In addendum to my above post: After further reading, I'm seeing people going a full MONTH with full on withdrawal, including very little sleep, but these people jumped off at higher doses and were using far longer than I was. Since it's only been 7 or so weeks, and I'm at 1mg, does anyone have any educated gueses as to the length I'd be looking at?
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Dinosaur my guess is that you will have a lower recovery time although everyone's body is different. You might be suffering from symptoms for a full month too. I would say that it's a good idea to take a sleeping pill to help with the sleeping issues if you can. Does that help?
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Ok so here goes. I've been on Suboxone roughly 4 years. I quit once cold turkey off an 8mg dose after about 2 years on the stuff because I had to go to jail. I was in jail for 15 days and I was still hurting when I came out. Of course the withdrawl symptoms were much worse and amplified when I was confined to a cage with a bunch of screaming animals around me 24/7. It was hell. The minute I got out of jail my old man had a bottle of Subs waiting for me and I took one instantly. It wasn't because I was hurting all that bad, but it was because I couldn't sleep. I hadn't slept one wink in jail save a 10 minute cat nap on like day 9 or something like that. I got some sleep that first day out of jail, and resumed my daily dose of 8mg for about 2 more years.
Now, just recently, I got an order of 190 2mg Alprazolam (Xanax) bars from Mexico. Luckily I sold off some of them and really only ended up taking about 60. On top of that; a lot of them weren't the wafers, and were some Mexican circle nonsense without a single imprint on the back which I've never seen before that contained a very poor quality benzo because IIRC I never felt them too much. Fearing Benzo withdrawl; I weened down to about .5mg of Alprazolam (1/4 of a bar) and stabilized at that for about a week. Then I think I either made the biggest mistake, or best mistake of my opiate career. To help me through the lack of Benzo's (let me tell you, one sleeps very well on 10mg of Alprazolam lol) I stopped my Suboxone for 24hrs and bought some Roxane brand Methadone 10mg tablets.
I have been taking 45mg of methadone for about a week maybe 9-10 days at the most, so have been off Suboxone for that time, but of course have been on Methadone which is full agonist. So here is the kicker. My plan was to come off the Methadone and get back on the Suboxone tonight. I've finished weening off the Benzos (thankfully only 4hrs of noticeable withdrawl in the form of a resting heart rate of about 190, and some severe panic) and my last dose of methadone was about 28hrs ago.
So yeah, I'm hurting. Not all that bad though! I know from previous experience trying to use methadone to come off heroin that you won't fully hurt for about 48hrs, so I'm anticipating it getting worse, but what I'm saying is that I'd have expected to be feeling worse by now. On the COWS worksheet I'm still only in Moderate withdrawl. Just some teary eyes, a little depression, hot/cold flashes and periods of insane sweating, but the usual anxiety I felt when in withdrawl just isn't there!
What I'm asking and putting out there; is do you folks think that in this past 7-9 days I've been off Suboxone and on Methadone; I've inadvertently gotten myself past the terribly lengthy half-life of the Suboxone and now just feeling minor withdrawl from coming off ~9 days of 45 miligrams of Methadone? My plan was to hold out until I couldn't take it any longer and then start back on my usual twice daily dose of 4mg of Suboxone.
So as of now it's 28hrs without a thing. With heroin I know you start to hurt sometimes within as little as 8-12hours. With Suboxone it took me 3-4 days to start full withdrawl (only very bad because I was in the worst jail ever), and from what I remember it was about 36 hours with methadone until I was feverishly looking for an opiate to take the incredibly intense withdrawls away. What I'm saying is that I'm surprised I'm only experiencing mild-moderate (score of 9 on COWS) withdrawls, and feel like if they're not going to get much worse then I should just say screw it, find a few more Xanax (since I've been off now) to get me to sleep, maybe some clonodine and ambien too and just hold out until I either stop hurting or have to give in and take a 1/2 Suboxone.
Luckily for me; my old man is a doctor. However; he is legit and won't write me out scripts unless absolutely necessary. Don't get me wrong; I feel bad, but it's manageable. I feel like if I could get a good night's sleep with the withdrawls this bad or even a bit worse; I could put up with them for as long as it would take, even a week or so. Again, ONLY IF I'M SLEEPING AT NIGHT. That's always been what has gotten me to stop kicking; the no sleep for a week just kills me and messes with my head and at that point I just want the quickest direction towards some sleep and always give in to the opiate.
So chime in folks, not you mis-informed jacktards either. I need advice from well educated folks who aren't just going to spew negative BS because they hurt like hell from withdrawls and want everyone else to as well. Would it be a good idea for me to finish out the night; sleep or not, with zero Suboxone, and then hook-up with my dad tomorrow and start a genuine effort at kicking opiates? I know he'll give me whatever I want (via my primary care physician of course, but just with my dad's recommendation; he owns the place after all haha) for the kick. Like I said; if I'm able to sleep for at least 8hrs a night; I'm willing to put up with whatever during the 16hrs I'm awake.
Right now it's 1:30am; I'm now a 14 on the COWS, and probably won't sleep tonight (although I do have a 10mg Valium and 2mg Lunesta tucked away jsut in case haha). I'm feeling like I want this to be over. I've had this Gorilla on my back for far too long. The Subs have no effect on me anymore except hurting when I don't have them, so they're just a band-aid until I nut up and get this retardation over with. My dad is still afraid I'll go back to heroin if I don't have Suboxone in my system (I won't; it was in front of me the other day when on dones and I could have easily fired some and had zero desire to even see it) and that's the only reason I've been on them so long. The whole kicking in jail experience messed me up a lot and has given me permanent anxiety about withdrawls, but I feel like this time I could kick it. I have nothing going on for at least 3 weeks and a pharmacy at my disposal as long as it's not an opiate. What would you guys suggest? Sorry about the novel; I'm just a little worked up. Kind of reeling from the withdrawls I haven't felt in at least 2 years, but also hopeful I may have overcome the lengthy Suboxone half life and may only be looking at a 10-14 day kick that could possibly be done with sleep. Chime in if you want to, and let it be known my heart is with all of you poor souls who have ever experienced withdrawls. Just be happy you're not in early 20th century (or even late 19th?) when heroin was sold in bottles as a cure-all. Imagine all the poor housewives and their kids who had to go through fatty withdrawls (you know the quality was good coming straight from Bayer lol)! Or the pre-methadone detox of sticking you in a padded room until you slept a full night by yourself (kind of like my jail stint lol). Anyway, advice, comments, questions, hit me up.
