Im have had such a hard time coming of of methadone , this being my secong time and now Im hearing that sunobone will be that bad too when readu to taper off. I still feel like shilt 5 days off methadonr and 3 on suboxone. Did I just get on another methadone? Im scared I need to hear something ggdo about suboxone if anyone has anything to shaR
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Hello, me and my boyfriend used suboxone because his sister sais it would let us have fun. But thats a NO GO. We threw up pretty much all of yesterday and i am better this morning. He on the other hand is very sick. His whole body hurts and is shaking consistently, He is vomiting and his breathing is really fast. I really don't know what to do to help him and he feels miserable. Can anyone help me? ? He cant function correctly and i am starting to think something is really wrong!
I have been taking suboxone for a little over 5 months. I was prescribed 8mg a day, but like some others on here, I took only 4mg a day to start..then after a couple months I went down to 2mg a day. I would sometimes take a liitle more if I felt "depressed" or "tired". It seemed to help with that stuff. It was kind of like when I would take painkillers to "have a good day" or something. My doctor explained that in many cases a person who uses painkillers (like I did) to brighten their mood and be more social may be suffering from depression and they don't even realize it. At first I didn't believe it. Me? Depressed? Ha! Yea right. I thought it was just another ploy to get me on more meds and keep spending money. But he never pushed the issue with me. But as I sat back and looked at the bigger picture I started to realize that maybe there was some truth in what he was telling me, you know? I haven't started an anti-depressent yet...but I may consider it down the road.
I tried to stop taking suboxone on my own once. I was taking 2mg a day and just stopped. I thought I could. By day 3 I started feeling REALLY weird. It wasn't the same as when I would detox from painkillers. It was a more nervous, impending doom type feeling. I couldnt sleep all night and finally slept for an hour or two at like 8am. When I woke up my heart was racing and I felt completely out of my mind! My body was super stiff and I could not hold a rational thought in my brain. I called my doctors office and told them what was happening. The nurse told me to immediately take some suboxone. I did and within an hour I was feeling normal again. They set me up for an appointment the next day. I pretty much yelled at my doctor for getting me on this stuff. WHAT HAD I DONE TO MY BODY? He explained that I couldnt just stop. The taper had to be very gradual...because suboxone has such a LONG half-life.
Now I have been slowly tapering off of the suboxone. I am down to .5mg a day (a 2mg tab broken into 4's). I feel a little weird but not anything like before. The doctor also paired it with neurontin. It has made a HUGE difference. The key here guys is to SLOWLY taper down. And you have to taper to almost nothing before you stop. Your brain has to get used to producing it's own seretonin again. When you understand what is actually happening chemically in your brain...and why you are feeling the way you do when coming off the subs it makes it alot easier. At least that is what is working for me. So far...
I hope this helps.
I tried to stop taking suboxone on my own once. I was taking 2mg a day and just stopped. I thought I could. By day 3 I started feeling REALLY weird. It wasn't the same as when I would detox from painkillers. It was a more nervous, impending doom type feeling. I couldnt sleep all night and finally slept for an hour or two at like 8am. When I woke up my heart was racing and I felt completely out of my mind! My body was super stiff and I could not hold a rational thought in my brain. I called my doctors office and told them what was happening. The nurse told me to immediately take some suboxone. I did and within an hour I was feeling normal again. They set me up for an appointment the next day. I pretty much yelled at my doctor for getting me on this stuff. WHAT HAD I DONE TO MY BODY? He explained that I couldnt just stop. The taper had to be very gradual...because suboxone has such a LONG half-life.
Now I have been slowly tapering off of the suboxone. I am down to .5mg a day (a 2mg tab broken into 4's). I feel a little weird but not anything like before. The doctor also paired it with neurontin. It has made a HUGE difference. The key here guys is to SLOWLY taper down. And you have to taper to almost nothing before you stop. Your brain has to get used to producing it's own seretonin again. When you understand what is actually happening chemically in your brain...and why you are feeling the way you do when coming off the subs it makes it alot easier. At least that is what is working for me. So far...
I hope this helps.
