Avoid Suboxone Withdrawal; Only Two are Needed!

Suboxone IS an opiate.

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Try taking up to 4 patches of fentanyl and eating that much daily, then jumping off cold turky. To eat that much fentanyl is a HUGE namount of opiates. Oh and did that for 3 years. If ya ever thought suboxone withdrawal was rough, alot of people have seem the true hell the STRONG opiates (fent/dope) can be. If ever there was a time to put a gun in your mouth.....

I feel you people thinking suboxone withdraws are bad have never been to the point I was at. I was banging a gram of H a day. This was after the Oxycontin, and morphine stopped making me feel normal again. If it would not have been for suboxone I would either be dead or in jail because that is the two things that will happen if you continue using opiates.

Suboxone IS an opiate.

Once again -- and I can't emphasize this enough -- for your own safety, PLEASE do not try any "do-it-yourself" plans for detoxing off ANY opiate/narcotic medication. The previous advice which stated "try taking up to 4 patches of fentanyl and eating that much daily, then jumping off cold turkey" could be an invitation to disaster. The "advice" fails to mention that fentanyl comes in 5 patch sizes: 12 micrograms/hour, 25 µg/h, 50 µg/h, 75 µg/h, and 100 µg/h. EVERY piece of literature on the subject of fentanyl usage that I have ever read states that it should NOT be "eaten"/chewed/sucked/etc. As a long-time/long-term opioid dependent addict, I can tell you that we addicts are NOT good judges of how we are being affected by a dose of this or that drug. When I first started to use fentanyl, I got VERY high but because the effects of fentanyl last for only a very short time, regular users may become addicted very quickly. Therefore, I stopped feeling the effects within just a few weeks...Bottom line: using fentanyl in a do-it-yourself program of tapering and withdrawing could have disastrous results. And so once again and again, I urge ANYONE who reads these forums to get honest with themselves and surrender themselves to treatment by a physician, an authorized detox program, a harm reduction center, or ANY other addiction treatment program that has licensed professionals calling the shots. Yes, some of these programs are better than others and yes, it might end up costing you some money to get yourself out of the mess you're in. But consider how much it's costing you to continue with your addiction, not only in dollars but also in self-respect, the trust of others, your physical and mental health, and your spirituality ... And this is important: Even with treatment, any program you enroll in, if they're honest, will tell you that only about FIVE PERCENT of their patients will stay off of drugs if they do not supplement that program after treatment with self-help programs like AA, NA, LifeRing, Rational Recovery, SOS, SMART Recovery, etc. Addiction is a life-long disease that cannot be cured, only treated. The good news is that it can be successfully treated and that a long and happy life is a possibility -- you just have to use the necessary tools to get that life... My best wishes and hopes for everyone here ...