Thanks all.
Now, just recently, I got an order of 190 2mg Alprazolam (Xanax) bars from Mexico. Luckily I sold off some of them and really only ended up taking about 60. On top of that; a lot of them weren't the wafers, and were some Mexican circle nonsense without a single imprint on the back which I've never seen before that contained a very poor quality benzo because IIRC I never felt them too much. Fearing Benzo withdrawl; I weened down to about .5mg of Alprazolam (1/4 of a bar) and stabilized at that for about a week. Then I think I either made the biggest mistake, or best mistake of my opiate career. To help me through the lack of Benzo's (let me tell you, one sleeps very well on 10mg of Alprazolam lol) I stopped my Suboxone for 24hrs and bought some Roxane brand Methadone 10mg tablets.
I have been taking 45mg of methadone for about a week maybe 9-10 days at the most, so have been off Suboxone for that time, but of course have been on Methadone which is full agonist. So here is the kicker. My plan was to come off the Methadone and get back on the Suboxone tonight. I've finished weening off the Benzos (thankfully only 4hrs of noticeable withdrawl in the form of a resting heart rate of about 190, and some severe panic) and my last dose of methadone was about 28hrs ago.
So yeah, I'm hurting. Not all that bad though! I know from previous experience trying to use methadone to come off heroin that you won't fully hurt for about 48hrs, so I'm anticipating it getting worse, but what I'm saying is that I'd have expected to be feeling worse by now. On the COWS worksheet I'm still only in Moderate withdrawl. Just some teary eyes, a little depression, hot/cold flashes and periods of insane sweating, but the usual anxiety I felt when in withdrawl just isn't there!
What I'm asking and putting out there; is do you folks think that in this past 7-9 days I've been off Suboxone and on Methadone; I've inadvertently gotten myself past the terribly lengthy half-life of the Suboxone and now just feeling minor withdrawl from coming off ~9 days of 45 miligrams of Methadone? My plan was to hold out until I couldn't take it any longer and then start back on my usual twice daily dose of 4mg of Suboxone.
So as of now it's 28hrs without a thing. With heroin I know you start to hurt sometimes within as little as 8-12hours. With Suboxone it took me 3-4 days to start full withdrawl (only very bad because I was in the worst jail ever), and from what I remember it was about 36 hours with methadone until I was feverishly looking for an opiate to take the incredibly intense withdrawls away. What I'm saying is that I'm surprised I'm only experiencing mild-moderate (score of 9 on COWS) withdrawls, and feel like if they're not going to get much worse then I should just say screw it, find a few more Xanax (since I've been off now) to get me to sleep, maybe some clonodine and ambien too and just hold out until I either stop hurting or have to give in and take a 1/2 Suboxone.
Luckily for me; my old man is a doctor. However; he is legit and won't write me out scripts unless absolutely necessary. Don't get me wrong; I feel bad, but it's manageable. I feel like if I could get a good night's sleep with the withdrawls this bad or even a bit worse; I could put up with them for as long as it would take, even a week or so. Again, ONLY IF I'M SLEEPING AT NIGHT. That's always been what has gotten me to stop kicking; the no sleep for a week just kills me and messes with my head and at that point I just want the quickest direction towards some sleep and always give in to the opiate.
So chime in folks, not you mis-informed jacktards either. I need advice from well educated folks who aren't just going to spew negative BS because they hurt like hell from withdrawls and want everyone else to as well. Would it be a good idea for me to finish out the night; sleep or not, with zero Suboxone, and then hook-up with my dad tomorrow and start a genuine effort at kicking opiates? I know he'll give me whatever I want (via my primary care physician of course, but just with my dad's recommendation; he owns the place after all haha) for the kick. Like I said; if I'm able to sleep for at least 8hrs a night; I'm willing to put up with whatever during the 16hrs I'm awake.
Right now it's 1:30am; I'm now a 14 on the COWS, and probably won't sleep tonight (although I do have a 10mg Valium and 2mg Lunesta tucked away jsut in case haha). I'm feeling like I want this to be over. I've had this Gorilla on my back for far too long. The Subs have no effect on me anymore except hurting when I don't have them, so they're just a band-aid until I nut up and get this retardation over with. My dad is still afraid I'll go back to heroin if I don't have Suboxone in my system (I won't; it was in front of me the other day when on dones and I could have easily fired some and had zero desire to even see it) and that's the only reason I've been on them so long. The whole kicking in jail experience messed me up a lot and has given me permanent anxiety about withdrawls, but I feel like this time I could kick it. I have nothing going on for at least 3 weeks and a pharmacy at my disposal as long as it's not an opiate. What would you guys suggest? Sorry about the novel; I'm just a little worked up. Kind of reeling from the withdrawls I haven't felt in at least 2 years, but also hopeful I may have overcome the lengthy Suboxone half life and may only be looking at a 10-14 day kick that could possibly be done with sleep. Chime in if you want to, and let it be known my heart is with all of you poor souls who have ever experienced withdrawls. Just be happy you're not in early 20th century (or even late 19th?) when heroin was sold in bottles as a cure-all. Imagine all the poor housewives and their kids who had to go through fatty withdrawls (you know the quality was good coming straight from Bayer lol)! Or the pre-methadone detox of sticking you in a padded room until you slept a full night by yourself (kind of like my jail stint lol). Anyway, advice, comments, questions, hit me up.
Thanks all.