MY SON WAS ON SUBOXTON FOR 7 MONTHS AND WENT BACK TO THE OXYCOTIN ,,,,HOW OR WHY DONT KNO WTHOUGHT IT WAS A BLOCKER ,,HE WOULD WITHDRAW HORRIBLE IF HE DIDNT HAVE THE SUBOXTEN ,,,,,SO TH EWHOLE THING I S HORRIBLE ,,,HIS PERSONALLY IS HORRIBLE ,,HE LOOKS HORRIBLE DONT KNOW IF SUBOXTEN IS THE ANSWER ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i Used suboxone for the last past year but injected it... Now i quited it without reducing...i've been like sh*t...i live in a shity island and we don't have vicodins... I'm using trmadol but it's crapp... I've been "cleen" for the past 5 days, but i cannot eat, nor swleep... My parents are getting suspicous... how many days does this withdrwal last... can someone answer me quickly????I'm kind of desperate
i don't know if my statement was posted so i will write it again... I've been injecting suboxone for the past year... I quited it for 5 days without reducing and i feel like c**p... at least the heroine withdrwal was shorter....My parents are getting suspicious about my "pseudo flue" and i've heard that who quits like i did stays for more than a month withdrwaling....I cannot sleep, eat nor function....I cannot pretend being sick for a month... My shity island doesn't sell vicodins... i'm using tramadol but i don't have sleeping pills, exept xanax, but i get panic atacks during night with that c**p.... i'm thinking on going baxk to heroin...at leat the hangover is just for a week...what should i do????? :-S
I have been taking suboxones for over 3 years now!! I was a IV drug user for over 5 years and believe me...the withdrawls from heroin and cocaine were the worst but I can never remember feeling as bad as I do now when I don't have suboxones!! They have the worst withdrawls I have ever had in my life! The doctor that I started getting them from was my shrink for about 4 years and then he told me about these pills and told me that he ran a suboxone and methadone clinic and he also told me that they were NOT HABIT FORMING! I trusted him and I started the suboxones, which was the worst desicion I could have ever made in my life. He lied to me! These doctors know what they're doing! They're making so much $ from this...why do you think none of them except insurance? They are all strictly cash.So if anyone is ever wondering whether to start these pills or not, just read this and believe me...you won't want to take them. I hope I can save at least 1 person from making the same mistake I did.
Ok, I finally quit the subs. I had my doctor taper me down very slowly and I actually wasn't supposed to quit for another week. My two friends that were also on it quit 15 days ago. One of them quit from about 4mg a day and the other one quit from about 1mg a day. They had no choice but to quit because they ran out and could not afford more. I talked to them the other day and they told me they feel good now. They said yes, you will feel shitty for a week and a half but IT GOES AWAY. That gave me inspiration. I am in day two of my detox now and I feel fine. But I stocked up on xanax, neurontin, immodium AD, advil, and against my better judgement some painkillers. For now I take the combo of xanax and neurontin to sleep (works great). And on day 4 thru 6 I will break the painkillers in half and take those not to get high, but to ease the WD's. Suboxone is worse on your brain than anything we used to be addicted to. But you CAN stop it, and you CAN get through the withdrawals. Surround yourselves with positive, supportive people and positive vibes. Reading the horror stories on here is enough to put anyone in a panic attack! You NEED a support system. I call my friends (the one's that stopped the subs 2 weeks ago) every day and tell them how I am feeling. They give me feedback and answer my questions. I haven't gotten to the hard part yet...but I will not be scared! My friend told me that you automaticaaly feel better if you know that you have something at your house to take (xanax, painkillers..ect). And you know what? It DOES! Yes, you will have lots of mudbutt and yes you will have panic attacks. Yes you will be sore and yes you will not be able to sleep or eat well. BUT IT GOES AWAY! Let's be strong people. Let's do this together...help eachother..not scare eachother!! Who's with me???!! I will try to keep a daily blog of my detox for everyone, k?
