Is There a Way to Cause a Miscarriage?

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How is the baby the one that ruins 3 lives? did the baby decide to be made? no the parents decided they wanted to have some fun and the consequences don't matter because they are so young or just stupid that it would be so easy just to have a doctor take the life right out of thier body and put into a cannister to be used for god knows what. There's a reason people have trouble giving babies up once they have them to term, becuase they realize that that baby is a part of them that has grown and developed as a part of you for nearly a year, I don't see how that differs from when it is just developing it is still a life and still has a soul unlike some people. willing couples will pay for medical expenses when they cannot have babies themselves so that is just a total b.s line, and if my daughter or one of my sisters were to be raped I would want them to have the baby because it is not sick and twisted to give life to an innocent child it is however sick and twisted that someone would violently rape someone and I would probably wish the worst for that person if that did occur,

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bottom line if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen, grow up a bit will ya.

IT IS A WOMANS CHOICE TO HAVE AN ABORTION AND ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. WE CAN'T ALL BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND IF A CONDOM BREAKS AND ONE BECOMES PREGNANT, IT'S HARD AND IT'S SCARY WHEN YOU CAN'T PAY FOR AN ABORTION AND KEEP UP WITH RENT AND BILLS. "MOMMY AND DADDY" CAN'T HELP YOU WHEN THEY EITHER DON'T CARE OR DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I HAVE ALWAYS PRACTICED SAFE SEX AND IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK PRO-LIFE IS THE ONLY OPTION, GO TO HELL. THE WORLD IS OVERPOPULATED AND TOO MANY CHILDREN COME FROM BAD HOMES WITH PARENTS WHO THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG TO "KILL A CHILD", THEN ABUSE OR NEGLECT IT. GROW UP IN ONE OF THOSE HOMES THEN TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S ADOPTING YOUR CHILD AND MANY TIMES "FINANCIALLY STABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMIUNITY" ARE THE ONES YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR BECAUSE NO ONE SUSPECTS THEM OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT. YOU PRO-LIFERS ARE ENTITILED TO YOUR OPINION BUT BACK OFF AND TELL SOMEONE WHO CARES. STOP REFERRING TO GIRLS GETTING ABORTIONS MURDERERS. YOU ARE SICK AND TWISTED FOR MAKING A DIFFICULT SITUATION WORSE FOR THESE GIRLS AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. IF THEY WANT TO KEEP IT AND GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION, LET THEM DECIDE. YOU'RE PUSHY AND MAKE ME SICK, ESPECIALLY YOU MEN OUT THERE WHO THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO. USE YOU BRAIN AND BE EMPATHETIC TO THESE GIRLS. DON'T ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEM FEEL BAD OR MORE AFRAID BUT USE COMPASSION. SOME KIDS ARE BROUGHT UP IN STRICT HOMES AND DON'T ASSUME BECAUSE A GIRL IS 22 SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL HER PARENTS SOMETHING. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW HOW BADLY PARENTS CAN SCREW UP THEIR KIDS AND IF AT 22 A GIRL STILL CAN'T TALK TO THEM, IT MIGHT NOT BE BECAUSE SHE ISN'T "GROWN UP" ENOUGH. BACK OFF!

Adoption is not always an option. I'm pregnant...well maybe miscarrying now. I AM on disability (I have multiple sclerosis), I was not supposed to be able to get pregnant (endometriosis). My meds and the fact I drank (several times heavily) over the holidays before I knew both have increased the likelyhood of physical and/or mental defects.



The father is a member of the royal family of a certain Asian country that would never permit an adoptive family to take care of one of their own. They don't recognize dual citizenship, so he could get a passport for his child take it from the adoptive family and get out of the country with it.



If it was a girl she would not be allowed in public alone (ever), could never talk to a man, would learn to cover everything but her eyes, could never step onto her own front porch alone, could never drive a car, could never get education or do anything else unless her father or husband permitted it, she would have an arranged marriage sometime during her teens. If she was not a virgin her father would have the right to kill her if he wished. (He isn't a monster that would forbid her all these things or kill her....however this is the power he would hold over her.)



If it was disabled it could grow up in an institution whether a girl or a boy...the shame of having a disabled child is high. This is a country that didn't allow viagra because "it's men don't have that type of problem".



