Suboxone treatment is hell to come off of, and I cant stop!

Clonidine(Catapres Patch) should help with the restless legs. If you are really depressed you may have depression as a condition separate from addiction. May have other problems such as hypothyroidism or adrenal insufficiency, etc. Ask your doc about these possibilities.

Its all a BIG BIG lie and LIES GET OFF IT soon and expect 2 weeks of living hell.7 DAYS PURE HELL 7 days half hell.I can not stress this enough.Its better to abuse oxy for a while as long as you know your gonna get off.

Well first of its your own fault for using opiets for 10 years probably every day, I used oxys for a year and a half every day I've been on suboxens since December 19th and they work awsome I don't even feel the need to go take the suboxen every day my doctor said she only wants me on it for a month because I'm so young and doesn't want me getting addicted to suboxen so in reality it's your own fault for using that much I feel great I'm a lot happier now I'm on suboxens I've gotten a lot closer with my family since I started the program maybe u shouldn't have stayed on suboxens for that long

I understand!!!!A doctor had me on suboxone for about 8 yrs treating opiet abuse.New doctors recently took over the practice and I am on a 6 month taper.I am on such a low dose that I feel like c**p all the time I have no energy and my will to live has left me.I can't imagine being off suboxin all together next month.I live in Maine and it's nearly impossible to get treatment or even on suboxin and I worry that soon I will not be able to function at all.I wish I had good news for you.what doctors don't tell you is that people don't successfully ever get off suboxin they just get back into drugs if they can't get suboxin..

I've come off of subs twice now. The first time I was only on them for about 3 months and quit CT at 8mgs a day. I felt like hell for a few weeks but nothing too bad. I was able to stay clean for a little over 2 years and felt better than I had in YEARS! Then I re injured my surgically repaired shoulder in 2010 and my ortho put me on tramadol. Now that was some hell! I couldn't quit no matter what. That was by far the most intense WDs I have ever felt. After a year of 15-20 50mg pills a day I went back to subs. I started at 16mgs/day (way to high) and stayed there for a year (again, way too long). I eventually weened down to 2mgs a day over a years time and that's when I hit the brick wall. Even the smallest drop would cause severe WDs so I figured the hell with it and jumped. That was 23 days ago. The first 2 weeks were hell on earth but I got through. Now at 3 weeks I have some good moments and some bad. It comes and goes and I know all about paws so I'm certainly not out of the weeds yet but I'm functioning and returning to normal VERY slowly. I'm eating a little bit now and sleeping 5-6 hours each night. Still have high anxiety, RLS and waves of depression but I KNOW I CAN stick this out and return to being normal and drug free like before so many years ago. It's a long road, but not hopeless. The best thing that works for me is staying active, marinating my daily routine and trying to stay positive. I have 2 small children so this for them. I'm only 33 and I plan to be around for a long time. F' subs and opiates. And I would suggest anybody going through opiate WDs, ride it out and stay away from subs. They are just as bad if not worse to come off of unless you only use them for a very short time (1-2 months TOPS) at a low dose. Don't start at any more than 4 mgs. That's all you need. The Drs try to hook you and they do with the ridiculously high induction doses!

I am on 45 days off of subs, was on for 3 years,32mg for pain.I still feel awful, no energy,anxiety and panic attacks and had to quit my job of 8 years cause I feel I have half a brain..this is horrible

Did you taper down or jump from 32mgs? From what I learned AFTER the fact is that 32 mgs is waaaay too high for anybody. Subs are so powerful. Last winter i had tapered down to 4mgs then I had dental surgery after Xmas and was on Vike 10's for a week at 10 pills a day and STILL had WDs from the 4mgs of subs. That's when I realized just how powerful it really is. 100 mgs/day of hydro condone should zap any opiate WDs but it barely touch the sub WDs. I eventually stopped the Vikes and went back to my 1/4 sub a day and dealt with the pain just to stop the WDs! This is something that Drs and the manufacturer don't tell you until it's too late. Fortunately it DOES get better. I jut takes a long time. I'm on day 23 and can tell the difference between just yesterday. But sub WDs is tricky and I know it can return without notice at anytime. Keep plugging away. Getting clean is so worth the pain and you'll be amazed at how much better you feel drug free once the WDs subside. PAWS suck but it's really a mental chess match for you at this point. Just don't give up.

