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So true! I've been on subs for a year and a half now and its going to be time for me to taper off in the not too distant future.  It is not a "FIX" to a permanent problem. Lots of hard work and education is the key to sobriety.....
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I know this is a little late for the post but for the people who dont understand how someone can afford a $1000+ a month habit for drugs but cant afford $400-500  a month for suboxone. Chances are the money was obtained by illegal means and well if the are trying to get clean its obvious they wouldnt want to continue doing those things because the are caring about their life now and what happens to them. Atleast that has been my experience.
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I am responding to the famous comment that really pisses me off and that is "well you could afford X-amount of dollars for your dope so why can't you afford $500 a month for Methadone/Suboxone"? I will tell you why...First and foremost a large part of a successful recovery is changing old behaviors such as, STEALING, PROSTITUTING, etc..and once we are no longer doing those things, the cash flow STOPS! Trying to do an honest recovery can be very hard to do simply on a financial basis. I was on methadone for 12 years and of that 12 years I paid cash for my treatment thru 10 of them. How did I manage to do that you ask? I got a decent paying job..not a great one..just a decent one...and was able to hold on to that job because I was on methadone and stable. I barely made ends meet, but I knew if I wanted to keep my job and my recovery then I had to fork it out. There were many of times I was so close to not being able to pay, that my mind started going in circles on how I could get that kind of money honestly..and there weren't any answers available to me. I felt as if I was being pushed into old behaviors just to try and maintain my recovery. Well, I hate to tell you that you participating in old behaviors is going to kill your recovery. So, it becomes a catch 22 situation...I really do hate that comment!!!
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I have done a methadone detox from a 360mg a day dosing and I did 24mgs Suboxone taper or detox..whichever you want to call it...and compared to ANY opiate that I have taken and had withdrawals from as well as the horrific methadone detox..suboxone is a walk in the park! I never had any withdrawal symptoms, in fact.it got to the point that I would actually forget to take a dose or two of my suboxone and never felt a thing! And never had that awful craving that other opioids left behind after detox. It took me months to feel human again after coming off methadone..I can guarantee you that if you are working an HONEST program and following your docs orders on your Suboxone use and taper/withdrawal, you will be successful and it will not require ANY inpatient medical detox.....again the key is to do exactly as your DOC says..not ,as I call them, the "line experts" (you know those people that stand in line at the clinic always offering their expertise on methadone ins and outs, which are for the most part a load of bull!) It seems to apply as well online too!
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Rockton wrote:

Hello Eric,

First off let me clarify that although Suboxone is considered a controlled substance and does contain an opiate factor, it is non-addictive and most patients gradually ween down on the medication until they are back to normal (without any effort for weening). The primary active ingredient in SUBOXONE is buprenorphine. Because buprenorphine is a partial opioid agonist, its opioid effects are limited compared with those produced by full opioid agonists, such as oxycodone or heroin. SUBOXONE also contains naloxone, an opioid antagonist. The naloxone prevents you from getting high from any other opioid substance. There are so many other things I could go into about the healing factor of your brain and what's going on inside of your body while you use this medication... but you would be better off reading about it online or talking to your own doctor.

The medication does wonders... I myself was hooked on Oxycontin and MS contin for 9 years. This did substantial damage to my body and the withdrawals were unbearable. Suboxone saved my life and pushed me into my current life's career. There are many ignorant people that don't understand what they're talking about, but as a Doctor that specialises in this field AND a patient I can tell you... You are on the right path to recovery.

The bad side of this process and like most processes for getting clean, it can be very expensive. I am going to help you and others that read this article on this particular matter.

The company that manufactures Suboxone and Subutex is called Reckitt Benckiser Pharmaceuticals Inc. Ask your doctor (the prescriber of the suboxone) about the one year trial plan that this company offers. If you can't afford your medication but have the will and need to stay clean, the company offers a one year trial of the medication for free. There are a few forms to fill out and your doctor can provide you with them. Once they are faxed over to the company, within a week or two you will be setup for a year.

The great thing about this plan is that most people are done with the suboxone less than a year. This process will not only save you money, but it will change your life. Eric, you are making the right choice! Ask your doctor about this program; it exists and it's very helpful for those without insurance and want to stay off drugs.