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I've been on Suboxone for almost two years now. Over the last few months I've very slowly been tapering down. Down to the point where I've been taking just half a mg for the last month. Wednesday was my last day taking it. I'm going through withdrawals now but so far, not so bad. My legs are f'n killing me and that makes it hard to sleep. Other than that though, nothing really. No cold sweats or runny nose or panic attacks or any of that other stuff I experienced coming off of heroin. I'm hoping two days in, this is the worst I'm going to see. Who knows though.
My experience with Suboxone as a whole has been great. Flat out, it saved my life. The first year or so is hard but that's more post-acute withdrawal syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93acute_withdrawal_syndrome) than anything really to do with Suboxone. I don't know. I recommend, if possible, people stay on Suboxone for the long haul and just work with it. I did the one week detox thing in the past and that did nothing for me.
Also, I was on Methodone for a year. Worse than heroin. Straight up.
My experience with Suboxone as a whole has been great. Flat out, it saved my life. The first year or so is hard but that's more post-acute withdrawal syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93acute_withdrawal_syndrome) than anything really to do with Suboxone. I don't know. I recommend, if possible, people stay on Suboxone for the long haul and just work with it. I did the one week detox thing in the past and that did nothing for me.
Also, I was on Methodone for a year. Worse than heroin. Straight up.
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I was a heavy opiate user for about 3yrs and am now currently on Suboxone. I have only been on suboxone for 2mths and already down to 1mg per day. I feel great but have tried to stop and WD's begin (hardcore) on day 2. This may sound stupid but I have no fear of relapsing on opiates and was thinking about taking some low dose hydro's for a couple days to help me get through the suboxone WD's. I guess my questions is: Can you use low dose pain killers to come off suboxone? Will it help at all? Or is it a complete waste of time?
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i have quit subs several times with no or very minimal withdrawls. i would do about 10 norcos a day and smoke h when i would run out or just for fun. after a couple years into that i was sick of the slavery and the $ i was wasting i decieded to take my first sub on my gf's b day with her moma at disneyland. since i was scared of the of the risk of withdrawl when taking it too early and not waiting until your sick i decided to take a little crumb and c how that went. everything was fine so i took another piece which was about a quarter of the 8 ml. i went thru a long ass day at disneyland and it was all good. no withdrawl. i took less than a quarter once a day for a few more days then stopped and id be kleen for a couple weeks and had no withdrawls and everything was fine it was a f*****g miracle drug. but i thought i could keep dipping back into opiate binges and i could just cheet the withdrawl with doing the subs. i kept repeating that process and then i started taking larger doses of subs about 4ml and 8ml for fun or for times of stress and for longer periods of time. it became a different story. it was now in my system like a disease. i would stop and assume the opiates had passed by now but i would feel sick so i would take it for another week or so to ensure it would have passed. i didnt know how addicting this sh*t was i got i it from my friend that wanted to keep using h i wasnt
prescribed . so i took it a little longer to ensure the opiates to have passed but would get sick so then i realized that cant be the case and that it is addicting . ive been on it for a year now i ran out and had weened down all the way to doing 1mil for a week and i ran out and thought i could stop by now but i tried and on the 3rd day i picked up norcos and oxys and xanex . i plan on buying time with low doses of those narcotics to buy time away from the BS subs. i dont know if that will work but i mite go bak on opiates for a while then if available do subs for 3 days max. DO NOT TAKE THEM FOR THAN A WEEK AND TAKE THE LEAST AMOUNT U CAN AND B PATIENT take a tiny crumb and wait and see, if your still sick take a little more and find your right dose. f**k those doctors . if screwed i didnt know it was that addicting but karmas a b***h i escaped from many withdrawls but they all came bak
prescribed . so i took it a little longer to ensure the opiates to have passed but would get sick so then i realized that cant be the case and that it is addicting . ive been on it for a year now i ran out and had weened down all the way to doing 1mil for a week and i ran out and thought i could stop by now but i tried and on the 3rd day i picked up norcos and oxys and xanex . i plan on buying time with low doses of those narcotics to buy time away from the BS subs. i dont know if that will work but i mite go bak on opiates for a while then if available do subs for 3 days max. DO NOT TAKE THEM FOR THAN A WEEK AND TAKE THE LEAST AMOUNT U CAN AND B PATIENT take a tiny crumb and wait and see, if your still sick take a little more and find your right dose. f**k those doctors . if screwed i didnt know it was that addicting but karmas a b***h i escaped from many withdrawls but they all came bak
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I would just like to let any opiate addict searching for help detoxing know, Suboxone IS a miracle drug. However, DO NOT take it longer than a week. 10 days at most. You use Suboxone to get thru the withdrawl of opiates. And its smoooooth sailing.DO NOT take Suboxone for pain or any other reason. There are better answers for you. It is for ADDICTS who cannot make it thru the withdrawl of the drug they use. Doctors who perscribe this stuff to people for months and years at a time without informing them it IS addicting are idiotic. The withdrawls are not in your head. I was a heroin IV user for 4 years. Have used Suboxone many times to get off it. It works. Problem is it doesnt help with the cravings thereafter u stop taking it. That you have to do on your own. If youd rather be addicted to something like Suboxone rather than something like heroin. By all means. It'll help. But know what your gettin yourself into. In a matter of speaking, its better than heroin. But your withdrawls wont only last a week. Oh, and please dont take any opiate for at least 24 hours before taking it. NOW THEM ARE WITHDRAWLS!!!!
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The folks over at the sub forum are in a panic over this drug . There are indications that some prescribers are becoming aware of a serious problem with it too. It can be a "miracle" but extended use turns it in to a nightmare to jump off. Possibly the user's body turns it over time into something completely different. Best advice is to use it short term only to get off opiates entirely. Never go back. First w/d is a freebie, second is painful, third is living death. I haven't got to a fourth yet. God willing, will not live that long.