I have come so far :) its over

Sorry I'm not sure if this message I'm writing is gonna go to the originator of the question but here goes for what it's worth. Long story short I was an opiate addict for about 6 years, got right on methadone luckily only for 1 month until I heard about suboxone/buprenorphine and it was a "cure all" for me. But, after being on subs for 5.5 years I decided to get off of it on my own since my Dr never had any solid answers for me whenever I asked the simple question "how do I get off this sh*t? taper off?" to no avail. I was taking 16mg's of it daily for those whole 5.5 years also. So I used my last script I got from my Dr, moved to Vegas (I'm not a big party/go out drinking type of guy so Vegas wasn't at all a bad influence on me) so I started weaning off even though I knew I was doing it too fast. I stretched a 1 month script into 2 months - which is hardly "weaning" off (I know), it's the drug addict mentality in me that made me think everything would be all good. Well a few days after I had my last Sub the pains and aches and everything set in and it was getting worse and worse by the day. From when I first started withdrawing it lasted appx 10 f*****g weeks - it was absolute hell. So bad I called my parents, told them I couldn't even care for myself so they let me stay at their house to detox thankfully and EVENTUALLY after 10 weeks that felt like 10 months the physical symptoms were gone but a new nightmare I hadn't anticipated popped up - the absolute worst depression I've ever felt. After doing a lot of research I learned that basically EVERYBODY's brains naturally produce opiates, and when you abuse thing like heroin, vicodin etc your brain for lack of a better term says "Since you're flooding your brain/system with all these opiates I don't need to produce opiates naturally anymore" and those naturally occurring opiates are part of our mood regulating system so when you stop slamming heroin or popping pills there's no more opiates AT ALL in your head which in turn create one hell of a depression problem and unfortunately 10-15% of all opiate addicts that quit there drug of choice - their brains DO NOT continue back up producing those natural opiates anymore, and from what I've read it can take a few weeks, to a few months to even years for your brain to kick back in again producing opiates. But I've already tried almost 14 different anti depressants and I hated every experience so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. But I do know that when I take a traquilizer like clonopin or xanax my mental state gets a much needed relief from my own thoughts so that's kinds what I'm doing now, benzos are helping me out and hopefully things get better for me asap - and that's my story...

It’s very easy for doctors to start pescribing suboxone. All they have to do it take an eight hour online course and boom they have been legal drug dealer . Getting a license to pescribe suboxone is akin to have an atm in the waiting room where every one deposits Money into ur account . But none of these doctors know how to successfully get one out ... the easiest way to get on short acting opioids and then wean yourself off them . Just be ok them for 3 month . But please don't try getting high on them. Just take enough to keep u comfortable . By the end of the 2nd month most of the Suboxone is worn off . Hence on the 3rd start tapering . At the start of the month 1 itself start an exercise regime , take a lot of herbs and stuff that will help ur brain healt and also help ur brain start producing it's own dopamine, serotonin and oxytocin

I have self-detoxed oc's, zohydro,all hydrocodone & oxycodone variety available. Methadone & subtext, illicit pure forms I take the 5th. Find some Benzos, weed & 2 weeks to disappear & lose 12 lbs of toxins. I was always alone, buy frozen dinners & Gatorade.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Subs are MUCH WORSE AND HARDER to stop. The WD are so intense and last so long due to the incredible half-life and affinity subs have for your receptors. I was projectile vomiting constantly, couldn't keep fluids in my body, ended up in the ER. Couldn't sleep for a week straight. CRIPPLING ANXIETY. PANIC ATTACKS. Felt like death and could barely get any sleep for months. Cold sweats. Depression for a year. Still don't feel right. Visit ***this post is edited by moderator *** *** posting of web addresses is not allowed*** Please read our Terms of Use The Dr's are pretty much ignorant on what subs do to your mind and body they don't know how it destroys you more than other opiates, they feed on the pharma BS.

I've been on methadone for 20 years, liquid handcuffs, it doesn't either one it could take a year or 18 months.

I know it’s been over a year but just wanted to see how you’re doing if you’re even still active on this website. I came off subs cold turkey before but I was only on 6mg daily for about a year. I had adderal to help me although I used it sparingly because I was trying to come off all drugs. Well the adderal helped immensely. I was already not sleeping from withdrawal so no big deal. It didn’t cause me any extra anxiety or withdrawal symptoms that I’m aware of. But this was a few years ago and I since relapsed and am back in suboxone treatment. I’m on 6mg again and it’s been a year since I started my treatment again. I’m not looking forward to coming off subs again. My provider is super understanding and really good at advocating for being totally clean rather than staying on suboxone. Which is rare in my experience. All my other providers whenever I asked to start a taper they would give me this stupid blank stare and ask me “why?” It blew my damn mind. My current provider is all for me getting completely clean while keeping me informed of the risks and what to expect. Thing is unfortunately I’m no stranger to withdrawals. I know what to expect. Now it’s super hard for me to determine if methadone or suboxone was harder to kick because I kicked 40mg methadone with clonadine and a 7 day supply of Xanax... I know 40mg is on the lower side but my withdrawals lasted a month. I didn’t have adderal this time to help. Same as you I didn’t sleep for at least a week. I tried everything from meditation to weed and beer and not a wink of sleep. I think the insomnia was the worst part for me. But methadone was hell to come off of. I want to say coming off the 6mg of subs was way easier with adderal to help. I recall having a week of no sleep and then Bam! Just like that my sleep was normal again and I felt better all around. Two weeks I want to say is all it took to get off the suboxone with very little lingering withdrawal symptoms. Really bad Anhedonia kicked in about 2 months after I kicked subs and I relapsed. I couldn’t shake the cravings or the flat mood I felt... anyways this is rather long I apologize. I hope you are still clean and life is going well for you!!