Actually, you weighing so light probably caused you to metabolize the pills quickly. I bet you take about 16-20mgs a day. The reason I know this is because Im a light weight bodybuilder and, more convictional, a 3rd year medical student. 4 years ago i fell down my stairs in my sleep. I was working 36 hours a week from 8 pm- 8 am thursday friday saturday nights processing backruptcies and live checks (an extractor) and going to school 5 days a week and studying all the time. It finally took its toll and when I fell down the stairs, i hit a bony landmark somewhere by the femoral nerve which caused the nerve to snap and when that happened, I was paralyzed in the anterior/front aspect of the thigh but not the leg (the leg is from the knee down). I could flex the hamstring but no flexion on the thigh. It sucked. During the 1mm a day recovering process, I was taking vicodin (i was 25 when I started 4 years ago and never drank or took other drugs/yes alcohol is a drug and one of the worst ones out there) at 10/325 4 x a day. after about 2 months I was at 6 a day. after about 6 months, i was taking 90-80 pills a day. My leg hurt so bad, I spent a lot (not all thank god) of $ on street norco/vicodin (same thing). the difference is in the distribution of hydrocodon/acetaminophen in mgs. Some people don't know that and honeslty neither did I until I was getting them off the street. My understudy was sports medicine and I knew a little about pain pills but like anything else you study for. At the beginning, you learn it for the test. In time, you internalize it. Im 28 turning 29 and have been going to school my whole life. I can tell you right now/ im not ready to be a doctor because It's in my head but not INTERNALIZED. There is a reason we go through so much school. Then, without asking questions (we all know drugs rob you of everything...all feelings except euphoria) I went to the methadone clinic and stayed on that for 2 years. then I did the rapid detox (spend 8k) and didnt touch for 3 months. Once the naltrexone ball ran up, I started taking it every other day. Now Im takng suboxone and even though its addictive, i can tell (at least for me) that this doesnt get me high and make my pupils look like pin holes. No signs of opiod use. I feel a little sick when I wake up from my 3-4 hour sleep and take 4-8 mgs and feel good until i have to sleep. then I take 4mgs , fall asleep, and do it again. since im an opiate addict (still.yes.suboxone is addictive) I know so much about what goes on in the body and can be easily explained without medical jargon... Im not a know-it-all, but I do know a lot about the body and I know a lot about sports. Other than that, I dont know how to draw, write, spell, add, subtract ect... THIS I KNOW. everyone take care and feel free to ask if you cant find it from google ing. Bill
fopa wrote:
Get back on it and take 2mgs a day. Its a lot better than nothing. Your doc is not one of the originals unless he was studying medicine in the UK. I would like to talk to your doctor if he is saying this. Im a 3rd year medical student and am very pissed at your doctor right now. He took a class for one day .you don't even have to take a test at the end either. Im a suboxone user (only for 2 more months) and know all about it. don't ask these so-called-experts. Ask a junky who cares. ba
Guest wrote:
i HAVE BEEEN TAKING SUBOXON SINCE LAST jUNE AND i STILL DONT FEEL GOOD, YES IM NOT DETOXING LIKE i WOULD FROM THE AT LEAST 10 BAGS A DAY I DID, BUT REALLY EVEN A HALF OF ONE IF I MISS IT I START SNEEZING FEELING ACHING AND JUST DONT WANT TO MOVE.
IS THIS A FOREVER THING, i NEVER SLEEP AND WHEN I DO FOR A FEW MINUTES I HAVE HORRIBLE NIGHTMARES.
I have only been on it for a month and am begining to wonder if the cure is worse than the disease. Am having the nightmares, tiered most of the time, lack of focus at work, and my doctor, who is one of the original research docs on this , seems like some kind of fanatic,...like the mad doctor in a horror movie.
Get back on it and take 2mgs a day. Its a lot better than nothing. Your doc is not one of the originals unless he was studying medicine in the UK. I would like to talk to your doctor if he is saying this. Im a 3rd year medical student and am very pissed at your doctor right now. He took a class for one day .you don't even have to take a test at the end either. Im a suboxone user (only for 2 more months) and know all about it. don't ask these so-called-experts. Ask a junky who cares. ba
So you were addicted to pain killers, went on suboxone to stop wds, and now are going to use pain killers to stop the sub wd? look at the logic there. And I don't know about your friends, but I quit on oct. 18 and still have symtoms, although I feel much better. I didn't know it but I was also addicted to xanax. It has been said you can become dependant on xanax in as little as a month on just .5 mg. I was taking upwards of 1 mg a day with the subs (i would get anxiety at night from the subs) I quit the xanax over a week ago and finally am feeling like my old self again.
I feel I should list all the symptoms I had, and see if everyone has had them too. xanax, sub, and pain killer wd are all similar to me, although the sub wd was almost unbearable.
Here is my list that anyone should prepare for. You may not have everything I did, but you will definitely have most. I took clonidine to help with the wds, and ambien at night to sleep, but other then that it was cold turkey, the clon didnt help much. Beware of using xanax and ambien to help with wds though. You may end of liking them, especially the ambien since you zone out and forget about the wd.
No appetite
Rolling back and forth in bed
Anxiety
Anxiety breathing (shallow breathing)
Chills
Insomnia
Burning Skin (like sunburn on your face all the time)
Uncomfortable in anything I wore
Diarhea
Stumbling over words
No energy, total lethargy
Extremely emotional
Intense sense of smell
Bad taste from any food
Suicidal Thoughts
Depression
And I also missed 4 days of work and didnt get paid for it. I went back on a Friday and it was hell. Same for the rest of the week after. Just even sitting at a computer I was all hunched over, counting the minutes until I got done.