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Okay so.. I have alot of chronic pain due to back & neck problems.. I started off taking Darvocet from my physician, was then referred to a
pain management" doctor, and he put me on Vicodin, Norco, and Percocet (not all at the same time, obviously.. ) So anyway.. three years later and I'm taking anywhere from 8-12 5mg Percocet (Oxycodone) per day. Obviously.. if you're on this forum to start with then there is no need for me to explain to you why I want to quit, what it has done to my life, and what I feel like when I don't have them. I've tried cold turkey.. and I end up feeling like I'm going to die. (I know it sounds dramatic, but I seriously called a few people and asked them was I going to die from this?) It is the worst feeling in the world.. I might be able to deal with the flu-like symptoms.. but the lack of energy, leg/muscle spasms, and not being able to sleep is killer for me.. especially since I have a four year old that depends on me to atleast be out of bed for her everyday. I mean there are times (when I'm going thru w/d) that I literally can't even think.. talk.. see.. much less get out of bed to take a shower. I could write a novel about this but basically.. I'm ready for this to end. I need and want my life back.. I need to be a better mother to my child.. I just want to be a better person period. I didn't start buying pills off the street.. I got a prescription from a doctor, which led to more prescriptions, tolerance buildup, and me taking way more than I should and resorting to buying them off the street. I don't know what to do anymore. I came across Suboxone on the web.. and I need some serious answers from some intelligent people who have preferabbly taken this drug before. If I go to a Sub Dr. .. is he really going to help me? I feel like I am just switching out one pill for another.. but I HAVE to get off the narcotics/opiates. My life is miserable and I'm notthe person I used to be.. I just want ME back. My main questions are.. if I start taking SUB.. will it be easier to stop taking than the percs? Will my doc work with me to get off the suboxone.. will I still experience withdrawals from this medication?? How long will it take for me to start feeling better once I start taking it AND after I stop... ? I just want to get better.. for myself and my daughter... somebody please help me. I need answers and I need them ASAP!! Thanks so much..
pain management" doctor, and he put me on Vicodin, Norco, and Percocet (not all at the same time, obviously.. ) So anyway.. three years later and I'm taking anywhere from 8-12 5mg Percocet (Oxycodone) per day. Obviously.. if you're on this forum to start with then there is no need for me to explain to you why I want to quit, what it has done to my life, and what I feel like when I don't have them. I've tried cold turkey.. and I end up feeling like I'm going to die. (I know it sounds dramatic, but I seriously called a few people and asked them was I going to die from this?) It is the worst feeling in the world.. I might be able to deal with the flu-like symptoms.. but the lack of energy, leg/muscle spasms, and not being able to sleep is killer for me.. especially since I have a four year old that depends on me to atleast be out of bed for her everyday. I mean there are times (when I'm going thru w/d) that I literally can't even think.. talk.. see.. much less get out of bed to take a shower. I could write a novel about this but basically.. I'm ready for this to end. I need and want my life back.. I need to be a better mother to my child.. I just want to be a better person period. I didn't start buying pills off the street.. I got a prescription from a doctor, which led to more prescriptions, tolerance buildup, and me taking way more than I should and resorting to buying them off the street. I don't know what to do anymore. I came across Suboxone on the web.. and I need some serious answers from some intelligent people who have preferabbly taken this drug before. If I go to a Sub Dr. .. is he really going to help me? I feel like I am just switching out one pill for another.. but I HAVE to get off the narcotics/opiates. My life is miserable and I'm notthe person I used to be.. I just want ME back. My main questions are.. if I start taking SUB.. will it be easier to stop taking than the percs? Will my doc work with me to get off the suboxone.. will I still experience withdrawals from this medication?? How long will it take for me to start feeling better once I start taking it AND after I stop... ? I just want to get better.. for myself and my daughter... somebody please help me. I need answers and I need them ASAP!! Thanks so much..
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OK I see that you indeed can post here as a Guest, very cool. I major in Suboxone detox, done it over 100 separate times. It took me many many times to learn how to do it THE RIGHT WAY. Let me tell you something first, NO sub Dr. will prescribe this med properly or at least 90% of them, they just don't know the deal of they are money hungry bastards. OK first let me tell you my history, (Probably very long)
I'm 39 years old, started doing drugs when I was 12, mostly weed, Coke, Meth, Hash & LSD, in other words, I already had an addictive personality. All my friends that I partied with as young teens would party hard with me as weekend warriors, but me that wasn't enough. I did them more and more and more everyday of the week, got sent to a special school at age 15 for behavior problems and even got kicked out of there for fighting and sh*t (cuz of drugs). Somewhere in that span of time between ages 12 and 15 or so, I had a molar or some sh*t pulled out and was prescribed Tylenol 3's. Only took 1 and I was never so high in my life, it was the f*****g best, since I was already a complete druggie on everything else this was like finding a gold mine. I ate the whole bottle in 2 days. Then I started going through my parents medicine cabs (separate home) so 2 places to "Raid" luckily, or sadly I found Percs at 1 and Vic's at the other, a lot at the latter. Then started raiding friends med cabs and Aunt's & Uncles or wherever I was. I also got full sheets of acid off my older sister who followed the Dead, sold 10 of them to pay her back and the rest was all money for drugs. This is the time when I really started going deep, as if that wasn't deep enough, in all honesty, what I have told you so far is child's play to what I then got into. I had a fairly steady means of cash through selling LSD, weed & Coke in school, plus stealing a couple of hundred from my dads night stand almost every week, then their was trades and or barters with ppl who's DOC (Drug OF Choice) was differ from mine. Slowly but surely I was meeting ppl with hardcore connections for anything I wanted anytime I needed it, OC's Morphine as Kadian & MS Contin, Heroin, Dilaudid, Fent patches, Fent Lollipops, you name I did it and did it hard. At my worst I would take 2 OC 80's when I woke up just to get out of bed, 1 crushed & Snorted the other plugged (rectal), around noon I stick my fent patch on, plus I would cut them open and rub the gel into my mouth and also rectally. Not but a couple hours later I would start sucking on a 1800 mc
lollipop, in the evening I would mostly just snort and plug 30mg Roxy's. That was prob my worst and that lasted for a few years, replacing some pills with others depending on what was available or whatever, you get the idea, it was friggin bad, chasing the dragon like an MF'er. During this time I was also smoking crack, snorting coke and doing every other damn drug that was around. I had huge parties pretty much every night and the sh*t was just always around and when it's your house holding the party most sh*t was just given to me (a great way to save money to buy the opiates). Over the years my connections all died or were thrown in prison, so I went to Heroin, bundles and bundles and bundles. I never did shoot the stuff though (hate needles), just snorted & or plugged usually both at the same time, a bag in each.