Idk if you will even see this since you commented over a year ago but while my heart goes out to all addicts and everything we have been through as addicts. I have to absolutely agree with the few others who have said it’s NOT your doctors fault for your lack of understanding. There’s always the rare occasion, but from reading these comments, most of you are literate and seem like you grasp basic concepts. Well how is it your doctors fault that you got hooked on a substance? Other than surgery and the rare off label use of suboxone as an antidepressant, I have to firmly believe that we’re all capable of asking questions and like a couple others said, we are in the age of information. It’s on US to do deep research on medication that WE put into our own bodies. The doctor may tell you that you absolutely NEED this maintenance medicine but at the end of the day, you have the power to say something as simple as “I’d like to do a little bit of my own research on this medication and see if it’s right for me.”. hell you can even fill the script, take it home, then do your research on it. If you decide that the medication you are in current possession of isn’t in your best interest then you can return it to any pharmacy free of charge.


Seriously. We need to take responsibility for ourselves. I’m so tired of seeing people so mad at their situation and I do empathize. Trust me. I lost everything to my addiction and am still dealing with the aftermath of my decisions while in active addiction. I lost my cars, my house that I was owning and not renting, my girlfriend and 4 kids are now gone. If anyone has been through the ringer and can understand, it’s me. There’s people worse off and my heart breaks for them but that’s absolutely no excuse to start pointing fingers at everyone else because you can’t swallow the fact that you put yourself in this position. Dr, make money off prescriptions, sure? What’s wrong with that? I can even get over the fact that pharmaceutical companies give bonuses and rebates and coupons from DRs. proscribing their medication. Money is what drives the world, the economy. Yes some capitalism can be downright shady but unless it’s directly affecting me, then why would I care? We all want to be free do we not? Free to peruse whatever life we want? Free to dedicate your life to money or dedicate your life to a church and not give a damn about money. That’s the beauty of freedom. Drs, to get that title of “doctor” had to go through a whole bunch of intensive schooling for years. Not to mention they have to continue their schooling for the entire time they are working as a doctor. School never ends for them since the medical world is constantly changing and evolving. They have to keep up with the times. My hat comes off to the dedication it takes to be legitimately called a doctor.

Now yes, just like any other profession, just like people in general despite profession, there’s always gonna be a bad egg so to speak. There’s bad PEOPLE. Not just all doctors are bad, or all police are bad or politicians even. The PEOPLE are bad. Not the profession. I was a car salesman :) I bet anyone reading this right now is cringing because most people have a preconceived notion that ALL car salesman are sleazy, lying, forceful and always putting pressure on you. While yes, done the right way, other than outright lying, the rest of the list is a good way to make car sales. But I’m the exception, I never pressured anyone despite my boss constantly being up my ass about “letting customers walk” I knew myself well enough and knew people well enough that for the most part I could sense if a car deal was gonna get done today or not at all or sometime in the future. I had no interest in putting pressure on my clients, or fast talking them or not disclosing small little details about a used car if I knew about them. I mean technically disclosing knowing about a small scratch in the paint isn’t exactly my job as a car salesman now is it? if my customer didn’t see the scratch on the car, and I was aware of it, where does morality stand? Well with me I would always disclose whatever I knew about a car, even if it hurt my chances of selling a car that day because I knew if I was honest that it doesn’t matter when, but this customer will buy a car from me in the future. Because I didn’t hide things or pressure them or answer questions that I didn’t have answers to.

Anyways I digress. And apologize for the wall of text but it irks me that people won’t take responsibility for themselves. Doctors are doing a job. Some may be in it for the money and do some questionable things, like being a pill mill or taking advantage of patients but again, these doctors are the exception and not the rule. Most sane people with common sense and enough smarts to get their doctorate in school are not out to get you. They’re simply doing their job and giving you information. Your job is to take their information, do your own research and come up with your own well informed conclusion, and make a decision. Because circling back to the whole “freedom” thing. You have the option and freedom to not agree with your doctor and find a new one. You have the freedom to not take the medicine the doctor provides you. Moral of the story? You’re free! Because you’re mad about your situation doesn’t mean you have the right to blame others because of them profiting. There’s a word for those types of people. “Haters” stop being one. I can almost promise you you’re doctor isn’t sitting in their office wringing their hands saying “muahwahahahah!!! I want this person addicted for life so I can have a constant stream of cash flow!!!!” Because chances are, if they’re a doctor, they’re not exactly hung up on you lol if you leave they’re will always be another patient to take your place. Medical field is going absolutely nowhere anytime soon so get used to advocating on your own behalf. 15-20 min of your time to research a drug you’re putting in your body isn’t too much to ask is it? OWN YOUR sh*t! To everyone here! The struggle doesn’t change for our addiction despite the words I have typed but I would like to think that taking responsibility for our own actions is an integral part of recovery. No ones to blame but myself for my ongoing treatment. I have the freedom to come off subs any time I see fit, unfortunately at some point, every single one of us, has to pay the price for our drug use. Currently, there’s no antidote that can cure addiction and eliminate withdrawals entirely with no maintenance drugs needed. We all have to face the withdrawal and we will all experience it differently but we all have the choice. God bless!!!!!

TLDR; STOP BLAMING HARD WORKING PEOPLE FOR YOUR MISTAKES!!!!!