- Dr. Thomas MPAD


Wrong wrong wrong, The naloxone in suboxone only deters the iv use of subs. but it doesnt really work anyway, you can still shoot sub because the bupe has an even higher affinity than naloxone and any discomfort is temporary. the Bupe its self has such a high affinity that it is what blocks other opiates. it doesnt matter how much of a "partial" agonist it is if you occupy your opiate receptors with anything you will change you brains chemistry and have withdrawals and subs are very addicting and the withdrawals are just as bad and i seriously think much worse. unless you've tapered to the microgram range for a month and then the w/d's last 4 times longer. subsux.com is a website you should check out, it is a good tool but all your doing is getting a supply of dope and not having to go lie cheat and steal to get it. its like the program they have in Europe where they give addicts heroin, all their doing is stopping the lifestyle by giving them a steady supply, same here your just getting your dope supplied so you dont have to go about it the usual way basically. their not doing you any favors by putting you on sub and its the biggest mistake an addict can make unless they use it for 4 to 5 days and a super low dose and just be done with it. you would'nt fly a jet in the air for months and years getting refueled in mid air just because it has a broken landing gear. you are just making it harder for yourself. and i am now addicted to suboxone and wish i would have just sucked it up for a whopping 3 days with my old doc because im on my 3rd attempt to jump just from .5mg, i made it 6 and 8 days on my two previous attempts and it is awful. long acting opiates completely shut down the factory as short acting opiates at least your neurons are still firing once in a while. this will be seen as another methadone theres nothing special about it other than the ceiling effect, thats the only reson addicts can take it and maintain. and the other thing people wont do what they used to do to get subs. subs and doctor appointments are expensive, you can lie cheat and steal and get a little dope at a time but you wouldnt save up for an appointment it just doesnt work that way thats why alot of people can fuel the habbit but not afford a sub doc. they arent going to go rip off a store and make a few bucks and what, be sick till they can save up 500$ ? yeah rite that little bit of money is going to get them well come hell or high water.

 
    Sorry but Wrong wrong wrong, The naloxone in suboxone only deters the iv use of subs. but it doesnt really work anyway, you can still shoot sub because the bupe has an even higher affinity than naloxone and any discomfort is temporary. the Bupe its self has such a high affinity that it is what blocks other opiates. it doesnt matter how much of a "partial" agonist it is if you occupy your opiate receptors with anything you will change you brains chemistry and have withdrawals and subs are very addicting and the withdrawals are just as bad and i seriously think much worse. unless you've tapered to the microgram range for a month and then the w/d's last 4 times longer.