I'm not trying to bring anyone down, just want to be straight up honest for those who want to know what to prepare for. I wouldnt be typing this if I still felt as bad as I did..I couldnt even get on the computer.
I feel I should list all the symptoms I had, and see if everyone has had them too. xanax, sub, and pain killer wd are all similar to me, although the sub wd was almost unbearable.
Here is my list that anyone should prepare for. You may not have everything I did, but you will definitely have most. I took clonidine to help with the wds, and ambien at night to sleep, but other then that it was cold turkey, the clon didnt help much. Beware of using xanax and ambien to help with wds though. You may end of liking them, especially the ambien since you zone out and forget about the wd.
No appetite
Rolling back and forth in bed
Anxiety
Anxiety breathing (shallow breathing)
Chills
Insomnia
Burning Skin (like sunburn on your face all the time)
Uncomfortable in anything I wore
Diarhea
Stumbling over words
No energy, total lethargy
Extremely emotional
Intense sense of smell
Bad taste from any food
Suicidal Thoughts
Depression
And I also missed 4 days of work and didnt get paid for it. I went back on a Friday and it was hell. Same for the rest of the week after. Just even sitting at a computer I was all hunched over, counting the minutes until I got done.
I'm not trying to bring anyone down, just want to be straight up honest for those who want to know what to prepare for. I wouldnt be typing this if I still felt as bad as I did..I couldnt even get on the computer.
:x :( I have "cold turkeyed" suboxone for seven days and I still fell like I been shot at and missed and sh*t at and hit. I'm constantly down, feel no motivation, ANXIOUS, and will rip anybody's head off at the drop of a hat. I also notice that I'm quite emotional and wil literally cry at the drop of a hat.
I became addicted to oxicodone for a back injury and after that I suffered an achilles tear----up to the oxi right? Sure, lets get as much of that pain reducing, euphoric defil in my system. I've finally decided to go off the sub and wing it with tylenol, advil, etc. Guess what---I can't. the withdrawals of suboxone, which I now know can last weeks is literally "kicking my ass". I just truely want to be calm again and deal with the pain in a more conventional way (otc's). Thanks for letting me vent, I'm sure I'll return for more disconnected ramblings and thoughts, but this is all the longer I can tolerate to sit in one place with spontaneously combusting------Rooster---
I became addicted to oxicodone for a back injury and after that I suffered an achilles tear----up to the oxi right? Sure, lets get as much of that pain reducing, euphoric defil in my system. I've finally decided to go off the sub and wing it with tylenol, advil, etc. Guess what---I can't. the withdrawals of suboxone, which I now know can last weeks is literally "kicking my ass". I just truely want to be calm again and deal with the pain in a more conventional way (otc's). Thanks for letting me vent, I'm sure I'll return for more disconnected ramblings and thoughts, but this is all the longer I can tolerate to sit in one place with spontaneously combusting------Rooster---
I found this forum while doing a search for suboxone withdrawal. Today, 12/28/07 is day 12. I quit cold turkey. I took 12-15 of the 10/500 hydrocodone a day for alittle over 3 years and then found a doctor who would prescribe me suboxone. Until 12 days ago I had been taking the sub. for almost 9 months. The first 5-9 days were hell. I used a combination of holidays and vacation time to not have to work for 10 days. I can honestly say that today I feel about 80% of being me. I have the weekend, work Monday and have off Tuesday. I feel stronger everyday and know I WILL start the New Year clean. Dam right it hurts, and it's hard...but worth it. If I can do this you folks can also. Hang in there and get all the support you can find. I'm a single father with my 18 year old daughter still at home with me. She has been great...and the inspiration for me to get clean. She deserves a father who is there all the time, not just when I'm feeling good from a drug. Stay Strong People.
nomoresub wrote:
Yea, I did use the painkillers on those days. It was actually helping with the WD's a bit. But I wouldnt recommend being dumb like me and doing that because it can open doors to your old addictions again. In my case I didnt get the painkiller "high" that I used to feel when I took them. All they did was ease the symptoms. To tell you the truth I have no idea what day I am on now...I still feel a little weird at times. It's a lot of stomach issues. But your list of symptoms pretty much matched mine. I took VERY LITTLE xanax through the wd's. I was never a xanax person. But it did help me sleep at night. I don't feel the need to get high and I hope that it stays that way. I'm not sure what method works best while going through wd's. Perhaps none...I think it's different for everyone, because everyone deals with stress and pain differently. But I do know that I will not be taking suboxone again. But that's just me. I am happy to hear that you are still going strong off the subs! I was considering Ambien for a bit, but does it have side effects or withdrawals?
sleepingstars wrote:
And on day 4 thru 6 I will break the painkillers in half and take those not to get high, but to ease the WD's. ?