Sorry for the length but I felt I had to lay that down, prob for my own sanity. Not many ppl within my circle know the true extent of what I did/do, so it's good to tell the story, even if it's only a small portion.
OK so I was introduced to Suboxone, when I 1st tried this the Doc lied to me and BS'ed big time, and as I found out later they all do, at least back then, nowadays more Sub Docs are starting to get this right, but still very very few. He put me on 2 8mg tabs a day, which I now know is not only way too much, it's a ridiculous amount. Trust me, I had one of the highest opiate tolerance known to man. Anyways after years of trial and error and switching back & forth from Subs to Opiates more times then I can count, Precipitated withdrawls and the whole deal, been there done that. In fact I have it down so well that I can switch back to opiates any time I want and back to Subs again with no ill effects what so ever, except a very mild case of the don't want to do anything blues for 2 days. Everyone says if you take Subs too soon after your last opiate dose it will throw you into precipitated withdrawls and though this can happen and has happened to me and tend not to agree, that's if it's done right.
OK lets say your running low on OC 80's, you have 2 left then you know your going to be screwed, but you have subs laying in wait. OK, no prob, do this. Take your last fix at around noon, 2pm at the latest. Then wait as long as you can that night until you get very sleepy, pop a zanie, totem pole, ladder, whatever the hell U call them or a couple V's or Kpin, (perhaps anything that can knock you out cold, but I only did it with what I mentioned, so can't say if other c**p would actually work, though I'm sure it would be the same) I prefer doing this with Z's cuz they knock my ass out F'in hard. OK so before you pass the hell out throw half of an 8mg sub under your tonger, NEVER MORE THEN 4mg, NEVER, I don't care what anyone says. The #1 rule with Sub is the less the better and it's very very true. And yes, even on your first dose. OK so now you got the sub in your system and your about ready to pass the hell out, great this is what you want, this way, just in case you do go into Precipitated withdrawals (which I highly doubt, but can happen) it don't matter, because you'll be out like a friggin light. By the time you wake up your already in fairly good shape, if not fine. If your not, depending on symptoms do the following. If you feel any withdrawl symptoms then take another 4mb sub, if you just feel kinda lame or whatever either knock yourself back out with more Z or V or deal with it. But I bet you'll be fine, or at the very least good enough to get up and do whatever, even go to work (though I suggest doing this when you have at least 1 day off to adjust). You can also drink those 5 hour energy things, they work big time, much vitamins that you need for energy in that c**p, also eat many bananas for potassium, it helps. Along with 2 multi vitamins.
OK now if your OK at this point your home free, but remember this, cuz you'll have to do this 1 more time when you come off the Subs in 5 days, YES I said 5 days. Don't listen to anyone that says any different, this bupe c**p that is what Suboxone is has been in use for a VERY long time in Europe and they know all about it. It's SUPPOSED to be used for SHORT TERM use. The longer your on Suboxone the harder it is to come off of. Many ppl say it's worse then opiates itself, when on it for extended periods, I've heard of ppl being on this c**p for 2 years, that's absolutely INSANE. 10 days is ABSOLUTELY the longest anyone should be on this c**p, and even that is tough. B4 I tell you the 5 day taper process let me say that if ppl reading this have already been on Subs for a long time and are like damn I'm screwed now, NO your not. But what these ppl can do and I'd really hate to say it but it's the best, fastest and cheapest way. is stop taking Subs and wait, they have a very long half life, though it's impossible for me to tell you what time you should do the next step but I do it in 24 hours, but if your not dope sick then wait and keep waiting until you get signs of dope sickness and then go back to your opiate of choice and stay on it for at least 2 weeks (b4 anyone jump all over me for saying this, hold the phone, I'm getting ppl off of opiates NOT getting them on them, this is part of the process if your already stuck in the Suboxone web of lies or the SWOL.) If your not stuck in the SWOL, DO NOT DO THIS STEP, just go below for the rest of the 5 day Suboxone Taper method. OK so ppl that are stuck in the SWOL, now your just a regular opiate user now having been back on the junk for a few weeks or whatever, so your now good go back to the subs and be at the step I'm talking about here.
REMEMBER, take last opiate fix at noon, 2 pm at the latest and do what I said above for day 1. Actually it doesn't really count as day 1 since your not taking the first Sub till very late and basically knocking yourself out, when you wake up that is day 1 officially of the 5 day Sub taper.
NEXT STEP = STEP 2 = day 1 of 5 day Suboxone taper. If your feeling OK after waking up from first dose then wait until next dose tail like afternoon, take 4mg melted under tonger as prescribed. Thats' it for half's of 8mg tabs, we are going to 1/4 tabs now. Wait tail bedtime and tonger 2mg ( 1/4 tab if you have 8's).
Day 2 = 1/4 tab in the AM, then at bed time break 1/4 tab in half and take just 1mg and go to bed.
Day 3 = Repeat day 2, 2mg AM, 1mg PM.
(Also, try to space out the doses further apart each day) like if you took first AM dose at 7am then PM dose at 7pm, then go 9am, 10pm, so to spread it further both ways, get it.
Day 4 = 1 mg in the am, that's it.
Day 5 = 1 mg in the pm.
NOW LISTEN. Not everyone is the same, but this has worked for many ppl, some ppl go a few days more, but only taking 1mg every other day for 2 more days, then none 1 more day, then 0.5 for 2 days, then 0.5 every other day for just 2 days and that's it. DO not take it any longer then that or you could be caught in the SWOL. I don't go with the extra days but that's just me, like I said everyone is different and some ppl might need these extra days of taper.