I completely agree Robeenz. Tiff, I KNOW you mean well, BUT, NEVER go back to Methadone if you don't have to. All this person needs to do is call their addiction doctor and he will place you at the right dose of Suboxone. I agree that there is withdrawal from Sub. No matter, there is. I am on it for life, I fear!! BUT; it's NOT the drug. IT'S US the addict. You can blame doctors for your addiction to a prescribed medication from day one and you can blame the Dr. and pharm companies all you want but that is your addiction speaking!! WE ARE ADDICTS--bottom line, and this is OUR fault from day one! WE abused the drug. NOT everyone on abuses prescribed pain medications like we did. It’s just that addictive part of our personality! WE have that in our personality. There are MANY things that we have done to the receptors in our brains. And the ability to make endorphins, hormones, adrenaline, serotonin, etc. etc. etc... I am sure you know all the physiological points of addiction since you have done a lot of research, SOOO though there is dependence it is not JUST our addictive personality, it has NOW become physiological; NOT just emotional or mental. There are physiological consequences to what we have done to our bodies through our addiction!!! Sooo it might be that many will be on the Sub for YEARS!! BUT, HOPEFULLY it is in a controlled environment under a doctor's care and HOPEFULLY you are participating in some type of counseling or AA/NA. So UNDER Doctor's supervision, this Sub IS a miracle. I am NO LONGER addicted to drugs and I WAS A HEAVY addict. I am walking through my addiction and I have the help of a medication; but I also have a Doctor who KNOWS what it takes to get off the Suboxone as I walk through my addiction. Just like an anti-depressant—I will be tapered off WHEN I am ready to FEEL these withdrawals and walk through them as I am tapered down. It’s amazing to think that I am down to ¼ strip and yet I AM NOT ready to go to 1/8 strip. YES; I am tapered and it is hard!! This is NOT an easy road as any addict will agree, but, I have a DOCTOR to talk to about it. He lets me KNOW when it's my addictive personality talking OR when it's physiological. YES, in all things, not just addiction, pharm companies abuse us and the insurance companies and they make money. YES; there is much abuse in the medical field, but we made our OWN choices and we abused a med or a drug! BUT please don't discourage people from being FREE of the opiate addiction. They just need to be aware that there WILL be a tapering that isn't fun! That this medication is also addictive but it FREES you from the opiate spiral. BUT it's UNDER DOCTOR'S care and if you aren't comfortable, there are things that the Doctor (mine happens to love holistic) can help you with. Do you see the difference??? IF ANYONE THINKS there is a QUICK FIX for an addict, they are mistaken because THERE IS NOT. It depends on how LONG you were addicted and HOW MUCH DAMAGE you have done to your brain and/or body!! PLEASE, it's MUCH BETTER to be under Doctor's care to be FREE of ADDICTION. And if that means I have to pay for the Sub and Doctor's visit every month... SO BE IT because I have been sober for 6 years--YES on Sub but I was addicted to some kind of opiate for 12 years. So it might take me 12 years, who knows? IT DOESN'T matter. I have NOT relapsed BECAUSE of my Doctor's care! But you are addicted TO THE SUB because you were addicted to opiates in the first place! PERIOD!! And I am using this time to find out WHY and not relapsing! And the fact that the FDA approved it after only 16 weeks-- that seems absurd! Can you please show me the article where you found that information out? And perhaps they didn't know the side effects because we are really the ones who are answering the long term affects and they will adjust! I have seen TOO many go back to opiates because of a strict Doctor who was afraid of addiction to Sub, so they don't consider the addict, JUST the medication--and what happens?? The person has relapsed!! That is NOT a good Doctor!! IN MY OPINION!!

I have heard this method if tapering down to 0.1mg if subutex is the best way, what my question is after using for 10 years what lengh if time would be best to taper. 1 month , 2 months so the brain has time to heal yet not be on subutex for longer than needed.

I'm on day 7 today when you start w/d your going to want to lay in bed you have to get up! It was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life! But I feel better today, on day 3 I walked about a half a mile and holy sh*t I thought I was going to hit the ground. I mental had to tell myself Left foot right foot left foot right foot!!! MOVE it helps trust me!!



When I tried to quit last time I laid in bed for two weeks! I'm not joking aether! Also I had about four hours of sleep last night woke up about 2 am. i have been on opiates for 12 years and I'm talking everyday up to 80 mg time release morphine! The only pills I'm taking right know are vitamins and Advil.



YOU NEED TO MOVE START SLOW SET A GOAL IF ITS ONLY 20 FEET!



It took about 2-3 days of walking three times a day to be OK with pain. I have not laid down since 6 am!



Today my apatite is starting to come back I ate a boll of cereal and 4 eggs boiled and for lunch to hot dogs with some chips. And I'm telling you that is the most food I have eating in 6 days.



Today I'm probably 60% to 70% percent OK.



Turn your hopelessness into anger, Turn your anger into walking!

have you stopped using morphine cold turkey or are you taking subutex.

 

Yes i stopped using morphine years ago that was my peak of a 12 year addiction the last 3 years of opiate addiction was spent on sub's.

Last day I used was October 26, 2012 @ 7:00 a.m. 2 mg sub's.

This is the hardest thing I have ever done its so easier to just take a pill and this goes threw my mind every minute (addiction). I remind myself where I came from and to give and idea to everyone who reads this I will tell you. At my peak of addiction I was a full blown addict and drunk!

I remember keeping an ice chest in the back of my truck full of beer and I would drink for weeks at a time morning to night. On top of this I was eating opiates daily Oxycontin, morphine, hydrogodone and anything else I got my hands on. The hydrogondone i was taking had amphetamine (same as what Tylenol has in it). This amphetamine mixed with alcohol kills your liver and kidneys. I ended up pissing and pooping blood everyday at the time I new why and how. I was trying to kill myself I didn't care (Heavy depression from my childhood). sad......