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but all your doing is getting a supply of dope and not having to go lie cheat and steal to get it. its like the program they have in Europe where they give addicts heroin, all their doing is stopping the lifestyle by giving them a steady supply, same here your just getting your dope supplied so you dont have to go about it the usual way basically. their not doing you any favors by putting you on sub and its the biggest mistake an addict can make unless they use it for 4 to 5 days and a super low dose and just be done with it. you would'nt fly a jet in the air for months and years getting refueled in mid air just because it has a broken landing gear. you are just making it harder for yourself. and i am now addicted to suboxone and wish i would have just sucked it up for a whopping 3 days with my old doc because im on my 3rd attempt to jump just from .5mg, i made it 6 and 8 days on my two previous attempts and it is awful. long acting opiates completely shut down the factory as short acting opiates at least your neurons are still firing once in a while. this will be seen as another methadone theres nothing special about it other than the ceiling effect, thats the only reson addicts can take it and maintain. and the other thing people wont do what they used to do to get subs. subs and doctor appointments are expensive, you can lie cheat and steal and get a little dope at a time but you wouldnt save up for an appointment it just doesnt work that way thats why alot of people can fuel the habbit but not afford a sub doc. they arent going to go rip off a store and make a few bucks and what, be sick till they can save up 500$ ? yeah rite that little bit of money is going to get them well come hell or high water.
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well whoever you are.. falsely stating that SUBOXONE IS NON ADDICTIVE.... YOU ARE FULL OF c**p.. i HAVE BEEN ON IT AWHILE NOW AND CAME OFF COLD TURKEY AND IT WAS JUST AS BAD AS COMING OFF METHODONE..BUT BACK TO SAYING THAT c**p i CAME OFF SUBOXONE TWICE AND IT WAS HELL FOR TWO WEEKS.. SO I WISH EVERYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN ON IT WOULD STOP FASLEY ADVERTISING THAT IT IS NON ADDIDICTING...
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You had the answer as to why you had a bad detox from suboxone and that was going COLD TURKEY! There is a reason a TAPER is used, to help the patient be more successful in the detox process..I have been there, done that, with methadone AND suboxone(not at the same time) and suboxone was a walk in the park compared to methadone! Right is right and if one chooses to go against medical advice on how to PROPERLY detox, then the bad outcoime is on them! PERIOD! The proof lies in the success of those who truly wanted it and did what it took to get it! There is no easy fix no matter which way you look at it...and experience has more than proven to me and I am sure to others that the very first part of any treatment is honesty!!! Comin' clean with others and yourself! Until that is done...all of the rest is just a waste of time! And before you decide to blast me on a post..unless your a medical professional or someone with some solid sobriety behind them and KNOW what they are talking about..your just blowing smoke! Thank you and have a great week!
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I just want to say that I was on Suboxone for over two years until I lost my medical insurance,. I did get if free for a year and that was a blessing. For those of you that say that Suboxone is not addictive, you are wrong. Suboxone is just addictive as heroine and the withdrawals from suboxone are just like coming off of heroine, just not as strong. Because of my medical insurance being lost I could not afford the medicine and eventually could not handle life on lifes terms and I got high again. I am presently still using and I hate it. I have been through treatment 15 times in my life and the sickness that I go through when I am out of heroine is unbearable and I am opoen to suggestions on how I can get off of the heroine in a much more easier way. Thank you
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I have been exactly where you are right now and NEVER want to be there again! I wish there was some super secret treatment or something that would make coming off opiates alot easier and less painful, but there is not. I have been thru Long-Term Residential Treatment(16 months), 12 years on MMT(methadone maintenance)(my high dose at the end was 360mgs per day), 10+ Inpatient Detox/Treatment Centers, NA/AA, LADAC Counseling, Individual couseling, Co-Facilitated various drug education/treatment groups and Suboxone. Out of everything I did, learning to be rigorously honest with others and myself was the key to my success. It wasn't easy at all, and I had alot of ups and downs..but when I finally found Suboxone...it was the last piece of the puzzle I needed to finally become opiate free. I am no expert nor can I say how another person feels, but I do hope that you will find a treatment center/Detox and give it another chance. Relapse unfortunately IS part of RECOVERY!! I know of several good places...where are you located? One thing that I have found that makes the hard work of recovery 100% worth it is opening my eyes every morning and the very first thought that raced thru my head wasn't about how and where can I get more dope so I won't get sick, instead it became a feeling of real freedom! Good Luck!
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I have been on Subutex for about 5 months now. I just started a new job where everyone is doing some type of drug. Which of course is a huge temptation! I was prescribed 8mg and I was only taking half of that. now I'm taking the whole 8 and then some. So now I'm running out way before refill time. I'm afraid to ask my dr. to up my mg, thinking he will just think im trying to get high on it. Has anyone ever had to up their dosage after they have been on it as long as I have? Do you guys think he will up me? PLEASE give me your opinion.I will end up using heroin again if I can't get more milligrams. And that is the last thing I want to do. This medication has finally helped me get my Life back and I really wannna keep it back!!!!!  PLEASE GIVE ME SOME FEED BACK?????  ***this post is edited by moderator *** *** private e-mails not allowed*** Please read our Terms of Use

Thank you for your concern.
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Well Sherry, been there, done that and the best advice is to tell your doc that your having cravings and need a dose increase, because that is what it is there for..(for most people that is). My doc was great and I could ask him anything and did..I went from 8mgs a day to 24mgs a day on the suboxone film..I told him I was white knuckling it and he didn't hesitate to help as I had always been honest with him during our doc/patient relationship. I am a firm believer in being brutally honest with your doc..you will run into some who are jerks, but you will be glad you did when you do have a doc that you can trust and be open and honest with! Good Luck!!!
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Hi Eric,
I use the prescription savings card.
It works a lot better on generics than name brands. Hope this helps.

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The situation I have is the cost of getting the prescription.  Apparently, only certain doctors can prescribe this medication and many don't take insurance so the price for a visit is, for us, $195/mo in order to get a month's prescription.  I'd be interested in knowing how others get their prescriptions.
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It's actually not funny at all. The means and ways I was able to keep up with $1000 a month habit is the whole reason I decided to try the suboxone program. I no longer sell drugs, play middle man or rob stores to get my fix. The whole point of trying this program is to get on the right track. I'm trying not to lie, cheat, and steal my way through life. I'm back in school, paying rent, bills, and car insurance and it's very trying when the medication that keeps me going is so expensive. No disrespect but I hope what I wrote will enlighten you a little bit.
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NO THEY DON'T! IF YOU ARE A MAN AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A MINOR CHILD IN YOUR CARE, YOU WILL BE DENIED. PERIOD. SOCIAL SERVICES IS FOR PREGNANT YOUNG WOMEN. PERIOD.
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