction. It was not easy, I felt lethargic and sick and mentally slow, and had to take benzos to sleep and smoked a lot of pot(even though I hate it!), but I have been clean for the first time in years for over a month! I had to move out of state, as I knew too many dealers in the city I lived in, and I gained 15 pounds! But I am finally feeling like myself again, and it's worth all the BS. As far as having to move, etc., sometimes drastic times do call for drastic measures..it sucks, but so does having multiple drug dealers calling you all the time looking to rope you back in. People and places are just as much part of the detox as physical malaise...unfortunately, I had to lose a lot to get to where I am, but dwelling on that isn't gonna help. As far as P.A.W.S. goes, eat health food!!! Your brain and body are fried! Feed 'em some of the good stuff! Good luck!

it takes anywhere from 2-4 months to get rid of all the withdrawls symptoms if you been taking them more than a year. leg cramos are the worst, it sucks worse than than drug detox, i wanted to kill myself but i made it,,,,,just stay strong it will go away./

I am 39, turning 40 in January. And I've gotten off "dope" over 20x. The suboxone has worked best, but not as quickly as I was led to believe.
And I totally know what you mean about the dealers calling US / YOU! They wouldn't spit on us if there were a fire. Would never give a "customer" a break, or a front.
Yet, and I find this sooooo interesting (not!) when they've not heard from us in a while, "abbra cadabra," they call US. Just like any other business, they start figuring out that they've lost one of their most "loyal" customers, and even offer free-bees from $20 - $100.
They are disgusting people who only help us find a bottom, only to throw in a shovel so we can start digging in, and BOOM! - we dig until we find, yet another, "bottom."
I take so much comfort that these jerks will still be wondering about what happened. And suboxone is cheaper (so is Methadone, which I'd done numerous times). Add that to the facts: m-done and/or suboxone, we are now participating in the average lifestyle of "normal" people (and I have no idea what "normal" really is). Even w/a urine test (to start work, or cement a new-hire), we are legal w/a legal script. We are paying less $ than before (for either drug) and we don't catch hepatits c (I already had it, but some former users don't and risk it) and I was lucky to not get HIV. My liver is healthier than it's ever been and my Dr. says I'll die of natural causes, not from the Hep C. In regards to drug dealers, I have a great way to get rid of them but I won't post it on here. Thinking about it and doing/planning it are 2 different things. I stay busy w/my online university (fully accredited and holding a 3.53GPA) and try to do the right things. God Bless you for talking with internet friends (or strangers as the case may be) as sometimes, our history, testimony, or story may help other people. Not everyone gets it the 1st time, but eventually they will (whether it's jail/prison, a grave, or a success story. But even those that relapse, at least they have the tools to get clean again when they've decided they've had enough. I went from 100mg of methadone down to 4mg. After a few tortuous days, someone told me about suboxone - I went from 16, to 8, 4, 2, and now am at 1 milligram. This should be another good experience, especially considering I've moved and no longer know the "friends" I used to have. Even erased all their phone #'s - every last one. Sounds like you're really doing things right - good luck and God Bless!

hey, I've been on subs about the same length...tapered to approx .10 mg(a couple of specs/powder) for 1.5 weeks and stopped. I seems about the same as heroin withdrawal without the delerium and maddness. I'm on day 4. god I hope this gets better soon.....last night no sleep again...exausted. good luck!

hey, I've been on subs about the same length...tapered to approx .10 mg(a couple of specs/powder) for 1.5 weeks and stopped. I seems about the same as heroin withdrawal without the delerium and maddness. I'm on day 4. god I hope this gets better soon.....last night no sleep again...exausted. good luck!

hey, I've been on subs about the same length...tapered to approx .10 mg(a couple of specs/powder) for 1.5 weeks and stopped. I seems about the same as heroin withdrawal without the delerium and maddness. I'm on day 4. god I hope this gets better soon.....last night no sleep again...exausted. good luck!

I agree with what someone said about them reading only about 2 out of 10 posts that say you can get off of Suboxone. I was on oxycontin for a couple of years and did the usual switch over to H, for a good while. I have been taking Suboxone for about 8 months. I'm sick of having to depend on something so I decided to get off of it. I've been taking 2mg/day for a few months now, I tapered myself. I am now on day 3 without taking. The last few days I have of course been uncomfortable but it has not been ANYTHING NEAR kicking dope. Take a little dayquil throughout the day and some motrinPM at night and you'll be fine. THERE IS HOPE DONT LET ALL THESE STORIES SCARE YOU!

i hate sayin it like this BUT part of it really is in your head your brain is what reg. all those fun chemicals like dopamine. your mood will dictate how your body feels so try to keep positive. as a recovering addict myself i know that can be the most difficult part. this sounds totally crazy for helping lack of energy but try working out. it always helped me on the bad days and it will help you get a better night of sleep. also watch what you eat

I was on 24mg of subutex/suboxone a day when I first got off oxycontin - I was addicted to about 160 mg/day. Which is equilivent to 32 percocet tablets a day, but with no APAP - otherwise I'd be dead of liver failure. I am now down to 12 mg/day of subutex, 1/2 of my initial dose. Today I just reducted to 8 mg. I have been on Subutex for nearly 5.5 years at great expense and after going through several rehabs, of which all were awful, despite having health insurance etc.. I do agree that most doctors dont' care; however, if they have a patient who is insisting on staying on the drugs, and they are otherwise clean of other drugs it's hardly fair to blame them for your monthly visits and their cost. I hope to be off the Subutex within one year, that's my goal, and the doctor seems to think its reasonable. I'd advise anyone out there never to go near Methadone, unless you're so addicted you need it, then only stay on it short term ONLY. Methadone likely gave me a tiny pitutary tumor, which is messing with many endocrine functions of my body. Luckily, I look great for a 32yo guy who's been through hell. I'm looking for advice on exactly how much Subutex to cut from 8mg a day on my way to ZERO. I'm thinking stay at 8 for about 8 weeks, I just reduced today, then continue at 6mg. I wish everyone on this voyage the best.