I swear to God, runners are some of the most fat phobic people I have ever met.
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
I swear to God, runners are some of the most fat phobic people I have ever met.
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
Well said, all but the pizza part. Everyone knows it's pan pizza with ham and mushrooms.
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
Well said, all but the pizza part. Everyone knows it's pan pizza with ham and mushrooms.
I swear to God, runners are some of the most fat phobic people I have ever met.
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
Never too late to party, CB....pick your poison :cheryl:
Now, the rebuttal/concurrance:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed in generalities, but I didn't see many people here prizing appearance over health, in fact I saw quite the opposite. Were you making a societal statement there?
3. Agreed
4. Agreed--and again, I don't think anyone here is saying that, I got more of an as long as they are trying to help themselves that's good opinion
5. Yes and No--most of us know people who are in that situation and I think, at least from my POV, we are speaking from what we know, not generalizing.
6. See #5--and I'm thinking no one said horrible although I might concur with "unmotivated"
7. Agreed, when it stays on topic
8. Only if you start spewing liberal propaganda ;) ;) ;)
9. Sub mushrooms for the pepper and I'll buy that!
hey! are you trying to start a fight?
I know I'm late to the party, but I can't resist saying my piece. I think -
1. Lack of exercise and poor eating habits are a huge problem in this country.
2. That thinness is conveted in our society above all else, including healthy living.
3. That different people have different body shapes and what is a healthy weight for one person is not a healthy weight for another.
4. That is someone is at the gym working out, trying to get healthier we shoud support them regardless of their size, shape or what they are wearing.
5. That we make too many judgements about people based on what they look like when we really have no idea what they are dealing with.
6. That I find it disturbing that we give love and support to people who are dealing with anorexia, but look at anyone that has an eating disorder that makes them overweight and assume they are lazy, horrible people.
7. That a good debate and exchange of ideas is good for the soul and good for the mind and should be encouraged.
8. That I fear speaking my mind is going to make me unpopular around here.
9. That thin crust, sausage, mushroom and green pepper is the best kind of pizza.
Never too late to party, CB....pick your poison :cheryl:
Now, the rebuttal/concurrance:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed in generalities, but I didn't see many people here prizing appearance over health, in fact I saw quite the opposite. Were you making a societal statement there?
3. Agreed
4. Agreed--and again, I don't think anyone here is saying that, I got more of an as long as they are trying to help themselves that's good opinion
5. Yes and No--most of us know people who are in that situation and I think, at least from my POV, we are speaking from what we know, not generalizing.
6. See #5--and I'm thinking no one said horrible although I might concur with "unmotivated"
7. Agreed, when it stays on topic
8. Only if you start spewing liberal propaganda ;) ;) ;)
9. Sub mushrooms for the pepper and I'll buy that!
Point/counter point -
Never too late to party, CB....pick your poison :cheryl:
Now, the rebuttal/concurrance:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed in generalities, but I didn't see many people here prizing appearance over health, in fact I saw quite the opposite. Were you making a societal statement there?yes
3. Agreed
4. Agreed--and again, I don't think anyone here is saying that, I got more of an as long as they are trying to help themselves that's good opinion.This is in part what I was referring to
5. Yes and No--most of us know people who are in that situation and I think, at least from my POV, we are speaking from what we know, not generalizing. We make judgements all the time about people without knowing the facts. I would wager everyone here at one time or another has seen an overweight person and whether out loud or to themselves, formed some type of opinion as to why that person was the way the were. And I'd bet most times it wasnt positive. I've done it; I'll admit it.
6. See #5--and I'm thinking no one said horrible although I might concur with "unmotivated"There are quite a few examples of harsh assessments of overweight people in this thread and others Ive read. We recognize anorexia and bullemia as eating disorders that need our support; why not over-eating? No 19 year old gets to weigh 300 pounds without a disordered approach to food, yet we see her as being a lardo and not taking responsibility for herself, while we see the 90 pound anorexic sick and troubled and needing our help. That bothers me to no end.
7. Agreed, when it stays on topic.on topic is all relative.
8. Only if you start spewing liberal propaganda ;) ;) ;)Hey, someone has to speak for the truth here.
9. Sub mushrooms for the pepper and I'll buy that!we can go half and half
Never too late to party, CB....pick your poison :cheryl:
Now, the rebuttal/concurrance:
1. Agreed
2. Agreed in generalities, but I didn't see many people here prizing appearance over health, in fact I saw quite the opposite. Were you making a societal statement there?yes
3. Agreed
4. Agreed--and again, I don't think anyone here is saying that, I got more of an as long as they are trying to help themselves that's good opinion.This is in part what I was referring to
5. Yes and No--most of us know people who are in that situation and I think, at least from my POV, we are speaking from what we know, not generalizing. We make judgements all the time about people without knowing the facts. I would wager everyone here at one time or another has seen an overweight person and whether out loud or to themselves, formed some type of opinion as to why that person was the way the were. And I'd bet most times it wasnt positive. I've done it; I'll admit it.
6. See #5--and I'm thinking no one said horrible although I might concur with "unmotivated"There are quite a few examples of harsh assessments of overweight people in this thread and others Ive read. We recognize anorexia and bullemia as eating disorders that need our support; why not over-eating? No 19 year old gets to weigh 300 pounds without a disordered approach to food, yet we see her as being a lardo and not taking responsibility for herself, while we see the 90 pound anorexic sick and troubled and needing our help. That bothers me to no end.
