I waited only 12 hours after my last dose of sub... I took 2 vicodin and feel much better... I don't feel "high", just normal. I feel a lot better than I felt on the subs, that's for sure! I should also mention that I have only been on subs for almost 6 weeks, and taking only a total of 3 mg per day.
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience... but, the suboxone makes me feel nervous, anxiety ridden, depressed, and dizzy. I hate it! I know it's the subs because if I go 24 hours before dosing I begin to feel flu sick, yet the nervousness and depression is gone.
SO! I am going to take the vicodins for 10 days... then wean off. I will be giving updates as I go!
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience... but, the suboxone makes me feel nervous, anxiety ridden, depressed, and dizzy. I hate it! I know it's the subs because if I go 24 hours before dosing I begin to feel flu sick, yet the nervousness and depression is gone.
SO! I am going to take the vicodins for 10 days... then wean off. I will be giving updates as I go!
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Here is my story kicking the subs. Was taking 4mg a day subs.
I took four 80mg oxys in two days to hopefully kick all of the subs out of my system to start my detox. As most of you know, the sub withdrawal is more mild than oxy or vicodins, but it lasts for way longer. In my honest opinion, I would rather go off oxy on a three day weekend and go back to work. You cannot dodge responsibility for two weeks for sub withdrawal.
Anyways, I woke up day one after the oxy and it hit me just like it always did on that stuff, sick first thing in the morning. I actually thought that was great because I woudlnt have to worry about the subs for weeks.
Skip to day 4. I felt a little better and was able to go outside actually. But I was still not as good as I would of been if it was oxy only. So to answer a lot of peoples questions, taking vicodin or oxy will not kick the subs out of your system. You would have to stay on the oxy or vic's for a good two weeks (my estimated guess) before you could avoid sub withdrawal.
Skip to day 7. This is where I'm at now. The physical systems are pretty much gone. I only have:
a little bit of sweating.
lathargic.
I wake up at 3am every night, then take about an hour to go back to bed. But I will never sleep past 7am. But this is much better sleep than I had previously so I'm not going to complain. I would guess day 10 I should be back to normal.
The best fixes to beat the first four days of the nightmare for me where:
1) Benadryl - It fixes the following:
watery eyes, yawning, sneezing, runny nose
2) Immodium AD: It fixes the following:
No diareia or liquid poop
3) Asprin:
It takes a little edge off the pain. You probably wont feel it and its more like placebo. But hey, it's better than nothing.
4) Hot baths or showers:
It stops the crawling of the skin and some of the aches and pains. It comes back after you get out. So I took a few of these a day everyday. Helps get your mental back in the game.
So would I ever take vicodin or oxy to kick subs in the future? NO.
If your on oxy or vics only, kick it and your done in 4 days.
If your on subs, taper down like everyone else (at least a month or more of tapering and kick it).
Hope this helps some one else out there. Be strong, even though it seems impossible. After a few days you will look back and say, hmm that didnt seem that long. Even though going through it seemed multiple life times. If I can do it, you can do it.
I took four 80mg oxys in two days to hopefully kick all of the subs out of my system to start my detox. As most of you know, the sub withdrawal is more mild than oxy or vicodins, but it lasts for way longer. In my honest opinion, I would rather go off oxy on a three day weekend and go back to work. You cannot dodge responsibility for two weeks for sub withdrawal.
Anyways, I woke up day one after the oxy and it hit me just like it always did on that stuff, sick first thing in the morning. I actually thought that was great because I woudlnt have to worry about the subs for weeks.
Skip to day 4. I felt a little better and was able to go outside actually. But I was still not as good as I would of been if it was oxy only. So to answer a lot of peoples questions, taking vicodin or oxy will not kick the subs out of your system. You would have to stay on the oxy or vic's for a good two weeks (my estimated guess) before you could avoid sub withdrawal.
Skip to day 7. This is where I'm at now. The physical systems are pretty much gone. I only have:
a little bit of sweating.
lathargic.
I wake up at 3am every night, then take about an hour to go back to bed. But I will never sleep past 7am. But this is much better sleep than I had previously so I'm not going to complain. I would guess day 10 I should be back to normal.
The best fixes to beat the first four days of the nightmare for me where:
1) Benadryl - It fixes the following:
watery eyes, yawning, sneezing, runny nose
2) Immodium AD: It fixes the following:
No diareia or liquid poop
3) Asprin:
It takes a little edge off the pain. You probably wont feel it and its more like placebo. But hey, it's better than nothing.
4) Hot baths or showers:
It stops the crawling of the skin and some of the aches and pains. It comes back after you get out. So I took a few of these a day everyday. Helps get your mental back in the game.
