BTW I went into 12th grade without adderall and got the best grade I had ever gotten in my life and I went to a college prep school. My last 2 semester I got a 3.5 and have been killing it in college. I honestly went back on Adderall a month ago for for sports use because Its hard to perform at soccer as well as I used to on adderal. plus i gained like 40 lbs off of adderall. A lot of it was muscle but a decent amt of fat as well.
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Umm. I'm not the one who brought up religion. I was simply stating my point of view. I guess because I'm not religious I don't deserve help either. I wrote that when I was really depressed and angry. Don't try and reach out to me though. That was me admitting I'm suicidal and the only thing that helps is knowing when I die I won't burn I. Hell. I don't want anyone living with that thought because it doesn't help when your depressed to think that there is some God out there that will fix all of your problems. That's simply just not true. I'm in school for biochemistry and the chemical simalaritues between amphetamine and meth are strikingly similar. Adderall is clean and is completely processed through and absorbed by the body where as meth isn't and those sore are due to the toxins trying to escape the body. There are tremendous similarities in the way that the two effect the way your brain processes and digests the chemicals. They activate the same areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex. The problem is that taking this medication is only a psuedo/temporary bandage to the real problem. It is actually detrimental to the patient because it causes the to never develope any coping skills for the disease. I've been doing some research on links between autism and behavioral problems such as ADHD and I've found that there are a vast amount of similarities in the two. I think that ADHD is a mild form of high functioning autism and by taking this medication you are enabling yourself to lose what little ability you had to function an your on. You take this medicine for years and then you stop. Guess what happens? You are Now completely lost and unaware how to cope socially causing many of the same symptoms of aspergers. I suggest each and everyone of you look into aspergers and see if it correlates with the way that you are feeling. Ladies and gentlemen we are socially retarded and that is depressing. Toodiloo xx
Every person's belief system is very personal and different. It is sometimes their belief in a higher power that keeps millions of people going and motivating them to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I am familiar with our constitutional right to free speech...I was merely asking you to keep your opinion to yourself if you are stating your subjective opinion as a "fact" that is impossible to prove. You are not stating proven facts, just a very negative and destructive opinion. How dare you try to take away even one shred of hope that is a primal need for the survival for most of the human race. If you do not want anyone to reach out to you then do not announce (on a public forum) that you want to kill yourself...in doing that you appear to be contradicting yourself. As far as feeling angry, sad, anxious, depressed and suicidal...welcome to the club! Your feelings matter, but do not give you the right to discourage others battling the same feelings of misery. I am, however, aware that we live in a FREE COUNTRY...but just because you find some individual justification through your angle on your personal beliefs/religion, to take your own life...does not give you the right to attempt to justify (which is almost encouraging) millions of others to commit suicide with a declaration of unfounded "facts" about the spiritual consequences of suicide. I relate to your feelings and theories...and am sorry for your all too common mental state. It is a state of existence you share with over half of the world's population as depression, anxiety and suicide have become an epidemic. I am a research anthropologist, studying patterns of human behavior in relation to their belief systems and individual environment. That still does not qualify me either to comment on ANYONE'S beliefs or religion as a FACT. There is actually more scientific and mathematical evidence in the world of physics that contradicts your 'non-belief' of the existence of a higher power; and all of it's common elements. There is also and a thousand tons of logical consistencies that easily disproves your hypothesis. Simply start reading up on the thousands of recorded experiences of life after death victims. It may just surprise you and actually give you a much needed shred of hope for yourself and the manner in which you attempt to manage your mental/emotional condition...It surely helped me. I am aware that certain things that have helped me and millions of others may not help you. So I would never assume to state anything that lacks solid scientific evidence as a fact to influence anyone. In any matter...IF you are not SINCERELY trying to really help someone in a positive way...especially in the vulnerable state we on this forum obviously are in...then please...keep your unfounded "facts" about God to yourself; as their belief in God is sometimes is the only thing that is keeping them alive and helping them to continue to make efforts to improve their lives. It is possible to do so. The darkness of all of our suicidal thoughts hopefully WILL eventually lift one day in the near future, but most probably will reoccur, sometimes very frequently, throughout our lifetime. That seems more to be your personal demon to manage and find ways to cope with; not the long term effects of Adderall. Adderall has never been even remotely linked to suicide. That would be severe depression and/or anxiety; which both exists in us with or without Adderall. It is our individual and very personal decision on how we decide to manage it. If you read any of my other posts you would see that I actually agree with your theories of long term Adderall use to brain functioning dependence. Anyone's personal use of Adderall is not our business. We are not living their lives where there may sometimes be a critical need to numb feelings continually...because even before they had Adderall, they certainly could not cope or function normally in any way and were in a dangerous state of hopelessness. In those cases, it may be critical to take Adderall long term. But again, it is not our business to assume we know their needs. Nor to judge them, instruct them, or discourage them in any way. As you said about the severe level of your unstable and very severe emotional state...most of us on here are right there with you; and certainly DO NOT NEED any negative or discouraging feedback. You have no idea how fragile a state anyone is in. None of us, including you, need any kind of push in the wrong direction; and this forum is especially not the place to knock down others beliefs in God with your personal and completely unfounded opinions stated to us as "facts". The purpose for these forums IS not only to reach out for answers, but implement positive support to our fellow 'miserables'. I certainly hope you find the answers you need to cope and keep yourself alive. Life is a very complex and difficult journey. You are ultimately in control of those decisions that positively or negatively affect your existence and quality of life, or no life at all. Keep fighting the good fight...the probability that you have people in your life that love and need you is statistically very strong. My long message here is simply a request to negate all negative responses that my may harm or discourage any one. Especially when it comes to something others are finding peace in, and is so subjective that no one has the right to condemn it or dismiss it as helpful; because in their minds, God, Heaven, Hell, etc...DOES exist. And this very personal belief brings them hope, which we are doomed without. I hope you get the hope you need to live your life with some shred of joy or contentment.