Anyhow, each circumstance is different....in mine it was either abort or keep the baby. I've skipped my first two appointments to abort...my third is this Friday. However, all my pregnancy symptoms have vanished this past week and now I'm cramping....I think I already know in my heart I've lost the baby....but perhaps God is taking care of things for me.

Oh, what an unique circumstance!

I would say go to an appointment just to make sure everything is okay.

i could only get this far before replying to this... YOU ARE REDICULOUS.



i understand people being against abortion, you dont do it then. but dont make that option unquestionable for anyone else. and the thought, of going through 9 months of pregnancy, giving birth, then just handing it over... to someone else to raise, and teach, and feed, and support. if nothing else, the emotional effect of giving up your own child could be enough to make some young girls go 'crazy'. i know i could never do it, but i am not against adoption, do not misundstand. there are plenty of cases for adoption... but abortion, or even causing a miscarriage in early stages is, and should stay, an option for anyone. youre right, they did this to themselves, these 2 individuals now have joined, and have the right to choose as they please to continue with the pregnancy or not. think in the now, in you, in what is right for your life. i am... right now... and its incredibly hard, but there is still a choice, whether YOU like it or not.

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 I did grow up in a broken home and my natural father told my mom he would pay for the abortion but guess what my mom has a soul. my father split and me and my mother had a hard time but guess what i'm happy to be alive and not some scrap in a garbage dumpster like you would have your child be and now i'm in graduate schoool. bottom line if you don't want the criticism and you don't want the responsibility and you don't want to have to worry about killing someone then be responsible and don't have sex until you are ready for those obligations period.

OKAY, seriously.

This just keeps going too far.

MANY MARRIED women never want babies at all, you are going to tel them to abstain forever?!

YOU go ahead and pop out babies without care if you personally choose to, but we do have the right to have an abortion. ... . Just like you have the right to breed without care.

If you know you are not able to care for a child the way it should be and that you cannot see someone else rasining it, then yes abortion is ok, God and everyone will understand - I mean Jesus is forgiving and loving of all of us. Do I agree with such a late term abortion, no 6 months is a bit much and this should have been taken care of long before. Should someone be scard of their parents, on occasion yes as we on this board do not know if her family is abusive or would be people to make the CHILD BORN feel ashamed of itself. Nothing is worse then a child growing up knowing that it was unwanted by all. In the first 3 weeks you can double the dose of vit c and take 2-3 black cohosh pills a day, both soften the cervix and promote blood flow. This only has a 70% working rate though and is not a sure thing like an abortion clinic. However getting rid of a child because your loved on in the after life may be disapointed is a bit much, if you both love eachother a lot, then he would understand the new child and be happy that the baby that the two of you had conceived in love would have a brother or sister to love and play with. I am sure he would be proud of what a wonderful mother and woman you are and will become.

Find a girlfriend to talk too, someone you can trust and a good shoulder to cry on. The decission you make needs to be one made with your head and heart and not one or the other.

[and if my daughter or one of my sisters were to be raped I would want them to have the baby because it is not sick and twisted to give life to an innocent child it is however sick and twisted that someone would violently rape someone and I would probably wish the worst for that person if that did occur, but it is also sick and twisted to kill an innocent child just for being. bottom line if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen, grow up a bit will ya.