Then when the half life wears off, you should be fine, but if feeling crappy, do what we did at the beginning and drop a Z, V, Kpin or whatever and sleep it off, when you wake up if you need energy drink 5 hour energy, eat bananas, other fruit, Vitamins and that kinda c**p. Excessive, get out, move around, bath in Epsom salt, if you have a hot tub get in it. But you should be fine enough to function. If your still feeling lame and or with drawl Symptoms, then roll with some methods from The Thomas Recipe - For Opiate Withdrawal (Search for it, it's everywhere) that will help to finish any crappy feeling you may have still. In fact, b4 you even start the 5 day sub detox method, you may want to go shopping and load up with some of the stuff on that Thomas recipe, this way the c**p is already on hand. Actually I'd start taking some of that c**p too, as needed. Only you know your body, so whatever the ailment take what med you need for it, cuz if you get everything on that list you'll have something for every possible ailment you may encounter, but that shouldn't even happen, but the longer your on the Subs the better chance they will and worse and if your on the stuff too long you'll be in a world of trouble with this or any method. That's why if your already stuck in the SWOL it's sometimes better to go back to opiates so you can then return to Suboxone the proper way, SHORT TERM !
Feel free to ask any questions, I'll really try to help you. Believe, don't believe it, call me a liar, say what you will, this is the truth and the way it was meant to be done. I'm not the first one to speak of the short term Suboxone method, many of ppl swear by and it's all over the INTERNET, don't take my word for it, I'm a drug addict. Be smart, and do the research, it's all over the web, 100's of pages dedicated to Suboxone detox and many of them speak of this technique, though this exact method was tweaked a little by me and a few friends, who it also worked on. Bottom line is, you'll fine many different Short Term Suboxone detox methods out there, one thing is common with ppl that have the experience and that's SHORT TERM. Do what you gotta do, but never take Sub for more then say 10 days, perhaps 14, but I personally think that's stretching it, but that my opinion based on what has worked for me.
I been on & off Subs between Opiates for years, hundreds of times and tried every way possible in every combination and this is the only way that works for me and many ppl will tell you the same.
I'll end this with 2 things. 1 - Research. 2 - Short Term
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I'm 39 years old, started doing drugs when I was 12, mostly weed, Coke, Meth, Hash & LSD, in other words, I already had an addictive personality. All my friends that I partied with as young teens would party hard with me as weekend warriors, but me that wasn't enough. I did them more and more and more everyday of the week, got sent to a special school at age 15 for behavior problems and even got kicked out of there for fighting and sh*t (cuz of drugs). Somewhere in that span of time between ages 12 and 15 or so, I had a molar or some sh*t pulled out and was prescribed Tylenol 3's. Only took 1 and I was never so high in my life, it was the f*****g best, since I was already a complete druggie on everything else this was like finding a gold mine. I ate the whole bottle in 2 days. Then I started going through my parents medicine cabs (separate home) so 2 places to "Raid" luckily, or sadly I found Percs at 1 and Vic's at the other, a lot at the latter. Then started raiding friends med cabs and Aunt's & Uncles or wherever I was. I also got full sheets of acid off my older sister who followed the Dead, sold 10 of them to pay her back and the rest was all money for drugs. This is the time when I really started going deep, as if that wasn't deep enough, in all honesty, what I have told you so far is child's play to what I then got into. I had a fairly steady means of cash through selling LSD, weed & Coke in school, plus stealing a couple of hundred from my dads night stand almost every week, then their was trades and or barters with ppl who's DOC (Drug OF Choice) was differ from mine. Slowly but surely I was meeting ppl with hardcore connections for anything I wanted anytime I needed it, OC's Morphine as Kadian & MS Contin, Heroin, Dilaudid, Fent patches, Fent Lollipops, you name I did it and did it hard. At my worst I would take 2 OC 80's when I woke up just to get out of bed, 1 crushed & Snorted the other plugged (rectal), around noon I stick my fent patch on, plus I would cut them open and rub the gel into my mouth and also rectally. Not but a couple hours later I would start sucking on a 1800 mc
lollipop, in the evening I would mostly just snort and plug 30mg Roxy's. That was prob my worst and that lasted for a few years, replacing some pills with others depending on what was available or whatever, you get the idea, it was friggin bad, chasing the dragon like an MF'er. During this time I was also smoking crack, snorting coke and doing every other damn drug that was around. I had huge parties pretty much every night and the sh*t was just always around and when it's your house holding the party most sh*t was just given to me (a great way to save money to buy the opiates). Over the years my connections all died or were thrown in prison, so I went to Heroin, bundles and bundles and bundles. I never did shoot the stuff though (hate needles), just snorted & or plugged usually both at the same time, a bag in each.
Sorry for the length but I felt I had to lay that down, prob for my own sanity. Not many ppl within my circle know the true extent of what I did/do, so it's good to tell the story, even if it's only a small portion.
OK so I was introduced to Suboxone, when I 1st tried this the Doc lied to me and BS'ed big time, and as I found out later they all do, at least back then, nowadays more Sub Docs are starting to get this right, but still very very few. He put me on 2 8mg tabs a day, which I now know is not only way too much, it's a ridiculous amount. Trust me, I had one of the highest opiate tolerance known to man. Anyways after years of trial and error and switching back & forth from Subs to Opiates more times then I can count, Precipitated withdrawls and the whole deal, been there done that. In fact I have it down so well that I can switch back to opiates any time I want and back to Subs again with no ill effects what so ever, except a very mild case of the don't want to do anything blues for 2 days. Everyone says if you take Subs too soon after your last opiate dose it will throw you into precipitated withdrawls and though this can happen and has happened to me and tend not to agree, that's if it's done right.