Sadly, I think our society as a whole become hope-averse. You can see it just by looking at the direction of conversation - and vilifying responses- in this forum since a guest last week dared to mention God.
I think you're absolutely right. There are studies upon studies showing that people who hope in a higher power have a better chance of a full recovery than those who don't have faith in anything. But studies aside, when did we become so vicious in our attacks against people who don't share our views? (...Chik-fil-A)
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Umm. I'm not the one who brought up religion. I was simply stating my point of view. I guess because I'm not religious I don't deserve help either. I wrote that when I was really depressed and angry. Don't try and reach out to me though. That was me admitting I'm suicidal and the only thing that helps is knowing when I die I won't burn I. Hell. I don't want anyone living with that thought because it doesn't help when your depressed to think that there is some God out there that will fix all of your problems. That's simply just not true. I'm in school for biochemistry and the chemical simalaritues between amphetamine and meth are strikingly similar. Adderall is clean and is completely processed through and absorbed by the body where as meth isn't and those sore are due to the toxins trying to escape the body. There are tremendous similarities in the way that the two effect the way your brain processes and digests the chemicals. They activate the same areas of the brain, the prefrontal cortex and cerebral cortex. The problem is that taking this medication is only a psuedo/temporary bandage to the real problem. It is actually detrimental to the patient because it causes the to never develope any coping skills for the disease. I've been doing some research on links between autism and behavioral problems such as ADHD and I've found that there are a vast amount of similarities in the two. I think that ADHD is a mild form of high functioning autism and by taking this medication you are enabling yourself to lose what little ability you had to function an your on. You take this medicine for years and then you stop. Guess what happens? You are Now completely lost and unaware how to cope socially causing many of the same symptoms of aspergers. I suggest each and everyone of you look into aspergers and see if it correlates with the way that you are feeling. Ladies and gentlemen we are socially retarded and that is depressing. Toodiloo xx
Every person's belief system is very personal and different. It is sometimes their belief in a higher power that keeps millions of people going and motivating them to keep putting one foot in front of the other. I am familiar with our constitutional right to free speech...I was merely asking you to keep your opinion to yourself if you are stating your subjective opinion as a "fact" that is impossible to prove. You are not stating proven facts, just a very negative and destructive opinion. How dare you try to take away even one shred of hope that is a primal need for the survival for most of the human race. If you do not want anyone to reach out to you then do not announce (on a public forum) that you want to kill yourself...in doing that you appear to be contradicting yourself. As far as feeling angry, sad, anxious, depressed and suicidal...welcome to the club! Your feelings matter, but do not give you the right to discourage others battling the same feelings of misery. I am, however, aware that we live in a FREE COUNTRY...but just because you find some individual justification through your angle on your personal beliefs/religion, to take your own life...does not give you the right to attempt to justify (which is almost encouraging) millions of others to commit suicide with a declaration of unfounded "facts" about the spiritual consequences of suicide. I relate to your feelings and theories...and am sorry for your all too common mental state. It is a state of existence you share with over half of the world's population as depression, anxiety and suicide have become an epidemic. I am a research anthropologist, studying patterns of human behavior in relation to their belief systems and individual environment. That still does not qualify me either to comment on ANYONE'S beliefs or religion as a FACT. There is actually more scientific and mathematical evidence in the world of physics that contradicts your 'non-belief' of the existence of a higher power; and all of it's common elements. There is also and a thousand tons of logical consistencies that easily disproves your hypothesis. Simply start reading up on the thousands of recorded experiences of life after death victims. It may just surprise you and actually give you a much needed shred of hope for yourself and the manner in which you attempt to manage your mental/emotional condition...It surely helped me. I am aware that certain things that have helped me and millions of others may not help you. So I would never assume to state anything that lacks solid scientific evidence as a fact to influence anyone. In any matter...IF you are not SINCERELY trying to really help someone in a positive way...especially in the vulnerable state we on this forum obviously are in...then please...keep your unfounded "facts" about God to yourself; as