yes i am going to the one in vancouver and he has me scared for tomorrow and their english isnt too well so the questions i ask he doesnt really answer.
Understood - I had the same issue - what I discovered was that the nurses did speak English a lot better, see if that is the case in Vancouver - I actually asked one of them my questions and asked her to translate the response. That is what worked best as otherwise you are right their English can be hard to understand. But don't be too scared. There is definitely pain involved, as we all say, but the end result has been totally worth it. Just make it as easy as you can for yourself for when you go home. The first night/day WAS rough for me, had I known I would have not worked for example but that is why we are all saying do what you need to do and you will be ok. And don't be afraid to ask for someone to translate!
Hi Wendy,
I went to the Vancouver one myself and yes, Dr. Micheal's english is not very good. You could ask the recpetionist, Sara to come in and translate for you, her english is a lot better. They do not really warn you of what to expect, unsure if that is good or bad? But they will tell you when you need someone to drive you home if need be or will call a cab for you. Good luck.
GeoffJ
Hi Wendy. I am one of the guest that asked what to expect for the first time visit. I went and did the procedure just last week. The acupuncture didn't hurt that much, perhaps a couple of really good pinch it feels like. The after part is bearable, just make sure that you sit in your bum for a good 2 hours after the procedure. I didn't have cramps, but I wasn't able to sleep at night because of the burning sensation. But I'm a light sleeper so that could be a personal issue. The bm is a bit more painful but momentarily painful. It will be like that for about a week (of pain, first and second day are the worst) but everyday gets better. Like the other people, the skin tag was removed and it's raw so it needs time to heal itself.
I can truly say, I'm happy with the result. I'm still recovering but very happy indeed. The doctors in the Toronto office is better with communication although I still ask the receptionist from time to time for clarification. I praise God that I read about this in one of the health magazine I was reading 2 months ago. Good luck!
so by the looks of this thread, this NATCM works for some people...
I don't have the money yet to try them out, but fearful of any kind of operation, i'm definitely leaning towards gambling with this kind of treatment.
I got a bit lost in who and what procedures yall had - i personally have a few external hemmies that seem to swell even after standing for 15 minutes. not much pain, just swelling - i think my skin or veins just doesn't have the strength to keep them inside me.
For external hemmies, how long did those take to treat? i'm not asking about internals or fissures of fistulas. just externals. I'm trying to gauge how long of a trip I would need to plan for.
Cbello, are you the one who wrote the article in the Vitality site? I'm not doubting your success, but if this really does have a high success rate, why can't i really find any other articles about them other than yours? i recently did some research on coconut oil and there are thousands and thousands of articles about the benefits and studies of coconut oil, but for hemorrhoids, a problem so many people deal with, it seems like the results of looking for remedies and treatment options seem to be bombarded by advertisements of websites, medicines, treatments that come across as spam.
if there are so many hemmies sufferers in the world, then why isn't a company like NATCM making a zillion dollars with thousands of clinics worldwide? wouldn't they be as big of an entity as Apple?
that being said, i'm still opting to try these guys out.
Moons over my Hemmies: Most people prefer to listen to their doctor. They are afraid to look at other approaches to disease. We all know the horror stories of hemorrhoidectomy's from orthodox medicine. I would rather trust the Chinese with thousands of years of experience with herbal medicine and acupuncture to rectify a problem. The fact remains NATCM has treated thousands of Oriental people. Orthodox medicine prefers surgery...that's where the money is. Sometimes instead of thinking out of your rear end, its best to use another part of your body....your brain to make a good decision. NATCM owns 50 hospitals in China and employs hundreds of doctors. They have numerous awards from the Chinese government and are extremely well respected.
Hello, It's Cbello in the flesh. Where do I start to address your comments and concerns. To understand NATCM you need to consider the environment in which it was created. In China for at least 2000+ years there were two options available to patients - die or be cured. There is no option for ongoing, never ending treatment like there is in the West. It is normal for the Chinese to expect their doctors to heal them, completely and permanently. In fact, they do not consider a doctor to be doctor unless he is able to achieve this. If fissures, fistulas and hemorrhoids were located anywhere else on the body then for most people all you would have to do is slap a band aid on the area and wait for the body to heal itself. The Chens, through five generations of healers, have perfected a system that uses highly sophisticated proprietary ointments and a daily treatment regimen that supports the body to rebuild skin and heal the infected areas. As for your comments regarding why the Chens are not zillionaires and why this treatment is There is no financial incentive to completely solve medical issues. There is vastly more more profit in the treatment. The fastest way to get fired in the west is for a cancer researcher at a pharmaceutical company to walk into his boss' office and say he has discovered a cure for cancer. You could not charge enough money for the cure to come even close to the money that is made through ongoing, never ending and poorly performing treatment. I was in a meeting a few years back with a pharmaceutical executive helping to promote a complete and GUARANTEED cure for Herpes (i.e., elimination of the virus completely from the body). Twenty minutes into the meeting the exec said, "can you make it less effective". In other words, can the remedy by altered such that it was better than competing solutions but not so good that it would cure the situation completely and eliminate the need for ongoing purchases of whatever. This is a true story and I was in the room when it happened. Do you really think this is an isolated case? I liken my NATCM treatment to a paraplegic being able to miraculously walk away from his wheelchair. I was in a living hell. My western docs (some of the most revered in the business) told to eat more fiber, drink more water and sit in salt water baths. That is what 8-10 years of medical school and white lab coats got me. I am living proof that there is a cure to these ailments but they will not be initiated by the western medical mafia. Because of NATCM I have removed hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatment and medication over my lifetime. I have the rear end of a four year old and flex my sphincter muscles every once in a while remind myself of how lucky I am. Also understand that my condition is not unique. I am not the one in a million that was miraculously cured. If you are still unsure I suggest that you conduct a simple study. Walk into a colarectal surgeon's office and poll the patients by asking the obvious questions about their ONGOING treatment. Then do the same in the NATCM clinic. You will quickly get a sense for what is really going on and which clinic you should spend your time in. As the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide.