So would I ever take vicodin or oxy to kick subs in the future? NO.
If your on oxy or vics only, kick it and your done in 4 days.
If your on subs, taper down like everyone else (at least a month or more of tapering and kick it).
Hope this helps some one else out there. Be strong, even though it seems impossible. After a few days you will look back and say, hmm that didnt seem that long. Even though going through it seemed multiple life times. If I can do it, you can do it.
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Hey there! Well, I have continued with the vicodin... to ease the withdrawal of suboxone. So far, it's been easy. I plan on discontinuing everything on Monday.
However, I have gone 14 plus hours in between vicodin dosing (it's been almost 6 days without subs) & because the vic is "short acting" it should have been somewhat out of my system at that point so that I could get a little glimpse of how I was REALLY feeling... It wasn't bad at all. In fact, seemingly too good to be true.... I didn't feel GOOD... but I didn't feel nearly as sick as I thought I would, which is why I'm stopping everything on Monday. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about it!
I will definitely make another post on Monday/Tuesday to let you know how it worked out!!
However, I have gone 14 plus hours in between vicodin dosing (it's been almost 6 days without subs) & because the vic is "short acting" it should have been somewhat out of my system at that point so that I could get a little glimpse of how I was REALLY feeling... It wasn't bad at all. In fact, seemingly too good to be true.... I didn't feel GOOD... but I didn't feel nearly as sick as I thought I would, which is why I'm stopping everything on Monday. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about it!
I will definitely make another post on Monday/Tuesday to let you know how it worked out!!
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I was waiting for the outcome...must have been good...seems we only post when were looking for help :-)
I was a "banger" for years...got off the stuff with Methadone & jail..I quit many times..I always had a 2 week withdrawal. I eventually went to a two yeer live in Rehab. Anyway, I came across Vic's in Nov. never thinking I would get hooked again started taking them all the time because there was nothing better to do (my hubby starting smoking pot again & because the smell makes me sick, he would go to a friends & hang out there for hours).
I went on Sub's for 2 weeks...I was fine when I quit that, until a week later I started feeling sick. Flu sick...not even close to as bad as other withdrawals but just knowing that it was caused by something not natural made it worse. I could deal with it if I was up & moving but if I sat (which my body wanted me to do), I was just achy...I only took subs for two weeks.
Wed the 17th, I took 2 750's & last night took 2 more. I don't want this to be a roller coaster but I have 5 left. I'm wondering if I will get "sicker" if I take the 750's for 2 more days. Yesterday I didn't really feel sick from the Sub's but am wondering if it's because I took the Vicodin.
I don't want this to be a cycle but I am a hairstylist & work all weekend...I can't be sick! Any imput?
I was a "banger" for years...got off the stuff with Methadone & jail..I quit many times..I always had a 2 week withdrawal. I eventually went to a two yeer live in Rehab. Anyway, I came across Vic's in Nov. never thinking I would get hooked again started taking them all the time because there was nothing better to do (my hubby starting smoking pot again & because the smell makes me sick, he would go to a friends & hang out there for hours).
I went on Sub's for 2 weeks...I was fine when I quit that, until a week later I started feeling sick. Flu sick...not even close to as bad as other withdrawals but just knowing that it was caused by something not natural made it worse. I could deal with it if I was up & moving but if I sat (which my body wanted me to do), I was just achy...I only took subs for two weeks.
Wed the 17th, I took 2 750's & last night took 2 more. I don't want this to be a roller coaster but I have 5 left. I'm wondering if I will get "sicker" if I take the 750's for 2 more days. Yesterday I didn't really feel sick from the Sub's but am wondering if it's because I took the Vicodin.
I don't want this to be a cycle but I am a hairstylist & work all weekend...I can't be sick! Any imput?
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Guest wrote:
i know it has been almost a month since you posted. I have some questions. I have been on Subs for almost 2 years. i want to get off. I have tried to taper. I have tried to quit cold turkey. I get really tired, and lots of anxiety. I can't focus. So I get back on them. I have been wondering the same thing. What if I take a few Loritabs to help cope through it.
I would like to know how long were you on the subs? i would also like to know how many Vics or whatever it was you took each day while getting off the Subs. Also how were you feeling? Were you able to work and cope with kids?
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How is that workin out so far
Hey there! Well, I have continued with the vicodin... to ease the withdrawal of suboxone. So far, it's been easy. I plan on discontinuing everything on Monday.