So you were addicted to pain killers, went on suboxone to stop wds, and now are going to use pain killers to stop the sub wd? look at the logic there. And I don't know about your friends, but I quit on oct. 18 and still have symtoms, although I feel much better. I didn't know it but I was also addicted to xanax. It has been said you can become dependant on xanax in as little as a month on just .5 mg. I was taking upwards of 1 mg a day with the subs (i would get anxiety at night from the subs) I quit the xanax over a week ago and finally am feeling like my old self again.
I feel I should list all the symptoms I had, and see if everyone has had them too. xanax, sub, and pain killer wd are all similar to me, although the sub wd was almost unbearable.
Here is my list that anyone should prepare for. You may not have everything I did, but you will definitely have most. I took clonidine to help with the wds, and ambien at night to sleep, but other then that it was cold turkey, the clon didnt help much. Beware of using xanax and ambien to help with wds though. You may end of liking them, especially the ambien since you zone out and forget about the wd.
No appetite
Rolling back and forth in bed
Anxiety
Anxiety breathing (shallow breathing)
Chills
Insomnia
Burning Skin (like sunburn on your face all the time)
Uncomfortable in anything I wore
Diarhea
Stumbling over words
No energy, total lethargy
Extremely emotional
Intense sense of smell
Bad taste from any food
Suicidal Thoughts
Depression
And I also missed 4 days of work and didnt get paid for it. I went back on a Friday and it was hell. Same for the rest of the week after. Just even sitting at a computer I was all hunched over, counting the minutes until I got done.
I'm not trying to bring anyone down, just want to be straight up honest for those who want to know what to prepare for. I wouldnt be typing this if I still felt as bad as I did..I couldnt even get on the computer.
Yea, I did use the painkillers on those days. It was actually helping with the WD's a bit. But I wouldnt recommend being dumb like me and doing that because it can open doors to your old addictions again. In my case I didnt get the painkiller "high" that I used to feel when I took them. All they did was ease the symptoms. To tell you the truth I have no idea what day I am on now...I still feel a little weird at times. It's a lot of stomach issues. But your list of symptoms pretty much matched mine. I took VERY LITTLE xanax through the wd's. I was never a xanax person. But it did help me sleep at night. I don't feel the need to get high and I hope that it stays that way. I'm not sure what method works best while going through wd's. Perhaps none...I think it's different for everyone, because everyone deals with stress and pain differently. But I do know that I will not be taking suboxone again. But that's just me. I am happy to hear that you are still going strong off the subs! I was considering Ambien for a bit, but does it have side effects or withdrawals?
I am new to this forum and started using Sub on 12/31. I have been an opiate addict on and off since 2000. I was using on an average anywhere from 10-20 10mg perc's or 3 40mg oxy's or 50mg of methadone a day. Whatever was available or I could scrap up the money for. What a nighmare. I have tried many time to quit, rehabs, cold turkey, and bup injections x3 days. Nothing worked. It seemed the more times I quit and started the worse the withdrawal got. So I decided to try Sub. I wish I would have read all of these replies first. I was terrified after reading how horrible it was to get off of. I started on 16mg (per Dr's orders) and already had 2 days at 16mg when I read all of these replies. I am very scared to continue with this therapy but feel trapped because I already started. My doc told me to take the 16mg every day for the next 2 weeks until I see him again. I have already started weaning myself. I took 8 mg today and plan to take 8mg tomorrow and then 4mg for two days then down to 2mg and so on. From what everyone one has said, we should only stay on for no longer than two weeks. I am looking for some opinions on what kind of withdrawal to expect from the Sub. I kinda figure I will feel the withdrawals from the opiates the lower I get on the Sub. I already feel alittle achy with the Sub I am taking now. But VERY tolerable. I do not feel high at all from the Sub but I am sitting here at work next to someone I know is high as a kit on opiates and I feel ABSOLUTLY no urge to join my previous "buddy" any comments out there