OK lets say your running low on OC 80's, you have 2 left then you know your going to be screwed, but you have subs laying in wait. OK, no prob, do this. Take your last fix at around noon, 2pm at the latest. Then wait as long as you can that night until you get very sleepy, pop a zanie, totem pole, ladder, whatever the hell U call them or a couple V's or Kpin, (perhaps anything that can knock you out cold, but I only did it with what I mentioned, so can't say if other c**p would actually work, though I'm sure it would be the same) I prefer doing this with Z's cuz they knock my ass out F'in hard. OK so before you pass the hell out throw half of an 8mg sub under your tonger, NEVER MORE THEN 4mg, NEVER, I don't care what anyone says. The #1 rule with Sub is the less the better and it's very very true. And yes, even on your first dose. OK so now you got the sub in your system and your about ready to pass the hell out, great this is what you want, this way, just in case you do go into Precipitated withdrawals (which I highly doubt, but can happen) it don't matter, because you'll be out like a friggin light. By the time you wake up your already in fairly good shape, if not fine. If your not, depending on symptoms do the following. If you feel any withdrawl symptoms then take another 4mb sub, if you just feel kinda lame or whatever either knock yourself back out with more Z or V or deal with it. But I bet you'll be fine, or at the very least good enough to get up and do whatever, even go to work (though I suggest doing this when you have at least 1 day off to adjust). You can also drink those 5 hour energy things, they work big time, much vitamins that you need for energy in that c**p, also eat many bananas for potassium, it helps. Along with 2 multi vitamins.
OK now if your OK at this point your home free, but remember this, cuz you'll have to do this 1 more time when you come off the Subs in 5 days, YES I said 5 days. Don't listen to anyone that says any different, this bupe c**p that is what Suboxone is has been in use for a VERY long time in Europe and they know all about it. It's SUPPOSED to be used for SHORT TERM use. The longer your on Suboxone the harder it is to come off of. Many ppl say it's worse then opiates itself, when on it for extended periods, I've heard of ppl being on this c**p for 2 years, that's absolutely INSANE. 10 days is ABSOLUTELY the longest anyone should be on this c**p, and even that is tough. B4 I tell you the 5 day taper process let me say that if ppl reading this have already been on Subs for a long time and are like damn I'm screwed now, NO your not. But what these ppl can do and I'd really hate to say it but it's the best, fastest and cheapest way. is stop taking Subs and wait, they have a very long half life, though it's impossible for me to tell you what time you should do the next step but I do it in 24 hours, but if your not dope sick then wait and keep waiting until you get signs of dope sickness and then go back to your opiate of choice and stay on it for at least 2 weeks (b4 anyone jump all over me for saying this, hold the phone, I'm getting ppl off of opiates NOT getting them on them, this is part of the process if your already stuck in the Suboxone web of lies or the SWOL.) If your not stuck in the SWOL, DO NOT DO THIS STEP, just go below for the rest of the 5 day Suboxone Taper method. OK so ppl that are stuck in the SWOL, now your just a regular opiate user now having been back on the junk for a few weeks or whatever, so your now good go back to the subs and be at the step I'm talking about here.
REMEMBER, take last opiate fix at noon, 2 pm at the latest and do what I said above for day 1. Actually it doesn't really count as day 1 since your not taking the first Sub till very late and basically knocking yourself out, when you wake up that is day 1 officially of the 5 day Sub taper.
NEXT STEP = STEP 2 = day 1 of 5 day Suboxone taper. If your feeling OK after waking up from first dose then wait until next dose tail like afternoon, take 4mg melted under tonger as prescribed. Thats' it for half's of 8mg tabs, we are going to 1/4 tabs now. Wait tail bedtime and tonger 2mg ( 1/4 tab if you have 8's).
Day 2 = 1/4 tab in the AM, then at bed time break 1/4 tab in half and take just 1mg and go to bed.
Day 3 = Repeat day 2, 2mg AM, 1mg PM.
(Also, try to space out the doses further apart each day) like if you took first AM dose at 7am then PM dose at 7pm, then go 9am, 10pm, so to spread it further both ways, get it.
Day 4 = 1 mg in the am, that's it.
Day 5 = 1 mg in the pm.
NOW LISTEN. Not everyone is the same, but this has worked for many ppl, some ppl go a few days more, but only taking 1mg every other day for 2 more days, then none 1 more day, then 0.5 for 2 days, then 0.5 every other day for just 2 days and that's it. DO not take it any longer then that or you could be caught in the SWOL. I don't go with the extra days but that's just me, like I said everyone is different and some ppl might need these extra days of taper.
Then when the half life wears off, you should be fine, but if feeling crappy, do what we did at the beginning and drop a Z, V, Kpin or whatever and sleep it off, when you wake up if you need energy drink 5 hour energy, eat bananas, other fruit, Vitamins and that kinda c**p. Excessive, get out, move around, bath in Epsom salt, if you have a hot tub get in it. But you should be fine enough to function. If your still feeling lame and or with drawl Symptoms, then roll with some methods from The Thomas Recipe - For Opiate Withdrawal (Search for it, it's everywhere) that will help to finish any crappy feeling you may have still. In fact, b4 you even start the 5 day sub detox method, you may want to go shopping and load up with some of the stuff on that Thomas recipe, this way the c**p is already on hand. Actually I'd start taking some of that c**p too, as needed. Only you know your body, so whatever the ailment take what med you need for it, cuz if you get everything on that list you'll have something for every possible ailment you may encounter, but that shouldn't even happen, but the longer your on the Subs the better chance they will and worse and if your on the stuff too long you'll be in a world of trouble with this or any method. That's why if your already stuck in the SWOL it's sometimes better to go back to opiates so you can then return to Suboxone the proper way, SHORT TERM !
Feel free to ask any questions, I'll really try to help you. Believe, don't believe it, call me a liar, say what you will, this is the truth and the way it was meant to be done. I'm not the first one to speak of the short term Suboxone method, many of ppl swear by and it's all over the INTERNET, don't take my word for it, I'm a drug addict. Be smart, and do the research, it's all over the web, 100's of pages dedicated to Suboxone detox and many of them speak of this technique, though this exact method was tweaked a little by me and a few friends, who it also worked on. Bottom line is, you'll fine many different Short Term Suboxone detox methods out there, one thing is common with ppl that have the experience and that's SHORT TERM. Do what you gotta do, but never take Sub for more then say 10 days, perhaps 14, but I personally think that's stretching it, but that my opinion based on what has worked for me.