MartinV & CBello - thanks for the response! yeah, i'm definitely opting to give the TCM route a try. I'm hoping my condition will be one of the easily treatable ones for them. As for you two, i'm curious how you have been since after the procedure. Cbello you say that your bum is pretty much a new bum - does that mean you are able to live a carefree lifestyle? without having to bring the Hemmies Bum survival pack everywhere? can you work out? run? walk up hill? downhill? eat an occasional spicy thai dish? drink a few glasses of bourbon? a few beers? have an occasional constipation without the worries of having some kind of relapse flare? do you now have that sense of "confidence" when it comes to the ability/functionality of your bum without having some kind of emergency flare up? i ask this because i'm more concerned about what kind of lifestyle and quality of life I will have after going through the treatment. sorry - i've been known to ask ALOT of questions.
how did you two find natcm?
Hi, In my case I had a complete and permanent solution. I have absolutely no concern regarding food choices etc.
Moons....There were 2 dentists in Australia that got the Nobel Prize for figuring out that Stomach ulcers were caused by a bacteria (virus?). It took 16 years for the medical establishment to accept their premise DESPITE the fact that they had the results to prove it. Meanwhile, in the intervening years, millions of people suffered needlessly while the pharmaceutical firms, medical doctors, and hospitals profited handsomely with treatment that did not work. Unfortunately, if a new modality can not be patented, .... it is not profitable for a pharmaceutical firm to pursue. And even if it were to be patented, it takes millions, possibly billions of dollars in research for FDA approval along with many years. In my case, I had severe stage 3 internal and external hemorrhoids plus an anal polyp. It took 3 weeks of treatment for 95% improvement. Most folks need on average just 10 days. It is now more 3 years since my visit to NATCM. They gave me a 5 year guarantee that if I should get a reoccurence, that my second visitation would be free. Can any MD you know in the states offer such a guarantee?
no, I don't know any MD in the states that would offer such a guarantee.
But on the topic of a money-back guarantee, as great as that sounds, unless one is local to their clinic, making the arrangements to travel and stay there for an unknown amount of days, and then for whatever reason some kind of relapse does happen within that 5 year guarantee period would require another set of arrangements for travel again. This would be a big commitment and gamble that one would have to take for someone like myself who doesn't have the financial status to afford the time to make this happen so easily.
by the looks of it, you 2 seem to be the biggest supporters and advocates of Natcm within this thread.
could you give me some insight on how you discovered natcm? how much did you know about them and their procedures before taking that leap of faith?
do you possibly know if the Chens themselves are easily accessible to inquire with directly?
I too am a big supporter and advocate of NATCM. I've written of my experiences here several times. I went to Vancouver (from California) in September (two week stay) for treatment and back in early November for a follow up. Expensive? absolutely. I'll be paying off that credit card for at least a year. But it was absolutely worth it. I found NATCM in the same way you did. I read martinv's article somewhere, then came across this forum. I too had all the same doubts. martinv responded to my doubts with consistency to yours, and my mind started to open a bit. I felt I was taking a huge risk when I decided to go. I figured all I could lose was time and money (which comes and goes all life long....), but the prospect of full recovery without surgery was a strong pull. If your problem gets worse (most do once they're chronic), an investment now to cover you the next 5 years may be a very smart move. Your cost is determined by the severity of your case. Good luck! Rebecca
Rebecca, thanks for the response, fellow californian!
It seems like not enough people know about this and yall who have actually gone through the process and had successful results wants to get more people to know about it. without promising anything, i feel pretty confident that i could help with getting the word out. hell, i'm a sufferer so i know how big of a deal this is, and if this really does work, then i would totally want to spread the word too.
Would any of you folks who have gone to NATCM be willing to walk with me some more over phone? even email would do i guess..