However, I have gone 14 plus hours in between vicodin dosing (it's been almost 6 days without subs) & because the vic is "short acting" it should have been somewhat out of my system at that point so that I could get a little glimpse of how I was REALLY feeling... It wasn't bad at all. In fact, seemingly too good to be true.... I didn't feel GOOD... but I didn't feel nearly as sick as I thought I would, which is why I'm stopping everything on Monday. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about it!
I will definitely make another post on Monday/Tuesday to let you know how it worked out!!
i know it has been almost a month since you posted. I have some questions. I have been on Subs for almost 2 years. i want to get off. I have tried to taper. I have tried to quit cold turkey. I get really tired, and lots of anxiety. I can't focus. So I get back on them. I have been wondering the same thing. What if I take a few Loritabs to help cope through it.
I would like to know how long were you on the subs? i would also like to know how many Vics or whatever it was you took each day while getting off the Subs. Also how were you feeling? Were you able to work and cope with kids?
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I am detoxing suboxone Atm. I went from 2 mg a day to nothing.I took vey low dose of xanax 1 maybe 2 times a day. I do not recomend this (especially if xanax has been a prob for you in the past). Another guy posted Benadryl,immodium and asprin this is good too.Dont take all this stuff at once and make sure you got some food in ur gut. I havent found suboxone withdrawl that bad,cold chillz,lack of intrest in things,rumbly guts but i never felt like i was gonna die like when kicking methadone. Point being me myself never wants to take another opiate in my life I think vicodin would have only opened the revolving door for me.Go to some meetings. realize there are ppl like you all around that fix themselves all the time,and there willing to help you(they understatnd better than your family and can help you) .I will be in a meeting the first day i can walk in and officially say im ________ and i have one day clean. Then i can really start getting better. Thx for sharing :-D
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Guest wrote:
Thank you, I've tried this today and will do a few more tomorrow, it is working. I was only on the sub for one month, but was dealing with problems with my medication for 4 months and then this. I was at my end I think, I don't think I could have stood many more days of this. Doctors don't tell you anything, not what to expect, so you just think well I'll do this and my problems will be over, NO THEY'VE JUST STARTED!!!
Thank you again, you are the only one who I've found that has given me hope.
God Bless You,
Jan :D
Guest wrote:
obviously you people have never been in withdrawal from vicodin. It is like hell on earth
mmmmm no my friend.,.,.obviously u never had sub withdrawls.. vicodin stays in your system for 72 hours or so,.,.suboxone is designed to last 24 hours..and stores in your fat, bones, and body and the withdrawls can last up to 6 weeks...sub. is 30x more powerfull than morphine.
im gettin off sub and im on my second day cold turky..on the 3rd day..im going to take a handfull of percs for 2 days to knock out the suboxone. i had kidney stones last year and thats what the hospital did..give me large doses of oiapetes to knock out the suboxone and it worked..i felt the delatta within 2 hours. both oiaptes fight your receptors on your brian for domanace..sorry my spelling sucks..im typing fast and dont feel so hot. but ill fill you all in how it went.. :D
im on 12mg now,.,.and been on it for 2 years..i took 4mg for 3 days and now nothing...the worst is the 5,6,7,8,9 days from what i heard...you think vico wd s are bad? i been there and done that..at least it only lasts 72 hours.,,try 10 days of it
Thank you, I've tried this today and will do a few more tomorrow, it is working. I was only on the sub for one month, but was dealing with problems with my medication for 4 months and then this. I was at my end I think, I don't think I could have stood many more days of this. Doctors don't tell you anything, not what to expect, so you just think well I'll do this and my problems will be over, NO THEY'VE JUST STARTED!!!
Thank you again, you are the only one who I've found that has given me hope.
God Bless You,
Jan :D
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>;) I'm more than EXTREMELY PISSED at the effin doctors that make money off the pharm companies getting people addicted! I hold doctors responsible for my loved one that struggles with suboxin! Its beginning to look like she will be hooked on it FOREVER. A DOCTOR put her on it to get her offa vicodan, just swapped one problem for another and from what I'm reading, a bigger problem.
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My husband broke my back in 1997, no disk between the 11th & 12 vertabrae, the doctors put me on vicodine for 9 yrs, seen another doc to see if I could find some other way to ease the pain and not have to take vicodine, the new doctor gave me lyrica,I was amazed it worked. My new doctor now had to refer me to a pys doctor to give me something to stop the vico. withdrawls, that doctor gave me suboxone, he told me I would have to take this for about 1 yr, and I would have to see him every 3 months for him to write me a new subsciption. When the year was up I went to see him, he left the clinic and went to some other state to work. The next new doctor I saw, I asked him now that a year was up I wanted to stop the suboxone now, doc told me I would have to be on it for at least 2 years then he would start weening me off, well I started the weening down process 11 months ago, I can't stop the withdrawls, doc now says I will probly not be able to stop the withdrawls. I'M MAD! I went there to stop the problem with the vicodine withdrawls and the docs just caused me a bigger problem. NOW WHAT DO I DO?'
