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Dina you,Jess, and I are sooo much alike its wierd. Jess needs to come back so we can all hit the club sometime. Jess I go missing alot and get it....We love you though and when you come back and read this I hope you just let us know you are okay!!!!!!!! that is it just that you are okay nothing else matters....

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Hey guys, just a quick update here. Last couple of days I have been feeling, well pretty 'normal'. Which is unbelievable! I didn't post anything because I was afraid I would jinx it or something, but then this morning, I didnt sleep an entire 8 hours but close enough, and I woke up without any muscle cramps, or upset stomach. Now, for those of you who do not know I have been an avid kratom user throughout the suboxone withdrawal. As for kratom being addictive, I have not used any for the last 2 days and haven't noticed anything from that. I have felt pretty good, besides some generalized fatigue, and didn't feel like I needed the kratom. If it is addictive, it is absolutely nothing in comparison to toxic chemicals like suboxone! Since I was using it constantly for a few weeks, and stopped without noticing anything, I d really encourage anyone else struggling with this. If kratom will get you through it, don't listen to hype, and do what you need to do. Kratom is a hell of a lot better for you then suboxone and it is not an opiate. The verdict is still out on whether or not it is addictive, but it got me through the worst/darkest times of suboxone withdrawal and I am eternally grateful. Anyway, sorry about the rant! I hope you are all doing well! I feel so much better lately. A little background on my story is, I stopped sub. at 2mg/day exactly 16 days ago. I am not completely free of symptoms but they are much less now then they have been. My ultimate point here is that it does get better, hang in there!

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0Hey!! Yeah you gave me great advice. I needed someone that first day on was here and it was you, so thank you. Today is day 16. Holy cow. Did I really say that? The beginning was torture but people thinking about geting off Subox, you can do it. I know ppl on here have done H and I have never done that or Methadone. I am speaking strickly pain pill popper/suboxone addict for 6 years. I have not missed a day (except the past 16 days). This was by far the hardest thing I ever had to do but I am doing it. I already have all these plans with friends I havent seen, planned a trip, and some other positive stuff. (not this weekend though) lol I am not ready. I wanna hit a gym this weekend and get on a treadmill and hit a sauna. I wanna get these toxins out of my system. I feel like all of the vitamins and drinking fluids is helping. I make sure I eat 3 healthy meals a day. You really need to do exercise even if its a little. When I heard ppl say that, I was like "are they crazy? I cant even more" That was like day 2-7, I could barely walk 5 steps to the bathroom without being totally out of breathe and totally letharic, but that starts to go away (for me at least) day 8-10. My first ride in the car driving I swear I felt like I was driving in a different city. Thats how much my brain needed to start adjusting "opiate free". I couldnt understand why everything looked different. It really was wierd. I hadnt left my house in 10 days.
P, Can you get prescribed like 600-800 iboprofen? I hope your knee feels better!! I am so glad you're doing well (other than your knee). Lots of love too!! WHERE IS JESSICA?? I've been waiting to hear how she's doing too!
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Hey LL we're both at 16 days and both stopped at 2mg a day. Oddly similar, Are you taking vitamins and eating & drinking well? It really does help. I feel ok today. I have ups and downs but NOT NEARLY how it was in the beginning. OMG never again. Im so glad you're doing well!
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i was on methadone for 5 years. Got thrown out at 117mg and ended up in a mental institution for 2 months because i felt like i was going to die. i relapsed and turned to heroin. im trying to get clean by finding the subs on the street. unfortunately i have an addictive personality. im just looking for some advice on how to kick my habit. any incite would be greatly appreciated.

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L L hello so happy to hear that. Yea that is the thing bout Kratom some will say it is addictive and I guess well it is. But for me my body didn't want it almost. I only used thru acute wd though. I mean since we are addicts anyways you would think we have a higher chance of getting addicted but yea it's complete nothing compared to say a sub. Thank you for posting and letting everyone know how you are!!! Please continue too. Lot's of good wishes!!!!! You doing it!!!!! You and Dina and Jess and myself we are all proof YOU CAN DO THIS!!!! Life is funny a lot funnier when you are clean. What you are doing is against all "odds" and it's real important people realize they have the power within themselves to get thru hell. It is a long road but with your eyes open you see a lot more. sh*t this is the hardest thing I ever did like 100 times. I was caught in this horrible cycle of staying clean for weeks then in an instant bam stupid just to do it all over again. I'm lucky you are lucky and anyone reading this is SO lucky. We are not in jail, we are not dead, and we chose to free ourselves from the thing closest to us that hurt us the most. I always say they should call it getting low not high cause it's gonna drag you lower than you would ever imagine. I hope you are enjoying your day. Dina hope you feeling good today. I have a few songs I think you might like.