I been on & off Subs between Opiates for years, hundreds of times and tried every way possible in every combination and this is the only way that works for me and many ppl will tell you the same.
I'll end this with 2 things. 1 - Research. 2 - Short Term
The end
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I am on day 6 of no suboxone. I was doing anywhere from 60-160 mgs of any opiate I could get my hands on for 4 years, I then went to a greedy doctor who told me that i have "re-wired" my brain over the past 4 years of opiate use and I might have to be on suboxone for EVER! What a crock of sh*t! That doctor was WRONG!! And screw him too... I of course listened to what he said and accepted my suboxone script. After a full year of using 2mg's per day, 4 mg's for first month, I finally hit a wall, THANK GOD! I opened my bottle, for my daily 12 o'clock dose of 1 mg and said %$#% it!! IM DONE!!! I am sick and tired of having NO EMOTIONS!! I didn't care about ANYTHING. I was always in a cloud, no sex drive, no laughing, no crying, no loving, NO CARING, just no emotions, PERIOD! Opiates stole 4 years of my life and I was PISSED OFF!! So I stopped. After day 2 I started feeling the inevitable W/D's. But not that bad. I have W/D from OC, oxycodone etc. and felt 100% worse. I would explain the W/D's as a mild/medium flu, cold chills, hot cold sweats, no energy, hard to eat etc. You know, like a flu. Nothing worse. Like I mentioned; I am on day 6 and am starting to feel better. I would say my peak was day 3, 4 & 5. What helped me was a "cleansing" (from GNC) I drank a ton of it and peed like crazy. But the more you pee the faster you will feel better. Why? I have no idea, If i had to guess I would say I am getting the lingering opiates out of my body and all the other c**p that went with it. Today I felt 80% like my old self. Still have chills but that's it! I bet by day 10 I will be 100%. YOU CAN DO IT! It is not that bad!! If anyone has any more questions please feel free to ask. Several posts I have read on here helped me greatly and I would like nothing more than to return the favor. One more thing, MUSIC helps a ton. You will feel it! Only your favorite music. Pearl jam did it for me but whatever you like the most. I would sing out loud in my car and even got extremely mad at the drug and found myself SCREAMING, SPITTING MAD, at the drug. And even said BRING ON THE W/D's, BRING IT FUC#$%# ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET MAD AT THE DRUG, it has stolen years away from you. SCREAM AT IT, you will be amazed at the emotions you will be flooded with. Best of luck to all and remember it is not as hard as people say. YOU CAN DO IT!! Best of luck to all and most of all, God bless.
-Tad
-Tad
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Real fast i started using OC when i was around 18..not to heavily just ocasionally 2-4 times a week and did that for a couple of years and i never noticed W/D..well when i was 20 i started using again finding cheaper hooks etc etc etc....ill be 25 in march and basically the longest i have been clean for is for 3 months..
This girl i was dating was perscribed to Sub's and of course i started trying them and thought it would be ok taking them and i thought i wouldnt experiance any w/d's either...the thing is thought i don't think i have taken more than 1mg but twice in the last 1.5 years and i knew other people could take a whole or two so i thought i was in good shape...
Anyways monday night i had about .5mg and today is thursday Day 3 and its pretty crappy...last night was the worst trying to sleep my mind was going crazy and i had a stupid song stuck in my head all night..but finally fell asleep after i took 3 Tylenol PM's...but i think im going to try a different approach then cold turkey...maybe a substitute but not an opiate substitute....i'm thinking xanax will work and i have had plenty of scripts of xan without having an addiction....idk what im going to do yet but im hoping this doesnt last much longer :/
This girl i was dating was perscribed to Sub's and of course i started trying them and thought it would be ok taking them and i thought i wouldnt experiance any w/d's either...the thing is thought i don't think i have taken more than 1mg but twice in the last 1.5 years and i knew other people could take a whole or two so i thought i was in good shape...
Anyways monday night i had about .5mg and today is thursday Day 3 and its pretty crappy...last night was the worst trying to sleep my mind was going crazy and i had a stupid song stuck in my head all night..but finally fell asleep after i took 3 Tylenol PM's...but i think im going to try a different approach then cold turkey...maybe a substitute but not an opiate substitute....i'm thinking xanax will work and i have had plenty of scripts of xan without having an addiction....idk what im going to do yet but im hoping this doesnt last much longer :/
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hi i was taking 10-15 5mg percocet everyday for about 2 months. went to the dr. and he started me on 16mg of suboxone a day. that was 2 months ago. i am now down to 6mg a day and i hate this stuff. after what i've read and found out since starting suboxone i want to get off as quickly as possible. from what i read on this post my best bet is to get back on the percs and then do the 5 day sub plan. im wondering how many percs a day i should take and for how long before i take the subs again for 5 days. i have notified all the doctors on the small island where i live of my addiction so that i will never again be prescribed opiates. that being said a friend of mine who is not an addict but understands how evil this suboxone is is willing to go to a few dr. appts to get the pills i will need. have i already been on to high of a dose for to long that i will i long term side affects? please help me with these questions. and thanks to all on here who are sharing your stories. so courageous!
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hi i was taking 10-15 5mg percocets everyday for 2 months before a dr. put me on 16mg of suboxone. i quickly went down to 8mg and am now on 6mg a day. i've been taking suboxone now for 2 months and i hate it and want to get off asap. from what i've read here the best/quickest way is to get back on the percs for a while and then the subs for 5-6 days. i had notified all the drs. on the small island i live on of my addiction so that i can never again be prescribed opiates but i have a very understanding friend (who is not an addict) who is willing to go to a few dr. appts. to get the pills i will need to do this. my questions are how many percs and for how many days before doing the 5 day sub plan and also have i already been on to high of a dose and for to long to not have bad withdrawals anyways. please help me. and also thanks to all on here who have been so courageous and shared their stories.
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