7. Agreed, when it stays on topic.on topic is all relative.
8. Only if you start spewing liberal propaganda ;) ;) ;)Hey, someone has to speak for the truth here.
9. Sub mushrooms for the pepper and I'll buy that!we can go half and half
Point/counter point -
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You haven't answered the most important question.
over or under?
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You haven't answered the most important question.
over or under?
Over or under what? I may not have every single post in this thread.
Weighing in with my thoughts and opinions. Excellent points throughout this thread. My measly two cents:
1. It's easier to blame someone else for our misfortune/problems/etc. than it is to blame ourselves. (i.e., accept and take responsibity for our actions.)
2. People don't and won't change until they become miserable with their situation.
3. We live in a society that thrives on instant gratification. We don't think in the long term, we want results now. A healthier lifestyle is definitely a long-term thing.
4. Our society has gotten fatter over time in part because of our ingenuity at creating time-saving devices.
5. Everyone has it in them to live a healthy lifestyle. "Ya just gotta wanna!"
Point/counter point -
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I'd like to think this is untrue, CB but since you posted it without the , it must not be.
Even though I tend to stay away from the battles, I do encourage them (with in reason of course...calling someone a 'goat lover' just isn't very intellectual to me)...The 'Pizzafication' movement came along to stop things from getting too ugly but I've noticed that it's rearing it's 'sausagy' head a bit too umm say 'early' now and I'm hoping that we can let Riff Raff be Riff Raff by simply letting things self moderate itself out...
Thoughts? (and the first person to call me a pizza-bigot permanently limps home from work tonight )
Even though I tend to stay away from the battles, I do encourage them (with in reason of course...calling someone a 'goat lover' just isn't very intellectual to me)...The 'Pizzafication' movement came along to stop things from getting too ugly but I've noticed that it's rearing it's 'sausagy' head a bit too umm say 'early' now and I'm hoping that we can let Riff Raff be Riff Raff by simply letting things self moderate itself out...
Thoughts? (and the first person to call me a pizza-bigot permanently limps home from work tonight )
I agree shelfie, self modulation is key.
Over or under what? I may not have every single post in this thread.
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I want to give a different perspective on being overweight. I agree with what many people have said here--and I agree that America is becoming obese. It's not about societal norms--because I sure don't fit any--it's just about watching a beloved family member go to an early grave due to an unhealthy diet.
Here's something some may not have thought of:
CB is right--being overweight is as much an "eating disorder" as anorexia or any of the others. The weight is just as deadly as being underweight, although it is a slower death. Many times an individual has a traumatic event in their life at a young age (And I'm not making excuses for all overweight people) and they lose a will to live. If it was sexual abuse of some sort, they know that "being fat" is unattractive subconciously so they seek to make themselves unattractive so they will never be a victim again. It is also a type of comforting self-medication, so at first it serves a dual purpose. The worst part of this is that once the overeating begins--it is difficult to stop. And the individual begins to hate how they look and hate themselves and feel like a failure, so they eat more--at this point they've lost hope, maybe even a will to live. So it becomes a horribly vicious cycle.
Although some overweight people are there due to laziness, some are there because of their pasts. Some people have never been taught how to even eat properly. (this happens across the socio-economic strata) Next time you run into someone who is horribly overweight, stop and think about this person's past and things that may have caused them to hate themselves and hate life and use food as a weapon to slowly kill themselves.
You're absolutely right, Aire, I have seen that in my past work with abuse victims. They do tend to hide behind their weight as a protective measure and some truly don't care if it ends up killing them, and whatever happened to them is certainly not their fault. But that's where the treatment issue comes in, there are plenty of things out there to help them through the trauma issues and the other non-diet related reasons why they are holding onto that weight, and that's what has to be addressed first, because no diet, gastric bypass, pill, or milkshake on the planet is going to heal those wounds. But I don't think they are the people being judged, as CB says, here.....I think everyone's generalizing the comments that were made about people who claim they want to change but aren't willing to put the work in to do so, the ones that expect to pop "Exercise in a Bottle" and "Fat Trapper" once a day and lose 20 lbs a week without changing any of their habits, and then wonder why they can't, and worse, get all catty and rude with you, who is trying to make a difference and is sacrificing and doing the healthy stuff, like you're the bad one for getting thinner.
I never felt anyone was being judged, really, I just wanted to give a perspective on why some people allow themselves to gain weight--not an excuse, because we all have the ability to change our lives. (Many people fail to realize they have a problem) Truthfully--this is the first place I haven't felt judged. I don't run fast. I certainly don't have a runner's body. I'm only a brand-new athlete, but I have only received acceptance and friendship here. That's why this is my favorite place, because those of you who have become my friends don't judge me by my performance or how I look, but because I'm me.
I felt Keltic was just concerned. I notice obesity everywhere, too--and it just saddens. I also don't feel we're talking about people who have hit a "middle-age" spread or don't fit Hollywood's opinion of "fit". I think we are talking about those people who are dangerously overweight.
And I don't think that just talking about it is passing judgment, I think it is merely discussing a health issue.
I felt Keltic was just concerned. I notice obesity everywhere, too--and it just saddens. I also don't feel we're talking about people who have hit a "middle-age" spread or don't fit Hollywood's opinion of "fit". I think we are talking about those people who are dangerously overweight.
And I don't think that just talking about it is passing judgment, I think it is merely discussing a health issue.
But when you see an overweight person, how do you know who fits into that category and who doesn't? I think the tendency BY SOCIETY IN GENERAL is to assume they fall into the fat due to their own laziness category unless proven otherwise.