Avoid Suboxone Withdrawal; Only Two are Needed!

Amen to your post, I agree whole heartedly...I was on Methadone 30mg 3 times a day for 11 years, prescribed to treat pain, and found out that anyone taking even low dosage of only 5 mg twice a day for over 1-1/2 years or more the Methadone can cause Heart and Pullmanory disease, which it did for me, when I told this to my primary doctor at the VA he got really angry, told me I was being ridiculous and foolish, I showed him two articles I had printed out from 2 different medical Universities, which he refused to look at, he then told me to take the Methadone it only 2 times the next day and 1 the next and I would be off the Methadone, well needless to say, I nearly went out of my mind with the withdrawals, I went to the VA emergency walk in clinic and was admitted immediately, and after seeing the doctor there he called my primary VA doctor and asked him if he was trying to kill me, and then ripped him good and put him on report. Within 2 days I was put on a regimen of Suboxone and within an hour I felt like my old self before I had ever taken Methadone.

 

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You're mostly right, but only if your audience has as opiate naive system as you do. And i don't mean that condescendingly, i mean it literally. When you've graduated to heroin, 4 30mg perks are nothing, i could crush and shoot 4 at once and not feel it. Once I'm in withdrawal, i have to time the sub so i don't take it too soon. If i do, instant sick. You ate correct that it is over prescribed and people do way too much, but not as over done as i thought when i had your drug problem. That's because i used to take sub just like you did, occasionally, when my couple perks ran out. At that time sub was a miracle drug that made me instantly well for 5 days. The habit progressed. The subs became less of a relief, but more of a mandatory way to cope with not having heroin. The subs became less and less effective all the way around- you know how you take a sub and then are blocked from being able to get high for like 4 days and all your friends say you're crazy and they can take a sub in the morning and get high at night? Even though it sounds medically impossible? Well it happens. I know perfectly well how sub works, and it sounds like you do too, so I'm not going to explain why it's not possible. But over the years, you build a "tolerance", for lack of a better term, to it. It doesn't last as long and doesn't BLOCK the opiates as long. I imagine the receptors "loosening up"... Like they get stretched out and don't have the "grip" they once did and let go of, not only the heroin, but the sub as well. so essentially the half sub theory goes out the window. You need more than one. You need two a day. Or you just don't have energy. But you're right, not two a day every day, i do two the first, one the second, try to do none the third, half the forth. I can detox quickly using the step down method,after that it's mental and that can be just as bad. I've never successfully made it more than two weeks, that's the current record, and the first week was jail. So you are right, for people who don't have a monster habit, if you go to a sub doctor and they tell you take two a day, just smile and nod,get them and know you just scored about 6 months worth of sub. But once you cross that line...you develop that passion for the needle...two sub a day as a Rx isn't that unreasonable, and when you go off cold turkey isn't possible and you Will Have withdrawals. And mental withdrawals, again, can be very severe. Anxiety , depression, despair, desperation for more of the drug and sub just won't cut it. Good luck everyone who found this post. This life is for the birds. By the time you read this there's a good chance I'll be dead by accidental overdose. (these posts tend to stick around for years, heroin addicts don't) peace

Now HERE'S someone that knows pain. I've never tried fent but have been an h addict for years. I know your pain.

I'm on day 3 from jumping off of 4 mg of suboxone. Yes! I walked a mile last nite and it helps your body to start making it's natural pain killers. I've been taking loperimide for the runs and tagaments and prilosec otc and a couple mucinex and a couple Robitussin. I am feeling great! I keep waiting for the withdrawals. Day 3!! This is a big deal for me. All you people are in my thoughts and heart! You can't walk mile without taking the first step! ---Elaine. . .

I am quitting Morphine on my own. Have never abused it, but have had 4 spine surgeries that have left me a" failed back", so I am constantly in pain due to micro motion in the lower back, plus a crushed nerve that leaves my feet in terrible pain. I decided to stop morphine because of the side effects and the stereotype. All of my meds have been DR. prescribed. Now they give me suboxone and I'm very wary to start it . from what the above says, it will be fighting evil with evil, so what's the point. The question is will suboxone relieve any of the morphine withdrawal?