I catch myself smiling and I haven't smiled in 13 years. When I smiled all those years I was making myself do so when a joke was told or whatever. Now I smile automatically everyday over dum stuff like my dog. This is an example of living! I can feel the sun on my face, smell the air and I see crisper WOW! Amazing.....

The best advice I can give for the addict reading my post whatever drug of choice, Its so much easier to stay drunk or high its harder to be sober but being sober give's you a chance to live!

When the withdraws start or before they do walk jog run! Turn your frustration into anger then anger into motivation! Now you may say their is no way in hell I can get out of this bed I now I was there 5 days ago. Its very hard I I thought I was going to hit the ground and die. Actually death would have been easier!

But what I was telling myself was I have been screwed up for more than half my life spent $1000's of dollars to maintain that. If I had all the money I have spent or a direct loss do to addiction I could retire @ 30 (That is how old I am). Sad...

I'm going to get threw this if its the last f*****g thing I do on this earth! Turn some good music on take that anger and jog!

My favorite is Eminem - Not Afraid                               GO LISTEN TO IT RIGHT AFTER YOU READ THIS!

 

I feel good today (Day 14 sober) I'm not 100% but not tired slept about 5 hours not shaking the only bad is depression (I'm seeing a counselor every week). I'm also not taking any pills (WOW) only vitamin I never thought I would see this day I was waiting for death but death didn't find me. 

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If I can do this you can!

WALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jen's talking about early staged opiate dependency and yes she is correct in saying two 8mg suboxone (subutex) will be a perfect buffer in order to rapidily detox off of aggressive opiates such as heroin, morphine, oxy, etc. the trick is to swamp the opiate receptors with suboxone long enough for the dependent opiate substance to pass through your system i.e 5 days. you have to be going through withdrawal in order to correctly take suboxone and suboxone stays on your receptors for 48 hours. theres your 5 days right there. the resulting withdrawal will be uncomfortable but mild in comparison. you pay for your emotional problems eventually, time to man up people.

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Just a few questions for the above poster. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all but if a drug is missing a chemical compound then it can't be the exact same thing. The naloxone is the opiate blocker the antagonist of suboxone. Also it has nothing to do with shooting them up, especially since beginning April 1, 2012 the suboxone in pill form will no longer be available and everyone will be onthe strips. So my questions are if you don't mind me asking, what opiate and how much were you on before you began taking suboxone? I'm sorry I'm a little ticked off bc yea even though he has been clean 6 days the withdrawals are hellasious and that's why when you start feeling the withdrawals you take Suboxone not Subutex. The naloxone in the Suboxone is what stops the withdrawals. I know it may have been shitty to tell them to go back to the clinic but if they want to help themselves then one time back to save them from a weekend of hell until they can get the proper medication is worth it. I had to do it a few times till the doctor got the dosage right and I'm still clean and healthy and happy. Like I said before I'm really not trying to argue or offend anyone but I know what it's like, I've been there numerous times and it f*cking sucks and all I was trying to do was get them through the weekend bc the subutex won't help it has a ceiling effect as does suboxone. You can only get so high and then you're just wasting it.

what are you talking about? the naloxone does not block the withdrawl? you have no idea what you are talking about and should not be giving advice on this subject. the buprenorhpine ITSELF does the blocking because it is part aganist, part antagoist. Stop telling people the wrong things, get your facts straight.

My husband has been trying to detox from suboxone for awhile. He is now down to 1/2 mg. of suboxone. The doctor gave him percocet for pain ( he is in exterme pain from arthritis and back injury) and he wants to start taking the percocet and get off the suboxone.. However, he is still on 1/2 mg. suboxone. Does 1/2 mg. of suboxone have enough naloxone to block the percocet? Will he have withdrawal symptoms?
Any help would be appreciated.