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Dina doing it right!!!! Damn girl you are strong!!! I always go missing usually it isn't good, but sometimes it's just you don't want to talk. I hope when she sees how much we care she will come back.......It's hard. I know everything is sooo different. Save me by shinedown good song. If you like it let me know or tell me what type of music you do like and I will throw you some songs I like. I'm so proud of you and L L I could honestly cry. My leg umm yeah never felt such bad physical pain, but sh*t happens. I will see my Dr. monday and he will point me in right direction of what to do he is my pc and knows me and my past soo will just see what he says. Till then I'm being careful I love to dance and I can't have this be a permanent injury. So I am taking it very seriously, but sleep is hard!!! You really had enough!!!! I'm so impressed with the way you handled it all!!!!!!! I bug in wd hopefully never again. Peoples voices even sounded different to me when I first stopped. This what you are doing D and Jess and LL really helps people, I know had it not been for the forum I use most I would be dead. I really think that. Careful at the gym I'm mad small almost 33 and just running thru an airport okay i ran like it was a marathon and ran far, but that alone tore the meniscus behind my knee. How stupid. I am amazed by your strength you said f this and you did it. Please stay strong!!!! We all know we are one bad decision away from who knows how long of using. I have had "one more times" yeah those lead to years later like wtf happened. Then I thought I beat it for awhile!!! Never felt better in my life!!! Now I would say I fight it still, but the choice isn't even a choice it's a NO THANK YOU I want my life!! I remember being clean for months one 5 mg vice like you know how they say awakens the demon. I took it this is awhile ago and it instantly made me like almost dope sick my pupils got huge and that was all she wrote I was on another run. Fortunately alot of people are not constant relapsers. I am I know that and that is why I had to rip that script up. "The will to live will always outweigh the ability to die"..........That's what gets us thru I think. Idk as I said I'm just a screwed up chick hanging on to my sobriety with everything I have left in me. It is worth it just waking up not sick alone makes it worth it. Then comes all the good stuff that you are about to see for yourself. Dina hang on to that beautiful strength you possess!!! You are a fighter and win this battle girl and don't look back keep going and doing exactly what you are doing!!!! Please let every time I screwed up be a reason for you not to. I messed up enough for the both of us....You get the break I pray. It will all be worth it to me!!!! Lot's of Love Girl!!! You are kicking this addictions ass!!!! Jess we love you. We know what it is like!!!!!!
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Kratom perhaps.....legal easy to get. That can really help Subs umm WoW its better than shooting dope in my opinion, but it is the kind of thing I feel like is only for acute wd and for people who will not stop using without it. There is so much amazing advice in this thread. Look into Kratom see if you think it is an option for you. I found it to be a good one for me.
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I am on day 7 of suboxone free. I started out on 16mg once a day August of 2012 and weaned myself down pretty fast to 2mg a day. The doctor kept telling me that the last 2mg was the hardest to get off because it was mental, and doing so good and feeling good while I was on subox, I thought I have this...It has been a rough couple of days. I have to say that 4-5 days were the worst and thought that I was going to lose my mind...but day 6 the leg pains eased to a couple of times a day...last night was up with stomach and mentally it takes it toll on you...
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Hey Dina M. We are 'Odd' aren't we? I actually remember the time of day I last took the suboxone, around 7:30a.m.. So if that is also the same...wow! haha. I am eating better than before. I do not have a great appetite yet, but I can handle eating some normal meals everyday. Has anyone checked out you tube videos about suboxone withdrawal? Some of them are weird(it is you tube after all) but it can be encouraging sometimes, when feeling hopeless.
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if I could just have a timeline to know when I was going to feel better then it would not be so hard...I hate this.
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It's hard!! Hang in there!!!! You doing it...mentally it takes you some dark places. You got this!!! Good Luck!!!!!
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I started feeling a lot better after two weeks, but it is not totally gone. The worst of it is over at 2 weeks if that helps any.
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Thank You...I am on day 9 now, feeling alittle normal.
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Alright I just typed in sub withdraw because I am on my 5 day I think of going threw sub withdraws. I was on 8mg a day for about 2 years. My insurance got cut so I had no choice. I think I am going on my 5th or 6th day of withdraws because I have only slept 1 night. I have been awake threw 2 nights. So I'm ptobably on my 4th or 5th. I don't know I have to have my sleep. Other then not sleeping well I get mild cold chills/sweats. Yes my body aches like crazy. I have degenerative disk disease. So my lower back hurts the worse. For the most part if I can lay down and get into a movie or something its not horrible. Just the lack of sleep will get to you. I will get back on and post again once things calm down a bit for an update. Hope this helps.
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