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Sure has made me realize that too many people trust doctors & the pharmaceutical industry far more than they should. I don't trust chemicals or the people that get rich off of them. Never have, never will.
I'm so sorry for your dilemma, someone told me that emetrol and pot helped someone she knows endure the withdrawals...
I'm so sorry for your dilemma, someone told me that emetrol and pot helped someone she knows endure the withdrawals...
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Not sure if anyone will respond and I'm new to posting on ANY website but facebook, hehe, so here goes:
I've been taking Suboxone approx. 5 times per week, with some definite withdrawal symptoms in between for about 6 months. Ive had more than my fair share of mostly perks, OC's a little heroin but assumed that i didnt take them long enough over a daily basis to become physically addicted. (What an id**t i am, I may have been experiencing with drawals for years and just didnt recognize them) I blamed my aches and pains on ill health, allergies to food, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome...just about anything BESIDES wds.
I take no more than 2 mg a day of suboxone, mostly just take a mg....I'm on 48 hrs without anything. I think i started using the suboxone because i could get four days worth for 10 bucks where i'm from. I feel so stupid now but at least I'm not in denial anymore. I just want to feel normal. I suffer from depression that is probably worsened by my drug use and inconsistent moods/energy which ive never admitted to. So i get psychotherapy that will never help because I'm mostly not honest. I'm a single mom because my son's dad has been an addict since we were 16 and he is still using at 31. I guess I'm stuck in the closet with my addiction and don't know where to get help so that i don't end up with piss tests just to keep my son in my custody. By the way, he is safe and I really just take the suboxone to feel normal. My pupils don't even get constricted. Ive come to find out that if i am truly "feeling nice" my pupils get tiny.
When i used opiates besides the suboxone I was a dabbler. I only did it when i can afford it. Suboxone is way cheaper on the street. So many people I know grab scripts for like 4 a day and sell all but 30 of 120 pills a month or some i know have others piss for them and bring it into the clinic and they dont even take it themselves! Good for them they are sober and get to pay there rent off their 3 dollar scripts but DAMN, off of other's misery? Maybe they dont see it that way.
Ive called an addiction hotline and they basically told me that i needed a detox because i was better off staying on the other opiates. Ive come to the conclusion that im definitely not going to a detox. For what? Clonidine?? no thanks...
I'm ready to be free of this dependency but don't want to go nutts trying to come off. I can't afford two weeks of misery...or much longer as I've been reading! I
I found myself here in these forums because I am definitely thinking about taking vicodin or percocet instead and just refusing to ever take suboxone again. I cant taper down from 1 mg....how do u break 8 mg pills smaller than that and be sure that some days u arent actually going backwards and taking more!? The whole scale thing and weighing out crumbs???! This sh*t is truly evil.
The addiction specialist on the hotline told me that suboxone is great for those that take it for no longer than one week at a very small dose (2 mg or less...ooops too late). Strange thing is how I ignored the fact that I was becoming addicted and now i feel caught up? "Can't deal with it today, I'll stop tomorrow" has been my motto for too long. I'm done. I don't care if I have to take 10 mg a day of a short acting opiate for a week I'm going to. Suboxone is far worse and I know I can use another opiate sparingly. I value true health and can slightly remember what it feels like and I want it back.
Thank you for listening and reading other stories in the privacy of my own home is the only way for me to go. It has helped me gather my thoughts and come to a conclusion about what i need to do. Thank you everyone and good luck on staying healthy and drug-free!
I've been taking Suboxone approx. 5 times per week, with some definite withdrawal symptoms in between for about 6 months. Ive had more than my fair share of mostly perks, OC's a little heroin but assumed that i didnt take them long enough over a daily basis to become physically addicted. (What an id**t i am, I may have been experiencing with drawals for years and just didnt recognize them) I blamed my aches and pains on ill health, allergies to food, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome...just about anything BESIDES wds.