Hi Jen I am praying you can give me a little bit of advice on sebutex. I was on day 4-5 withdrawing from lortab, perc off and on for 2 years. Really want to stop so I got a 8mg sebutex from a friend and took 1/4 of it yesterday at 11 am and started projectile vomiting 2 hours later and it lasted all day. I'm wondering how much I should try this morning without it making me vomit again. I was on it 2years ago-3,4 a day and had to quit cold turkey with no taper bc my Dr hauled butt and I was in the hospital for a month. So I only want to use 2 this time. Please help me

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Yes your right the Bup is does the blocking and Nalox is in case dopers want to use! have a question though Ive been on 24 mg day Suboxone daily now been told i have to have another spinal surgery, the pain doct told me taper 8mg today then 4 mg fpr 3 days the 2 mg 3 days and then 2 mg every other day. and put me on Tramadol my suboxone doct said NO WAY wont take withdrawl away! Primary said same thing wont work has to be a opiate pain meds or Im in big troblem think so? what should I do the pain doct wont listen cant tell a doc what to do

The conclusion I have drawn from reading this whole post is that opiate users are a bunch of idiots who speak whether they're well informed or not. Most of you people need to stop talking to just to hear yourselves and learn when to shut the f**k up. Be better. Stop sucking at life.

Need advice.  I have been on Methadone for 6 years.  My highest dose was 3 mg for probably 6 months then 15 mg then 5 mg for probably 2.5 years then 2.5 until thislast Monday.  I went to 1.5 mg and felt hell for threedays then just stopped on Thursday.  Thursday was horrible, Friday I called into work and felt psychotic and suicidal all day.  Sat morning, today, wokeup at 3am and freaked outboth physically mentally to the point of freaking dillusions.  I broke.  Literally my spririt broke and I took 2.5 mg.  I am so depressed and scared. I keep having panicattacks thinking of going through that pain agin. 

My question is, if I switch to suboxone, how lond do I have to wait between doses and secondly. is it possible to do a short term methadone detox on suboxone and not fell those deathly withdrawals?  Thanks

Actually you only need 1, and I was on heroin nor prescription pills. I just did it this past 8 days....1st day without anything, kept the strip closed until it got irritating. 2nd day opened it up around 1pm and took 2mg. Skip a day without anything then Day 4 take another 2mg. Skip another day then Day 6 took 1mg and last 1mg on Day 8.....I'm actually on day 9 today and I'm feeling great! I know it's rubbing it in but the whole time I was thinking it was going to get bad but it didn't. The worst feeling I had was on day 2 before I took the 2mg...my arms were jumping around when I was trying to take a nap. I had that edgy axiety feeling creeping in. I had to post this because I read this artical before I took my leap back into reality without a monkey on my back. I was wondering if I can only use one strip since it was all I had. Guess what, it works like a charm...and trust me I was doing a lot! A gram to last me 2 or three days $140 to $160 a pop! Glad it's over- and thanks for giving me the idea to push it even further :-) This is need to know stuff for all the opiate lovers/haters in the world!

 This is for Guest- from 3 days ago.  I hate to break it to you but you will have 3 days of pain before you can even take a piece of suboxone...the half life of methadone is about the same as suboxone...3 days or maybe 2 if it's a really low dose, trust me you don't want precipitated withdrawal, it's hell. Another thing is methadone withdrawal (and suboxone withdrawal *also) stays around a lot longer than prescription meds/heroin. You could be looking at a 2 week withdrawal. I had withdrawal from both and they are not fun. It was more hard core than heroin. Eyes were fully dialated and I lost so much weight. It ended on new years day 2011- but I was so exhausted from it I couldn't enjoy myself. But just like going through any withdrawal there is always post withdrawal. No energy, depressed, sensitive to cold against your skin. It lasts differently for each person. You will not fully be back to your old self for 6 months to 2 years. Now thats just not what is noticeably wrong with you but your brain repairing itself from all that seratonin/dopamine abuse! Thats what I got for now but if I were you I would get 2 strips on the 3rd day (clear of any left over methadone that might send you into precipitated withdrawal) take 2 mg every other day until u got close to day 14 (that would be 1 strip and a half). Skip a day then take 1mg 2 days in a row. The last 2 pieces of the 1mgs need to be seperated by a day to ween. That's my imput and trust me I've done it all!

Actually now that I look at the post, and I can't edit it anymore...day 6 I took another 2mg then day 8 I had 1mg and then last 1mg on day 9. It is day 10 for me today with nothing in my system. I had to rethink this past week and a half cause I am still really tired all the time and it's hard to get this out (typing) when you really don't want to be doing anything. It does help others though (like me when I was searching all this stuff) so cheers and I hope you have a nice bright new begining!

I took 8 8mlg sub strips for 8 days. this is day 8, none left no script. will i go into withdrawl?

yeah i wish i knew all that before i ever took subs....i'm not gonna saye their the devil like so many others....i never took more than 2mg a day but took it forever and right now i'm weeks into some withdrawal LOL....i find it funny what a dummy i can be...but i think your right ..if you take subs for a short time you can make them work for you

i'd find more if you can you gotta ween and skip a day like previous poster said...i'm into like week 3 or so and i feel bad still not horrible, but not good