:-) It's easy 4 u 2 say u would want a child conceived from a violent, sick and sadistic act of rape to still be brought into the world becuz u r not the RAPE VICTIM. It is HARD enuff, TRAUMATIC, DEPRESSING,and soemtimes IMPOSSIBLE to cope with the fact that the act did happen. But to have to look at the result of it despite how innocent that child may be........ is just too DEVASTATING. What if the child looks just like the father and u c the face of your attacker every time u look at that innocent child. Innocent or not its hard to stand... to bare. Its easier 4 u 2 SAY that than 4 u to LIVE that. LIVE it!!! Not know someone or support someone who lives it. But YOU LIVE IT!!! You tell me how it feels to flashback to being violated in such a way.Tell me how it feels to look in the mirror and wish you were dead so u wouldnt have to see those images again or shiver when you smell certain things or think about it. Or even worse when your mental state isnt right and you look at the child and want to hurt it or kill it 4 existing bcuz u cudnt get or afford an abortion. its hard enuff just going thru a pregnancy even when u r happy about it... its stressful, draining, & complicated. Some women r alone in this world and do NOT have family or friend support. Its not easy 2 walk in2 a support group full of strangers and expose such personal, embarrasing details about such a traumatic event. So NO it is not sick to abort a child in the early stages of its conception when u didnt ask 4 this child 2 b conceived & its not on any part due to your lack of being a responsible individual. Who r u 2 judge? Its not the killing of a child "just 4 being". Its how that child came 2 be!!! Since u have all the answers "GOD" :-| ...... what is the greater sin or the lesser evil? ? Aborting (killing as u call it) just the child OR Killing yourself (becuz u cant handle the reality and the horrible truth)and thus killing the child as well.... %-) :'( What if u were never in the kitchen bcuz u knew u couldnt take that type of heat and somebody dragged u in there against your will (sex via rape) and made u face that heat (pregnancy)? :'( & u say grow up a bit... U r the one who needs 2 grow up a bit and be more mindful of what u say. Dont talk on this site just bcuz u have a mouth... talk bcuz u have something meaningful or helpful 2 say. My guess is that u r a man/boy & that a continuing a pregnacy via rape is a decision that u will never have 2 make. :-) But maybe u shud think about how u would feel if your wife was raped and u had 2 look at another mans' face on a baby that came out of your wife. & if your wife wouldnt let you touch her or come within a certain amount of feet of her. Or sleep in the same bed or room with you. Or if she has nightmares everynight & wakes up screaming thats if she gets any sleep at all. Or maybe doctors have given her so much medication to help her mental state bcuz of the rape that u dont know who she is anymore. Or maybe she wont touch or look at the child & u have 2 raise her baby that she has with another man. Or maybe she wants 2 kill that baby. I guess u will just give the baby away like its an old unwanted toy... out of sight of of mind problem handled 4 u. but still your wife will have to live & cope with the fact that she #1 was raped # 2 was pregnant as a result # 3 gave the child away #4 may have 2 face this child & explain y & relive it all again years down the line if/when the child seeks her out. >:( I bet if you got raped in your a%$ and if it were possible 4 men to have babies via their a%$ you would be at the clinic before they opened with cofee and donuts for the satff. The same type of violation you would feel if a man raped you in your a%$ is similiar to the violation that women rape victims feel. (That is unless you are gay which is okay if thats what u like) But still rape is rape gay or straight.
So like i said .... its very easy ( 8) ) 4 a person to just start talking when they dont have to worry about making that type of decision. So try to really REALLY step out side your self and put your self in anothers person shoes before you go judging them. Becuz ultimately.... you have no right to judge.... you are not "GOD". !

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if you are not willing to take on the responsibility of a child then you should not be practicing any type of sex. How is the baby the one that ruins 3 lives? did the baby decide to be made? no the parents decided they wanted to have some fun and the consequences don't matter because they are so young or just stupid that it would be so easy just to have a doctor take the life right out of thier body and put into a cannister to be used for god knows what. There's a reason people have trouble giving babies up once they have them to term, becuase they realize that that baby is a part of them that has grown and developed as a part of you for nearly a year, I don't see how that differs from when it is just developing it is still a life and still has a soul unlike some people. willing couples will pay for medical expenses when they cannot have babies themselves so that is just a total b.s line, and if my daughter or one of my sisters were to be raped I would want them to have the baby because it is not sick and twisted to give life to an innocent child it is however sick and twisted that someone would violently rape someone and I would probably wish the worst for that person if that did occur, but it is also sick and twisted to kill an innocent child just for being. bottom line if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen, grow up a bit will ya.