Nancy wrote:

robeenz wrote:

Recvrngaddct wrote:

Just a few questions for the above poster. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all but if a drug is missing a chemical compound then it can't be the exact same thing. The naloxone is the opiate blocker the antagonist of suboxone. Also it has nothing to do with shooting them up, especially since beginning April 1, 2012 the suboxone in pill form will no longer be available and everyone will be onthe strips. So my questions are if you don't mind me asking, what opiate and how much were you on before you began taking suboxone? I'm sorry I'm a little ticked off bc yea even though he has been clean 6 days the withdrawals are hellasious and that's why when you start feeling the withdrawals you take Suboxone not Subutex. The naloxone in the Suboxone is what stops the withdrawals. I know it may have been shitty to tell them to go back to the clinic but if they want to help themselves then one time back to save them from a weekend of hell until they can get the proper medication is worth it. I had to do it a few times till the doctor got the dosage right and I'm still clean and healthy and happy. Like I said before I'm really not trying to argue or offend anyone but I know what it's like, I've been there numerous times and it f*cking sucks and all I was trying to do was get them through the weekend bc the subutex won't help it has a ceiling effect as does suboxone. You can only get so high and then you're just wasting it.

what are you talking about? the naloxone does not block the withdrawl? you have no idea what you are talking about and should not be giving advice on this subject. the buprenorhpine ITSELF does the blocking because it is part aganist, part antagoist. Stop telling people the wrong things, get your facts straight.

My husband has been trying to detox from suboxone for awhile. He is now down to 1/2 mg. of suboxone. The doctor gave him percocet for pain ( he is in exterme pain from arthritis and back injury) and he wants to start taking the percocet and get off the suboxone.. However, he is still on 1/2 mg. suboxone. Does 1/2 mg. of suboxone have enough naloxone to block the percocet? Will he have withdrawal symptoms?
Any help would be appreciated.

yes, even a 1/2 a mg of sub will block percocet/oxycodone from latching onto the brain's receptors for a few days (unless he like takes 100mg+ or so).   He will go through withdrawal for a day or two before the percs start "working" again and he'll feel relief.  Suboxone is much stronger than Short acting opiates like oxycodone (percocet).

Similar story to all here: hydros, percs, roxys, 4 ten mgs per day for 6 years off the street. Began taking subs around 9 months ago piggybacking with a friend who actually went to a real deal de tox program with drug tests etc. I never write online or subscribe to many websites but this is definitely a special occasion.
I started with 4mg (1/2 strip) then tapered to 1mg at the end. I actually followed my friends docs directions. I "jumped" off last saturday morning so its been 9 days for me and I am feeling a lot better. RCMO814 has it pretty much nailed, you just have to get mad and do something to break out of the fog. Walk your dog, fix something, walk or jog short distances, breath deeply and appreciate all the "new" re-discovered senses that get better daily. IT GETS BETTER DAILY JUST SUCK IT UP AND GET CLEAN.

Thanks Thrillm

Ive tried to quite more times than I have finger's and toe's!!
I'm 24 days body doesn't hurt motivation comes and goes but I'm ok.

Thanks

Hi, I need help and advice. I have been using H for over a year. Recently started shooting. I started about 3 months ago and before that I was only snorting. I split a half with someone every day. Sometimes more give or take. I have 2 suboxine strips. I HAVE to and WANT to get clean. I am going out of town Friday with my grandparents and returning Sunday.. I feel getting out of town in the middle of no where will really help me stay away from the sh*t and all my "friends" ha. Can someone please help me with how and the best way to get clean with little or no withdrawls? I also need to know how long suboxine stay in the system for I have a drug test sometime next week. It is a mouth swab test that goes under the tongue. PLEASE HELPP!! Thank you.

I'm sorry but depending on what your taking (Heroin) and how long will depend on your withdraw. If it's just a weekend thing it should be easier but if your addiction has gone on for over a month straight it will be tough. I rquamend getting involved with other people who are going threw the same issues 

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If this an addiction that consisted of using on the weekends then you should be alright with a couple of bad days. Try Alcoholics Anomalous it helps trust me.

The sooner you free your self from opiates the better!

Look it up! Naloxone is what they give you to reverse the opiate & bring you out of an OD taken sublingually it has too lil effect to do anything but if you shoot it you'll go into withdrawls, subutex is suboxone (bupenephrine) without Naloxone therefore it has a higher abuse rate because it can be shot or snorted without the withdrawl effect after! Do research on credible sites before posting c**p!!!! Confused already addicts don't need it!!