their belief in God is sometimes is the only thing that is keeping them alive and helping them to continue to make efforts to improve their lives. It is possible to do so. The darkness of all of our suicidal thoughts hopefully WILL eventually lift one day in the near future, but most probably will reoccur, sometimes very frequently, throughout our lifetime. That seems more to be your personal demon to manage and find ways to cope with; not the long term effects of Adderall. Adderall has never been even remotely linked to suicide. That would be severe depression and/or anxiety; which both exists in us with or without Adderall. It is our individual and very personal decision on how we decide to manage it. If you read any of my other posts you would see that I actually agree with your theories of long term Adderall use to brain functioning dependence. Anyone's personal use of Adderall is not our business. We are not living their lives where there may sometimes be a critical need to numb feelings continually...because even before they had Adderall, they certainly could not cope or function normally in any way and were in a dangerous state of hopelessness. In those cases, it may be critical to take Adderall long term. But again, it is not our business to assume we know their needs. Nor to judge them, instruct them, or discourage them in any way. As you said about the severe level of your unstable and very severe emotional state...most of us on here are right there with you; and certainly DO NOT NEED any negative or discouraging feedback. You have no idea how fragile a state anyone is in. None of us, including you, need any kind of push in the wrong direction; and this forum is especially not the place to knock down others beliefs in God with your personal and completely unfounded opinions stated to us as "facts". The purpose for these forums IS not only to reach out for answers, but implement positive support to our fellow 'miserables'. I certainly hope you find the answers you need to cope and keep yourself alive. Life is a very complex and difficult journey. You are ultimately in control of those decisions that positively or negatively affect your existence and quality of life, or no life at all. Keep fighting the good fight...the probability that you have people in your life that love and need you is statistically very strong. My long message here is simply a request to negate all negative responses that my may harm or discourage any one. Especially when it comes to something others are finding peace in, and is so subjective that no one has the right to condemn it or dismiss it as helpful; because in their minds, God, Heaven, Hell, etc...DOES exist. And this very personal belief brings them hope, which we are doomed without. I hope you get the hope you need to live your life with some shred of joy or contentment.
Sadly, I think our society as a whole become hope-averse. You can see it just by looking at the direction of conversation - and vilifying responses- in this forum since a guest last week dared to mention God.
I think you're absolutely right. There are studies upon studies showing that people who hope in a higher power have a better chance of a full recovery than those who don't have faith in anything. But studies aside, when did we become so vicious in our attacks against people who don't share our views? (...Chik-fil-A)
Nastiness in response to subjects not understood or agreed upon is a natural reaction causing complete Intolerance and often, violence. But this is because lacking the understanding of your opponents beliefs and/or why they believe the things they do. Chick fil-A is a good example. I for one do not personally agree with the views of the CEO of Chick fil-A, however I completely understand why the people did what they did to demostrate their personal values to the world. I understand WHY they believe what they do. This breeds increased tolerance for their actions. Unfortunately for most, these demonstrations and any demonstrations that are similar to this example only drives their opponents further away from adopting or attempting to understand their views. This results in even more nasty intolerance. Ignorance is the enemy of our human race and the catalyst for centuries of war, billions of deaths, and the division of otherwise strengthened states of unity. We continue to be our own worst enemy. This flaw in our human nature continues to encourage conflict that causes gridlock in in finding effective solutions for the good of a nation or the best interest of our world's population.
Well, anyway, that's just me. Others might never experience these symptoms. I got off the pill for good because I truly believe it was harming me. It's ten times harder for me to function, but I do. I get sh*t done, I remember, I have control over my daydreaming, I eat nice and healthy to keep my brain and heart and nervous system in check, I'm doing great and I would recommend kicking adderall to anyone and everyone.
Just recently I stopped taking it abruptly and I feel the severe withdraw effects that it brings. I now go to school everyday with a terrible withdraw, but I really want to get off of this medication and thats what I tell myself if I start to feel unmotivated and lazy, or just down right sick. If I can stop taking it, so can you. Just push through it.