It's easy 4 u 2 say u would want a child conceived from a violent, sick and sadistic act of rape to still be brought into the world becuz u r not the RAPE VICTIM. It is HARD enuff, TRAUMATIC, DEPRESSING,and soemtimes IMPOSSIBLE to cope with the fact that the act did happen. But to have to look at the result of it despite how innocent that child may be........ is just too DEVASTATING. What if the child looks just like the father and u c the face of your attacker every time u look at that innocent child. Innocent or not its hard to stand... to bare. Its easier 4 u 2 SAY that than 4 u to LIVE that. LIVE it!!! Not know someone or support someone who lives it. But YOU LIVE IT!!! You tell me how it feels to flashback to being violated in such a way.Tell me how it feels to look in the mirror and wish you were dead so u wouldnt have to see those images again or shiver when you smell certain things or think about it. Or even worse when your mental state isnt right and you look at the child and want to hurt it or kill it 4 existing bcuz u cudnt get or afford an abortion. Some women r alone in this world and do NOT have family or friend support. Its not easy 2 walk in2 a support group full of strangers and expose such personal, embarrasing details about such a traumatic event. So NO it is not sick to abort a child in the early stages of its conception when u didnt ask 4 this child 2 b conceived & its not on any part due to your lack of being a responsible individual. Who r u 2 judge? Its not the killing of a child "just 4 being". Its how that child came 2 be!!! Since u have all the answers "GOD" :idea: ...... what is the greater sin or the lesser evil? Aborting (killing as u call it) just the child OR Killing yourself (becuz u cant handle the reality and the horrible truth)and thus killing the child as well.... :? What if u were never in the kitchen bcuz u knew u couldnt take that type of heat and somebody dragged u in there against your will (sex via rape) and made u face that heat (pregnancy)? & u say grow up a bit... U r the one who needs 2 grow up a bit and be more mindful of what u say. Dont talk on this site just bcuz u have a mouth... talk bcuz u have something meaningful or helpful 2 say. My guess is that u r a man/boy & that a continuing a pregnacy via rape is a decision that u will never have 2 make. But maybe u shud think about how u would feel if your wife was raped and u had 2 look at another mans' face on a baby that came out of your wife. & if your wife wouldnt let you touch her or come within a certain amount of feet of her. Or sleep in the same bed or room with you. Or if she has nightmares everynight & wakes up screaming if she gets any sleep at all. Or maybe doctors have given her so much medication to help her mental state bcuz of the rape that u dont know who she is anymore. Or maybe she wont touch or look at the child & u have 2 raise her baby that she has with another man. Or maybe she wants 2 kill that baby. I guess u will just give the baby away like its an old unwanted toy... out of sight of of mind problem handled 4 u. but still your wife will have to live & cope with the fact that she #1 was raped # 2 was pregnant as a result # 3 gave the child away #4 may have 2 face this child & explain y & relive it all again years down the line if/when the child seeks her out. :x I bet if you got raped in your a%$ and if it were possible 4 men to have babies via their a%$ you would be at the clinic before they opened with cofee and donuts for the satff. The same type of violation you would feel if a man raped you in your a%$ is similiar to the violation that women rape victims feel. (That is unless you are gay which is okay if thats what u like) But still rape is rape gay or straight.
So like i said .... its very easy 4 a person to just start talking when they dont have to worry about making that type of decision. So try to really REALLY step out side your self and put your self in anothers person shoes before you go judging them. Becuz ultimately.... you have no right to judge.... you are not "GOD".

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 my previous girlfriend was raped before she was with me and we had conversations of how she would have had the baby if she was pregnant. she said she may have given it up for adoption but she wasn't sure. i'm not saying that rape isn't a terrible thing people who rape people should have much harsher punishments than they do. however I still do not agree at all with abortion. all of you people just look at it as an easy way out. if I ever was to think abortion would be the answer it would be first if the mother was told by doctors that she would absolutely die, secondly would be if she was raped, although i do not agree with this. I don't care if you think i'm a bible thumper whether I am or not does not matter, killing another person is not right whether you believe in god or not bottom line. just like raping someone is not right. although what you're saying is that killing someone is o.k if it makes it so your life is easier. ok so let's say raping someone is o.k sometimes, let's say for sh**s someone has a rare mental problem that just drives them crazy and the doctor says the only way he can get rid of the problem is to rape somebody. well according to what you're saying it's o.k. sh*t that person doesn't matter to me as long as i help myself out and save myself some trauma that's fine to go just rape some girl walking down the streets and fix my problem then i don't have to think about it because i helped myself. maybe i am being a little judgemental and for that i apoligize but can have my opinions just like you. but this topic kinda hits close to home with me coming from a broken home and my "father" more like a sperm donor offering my 17 year old mother to pay for the abortion. i'm not gonna lie I like being alive, as i am sure many aborted babies would like to be alive, I did have it rough coming up but I really like to be alive and experience both good and bad things and grow stronger and smarter and i am very thankful that my mother did not take the easy way out.

EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

Live with it.

What the hell is the point in arguing about it? do you think you are going to change each others minds?

There are people on this website who have gone through abortions or miscarriages who might read this, did you think of them?

No disrespect to either of you, but this conversation is futile. and never ending. its a debate that has raged on for decades, you ain't going to solve it here.

I understand you both may have very strong feelings about the subject. I know. Be the bigger woman/man.

And I understand that you feel strongly about that considering your personal situation. But the point that I was making to you was that it's not that easy or as simple as you were making it seem. I am not on here to argue with you or anyone else. It just bothers me how people can be so judgemental of others with out thinking about what that persons particular situation happens to be. Yes.... there are some women who use abortion as a birth control; know that they dont want children, have unprotected sex get pregnant 2 to 3 times a year and then run 2 the clinic. But not all of them. Some people are responsible enuff to take precaution but nature still happens. And I didn’t say killing someone is okay if it makes your life easier. Its not about making your life easier, :-) its about providing a safe and healthy existence for that baby. People get so hung up on > oh it’s a life it’s a life but they don’t really sit down and think about the quality of that life. Yes there are resources for unwanted babies but the truth is a lot of those children don’t get adopted and some of their foster parents neglect them, abuse them, among other things. So what do you feel about that? Do you think a child is better off just existing even if they are existing in there own little personal hell. Maybe they don’t feel happy 2 be alive like you… maybe they want 2 kill themselves or live a really messed up life drugging and slumming bcuz that’s what their parents raised them around ; that does happen more than you think. You were blessed to have a mother who was strong enuff and loved u still.
But i just feel strongly about women having unwanted babies bcuz sometimes people (mother/father) neglect them, abuse them, hurt them, kill them or let other people do harm to them. I work in a correctional facility and i see these people and i read their files and listen to their view of it (sick/some sad). A sex offender on my load received his charges bcuz he let people pay him to have sex with his 3 year old daughter. he had been doing that since she was about 2 months. he started 1st putting his fingers in her and then let his friends and then others. The mother knew... but didnt care... didnt want the baby anyway... she threw it in the garbage after she came home from the hospital with her. He went back 2 get her out the garbage only 2 do sick things to her. I personally think it would have been better for that little girl to have never existed than 2 exist like that > torture, violation. I know your mom struggled with you but at least she wanted you and cared for you with whatever she had... she still loved you. Fathers are important too & wud have been nice 2 have him around but damn your father. To me a mothers love is the most important becuz she carries you and if she doesnt care thats hard 2 deal with. Thats why i think sometimes people need 2 get abortions because not all people are parent material nor do they have the sense or decency to at least put the child up 4 adoption or leave it at a safe haven. It breaks my heart 2 see neglected children. My sister and my bestfriend work at dyfs and the stories i hear make me cry. I couldnt work for dyfs becuz i would probably get fired and get the department sued for my actions. I could see my self losing control and beating the hell out of some of those parents for some of the things they do: especially the sexual violations that perform or allow to take place.
And It is a big difference between a woman getting an abortion bcuz she was raped and now her sanity and well being is on the line versus some one with a mental illness that will be/feel better if they are allowed 2 ruthlessly kill. For one, that may be that womans’ only abortion ever with out the intent of continuously killing innocent people (babies are not guaranteed 2 survive either so that’s not a definitive life yet; especially in the 1st trimester) who are already breathing, living lives with families like the mental ill person u described. Its not about her feeling better its about her being in a safe and stable condition. Stress kills and a person can die from that type of mental strain if they fall so far down in a rut or become so disgusted with their present condition that they don’t care 2 live. Thus killing that baby anyway. You said it wud be okay if the mothers life were on the line…. Either abort the baby or u die. In my example the mothers life is on the line: if she doesn’t abort the baby she may die from all the mental & emotional stress affecting how she cares for herself or she may just kill herself. So her life is on the line. Anyway all i was asking…. although i may have been a little worked up... was that you try 2 look at it from the other side. Not all people are strong. And not all people who get abortions are heartless and irresponsible individuals. Just think about that aspect and tell me what you think. PS.. I don’t want to argue so I apologize if my tone offended you… just a touchy subject.

agreed. sorry if i have offended anyone

DESPICABLE NOT DISPICABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are going to throw around such a strong word at least spell it correctly.