I take no more than 2 mg a day of suboxone, mostly just take a mg....I'm on 48 hrs without anything. I think i started using the suboxone because i could get four days worth for 10 bucks where i'm from. I feel so stupid now but at least I'm not in denial anymore. I just want to feel normal. I suffer from depression that is probably worsened by my drug use and inconsistent moods/energy which ive never admitted to. So i get psychotherapy that will never help because I'm mostly not honest. I'm a single mom because my son's dad has been an addict since we were 16 and he is still using at 31. I guess I'm stuck in the closet with my addiction and don't know where to get help so that i don't end up with piss tests just to keep my son in my custody. By the way, he is safe and I really just take the suboxone to feel normal. My pupils don't even get constricted. Ive come to find out that if i am truly "feeling nice" my pupils get tiny.
When i used opiates besides the suboxone I was a dabbler. I only did it when i can afford it. Suboxone is way cheaper on the street. So many people I know grab scripts for like 4 a day and sell all but 30 of 120 pills a month or some i know have others piss for them and bring it into the clinic and they dont even take it themselves! Good for them they are sober and get to pay there rent off their 3 dollar scripts but DAMN, off of other's misery? Maybe they dont see it that way.
Ive called an addiction hotline and they basically told me that i needed a detox because i was better off staying on the other opiates. Ive come to the conclusion that im definitely not going to a detox. For what? Clonidine?? no thanks...
I'm ready to be free of this dependency but don't want to go nutts trying to come off. I can't afford two weeks of misery...or much longer as I've been reading! I
I found myself here in these forums because I am definitely thinking about taking vicodin or percocet instead and just refusing to ever take suboxone again. I cant taper down from 1 mg....how do u break 8 mg pills smaller than that and be sure that some days u arent actually going backwards and taking more!? The whole scale thing and weighing out crumbs???! This sh*t is truly evil.
The addiction specialist on the hotline told me that suboxone is great for those that take it for no longer than one week at a very small dose (2 mg or less...ooops too late). Strange thing is how I ignored the fact that I was becoming addicted and now i feel caught up? "Can't deal with it today, I'll stop tomorrow" has been my motto for too long. I'm done. I don't care if I have to take 10 mg a day of a short acting opiate for a week I'm going to. Suboxone is far worse and I know I can use another opiate sparingly. I value true health and can slightly remember what it feels like and I want it back.
Thank you for listening and reading other stories in the privacy of my own home is the only way for me to go. It has helped me gather my thoughts and come to a conclusion about what i need to do. Thank you everyone and good luck on staying healthy and drug-free!
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suboxone is evil and i can't believe that my id**t couselor and doctor at the treatment center put me on it!( I was there for oxy and morphines dependence). This withdrawal is WAY WORSE than opiate withdrawal! I honestly don't know how I will be able to make it through with my sanity. I have restless legs, extreme anxiety, insomina, crawly skin, I am nauseous and dizzy- not to mention the diareha and chills/sweating. I also have an 18 month old I need to take care of as I am a stay at home mom. I wish I NEVER started this medication. i was told by my doctor it would be the only way i would stay sober- what a joke. It just made me an addict to another drug with worse withdrawals. I AM ONLY ON DAY 2- I don't think I will make it! I have been given benzos to help with the wd symptoms but they barely touch it. PRAYING FOR GOD'S MERCY AND GRACE TO MAKE IT ANOTHER DAY!
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Its a sad picture of our medical profession if you ask me. I'm sure there is a doctor out there somewhere that actually cares more about his / her patients than they do the almighty dollar, but they seem to be fewer and further between than ever. Prescriptions are a money-making business and I blame careless, greedy doctors for over prescribing. I so hope and pray that you are able to locate a good, decent doctor that values his/her hypocratic oath enough to help you get off the money-making meds. In the meantime, hang in there, you will make it. Try to find another doctor and be honest with him/her. Surely there's one out there somewhere. God bless you with your struggle, my heart goes out to you and the millions that doctors are making money off of. I so wish they could be held accountable. Fat chance. Money rules everything. Love yourself, love that sweet baby, find a good doctor, pray and good luck to you and all the others that doctors have done this to.
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well i was clean fro about 11 mouth,, and them my wisdom to broke,,,,i feel like a jack ass,, i was on herion for about 2 years,, and i started off with oxys,, then went to herion,,was clewan like i said for aout 11 mouth and now feel like a ass when i broke my tooth,, being off opits was great but when u hert your self it suck becase nothing works,, so i sliped up started using viks,, to ease pain did help so i went back to herion it really elped started useing 2 a week to just stop payne ,, it workd and now im useing every day a gain,, it sucks,, been doing this now for about a mouth,, is thery any body that can help me and tell me what i can do to help with withdraws ,, i no im going down the wrong path a gain and wont to get back right, please dont tell me to go to rehab,, im broke i do work and im the only one that does in my house,, so can any body give me a real idea,,thanks
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