The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

From what Ive read, and Ive been investigating all this for over 6 mos. it seems 9 days was the most consecutive sub use that sources reccomend for a short term taper for anyone on other pills. Ideally, 3-4 days. In either case your weaning and starting w as low a dose as possible. For ppl w over a mo use, start as low as poss and wean as much as possible. They say sub WD effects are less the less time you use it. Also, the more you taper and the longer you taper for someone on LONG term sub. The duration/extent of WD symptoms just varies person to person too though. In your case Gibson, at the current stage, yes, I would try not to take any more sub. Im def not saying you WONT have WD's but I AM saying your better off b/c you WILL DEF have less WD and it WILL DEF be a shorter period of WD. Mentally if you arent mad enough to quit, maybe you would prefer the long term taper. Ive heard w a long term sub use and long term taper, it shortens the duration and symptoms of WD but you decrease 1 mg or so every 2 wks. For me, Ive been taking 2 wk sub breaks with OP's for the past IDK maybe 5 mos. IDk if its helping lol. All I know is I think for anyone w over a mo of sub use, you should def taper even after you reach the 1 mg stage. For a short taper, no. Also, at least you have the sub there if you FELL YOU NEED it. I think unfortuantely, eventually we all have to pay the piper and suffer the WD's. I havent personally quit sub long term or short term use but I have researched in every possible way to get the info Im giving. I do know, before I used sub consecutively, I would use it for a few days between whatever and not be addicted. Again, Im not even quitting at this point. Im just tapering and I was always at a "low" dose. Sub has a 3 day half life so usually when ppl do quit with any method they feel the worst on the 4th or 5th day. I think Done has the right idea. However, I have no idea if she's extending her agony by using the pills in between. I guess so from her last post. I think the initial post saying to use sub for 4 days is where its at and I woulda never used this sh*t longer if I knew any of this sh*t before.

Erin - appreciate the insight very much. I am changing my game plan today and going full bore with lowest dose possible. I can't jump right now, tooooo much stuff going on right now. I am the last person in the world that would make 'excuses' but this is a game changer for me. I am cutting up the films into .5mg pieces. So far today I have only had 1 .5mg piece.

I keep rereading Done's posts and 4 weeks of w/d and not sleeping well., that will rip me in 1/2. My job is crazy with end of the year financials due and busy. (accountant by trade).

Would tramadol help any right now you think? I have 90 of those, regular 50mg tabs.

I wish I could go on vacation right now for a week and deal with it. No vacation time until January 1st though.
What a bind.

Tramadol will help you sleep when your withdrawaling if you took it while on suboxone it'll probably make you sick. 

For anxiety I took meds the doc gave me but it made me feel bad during the day so stopped taking it.

Sam: be careful all the post of people doing the 2 month on op then off for 4 days with subs don't repost. How's your friend doing? Can't you follow her lead and cut ops down week by week?

Also don't be discouraged about the sleep you'd be surprised how well you can function on little sleep. I feel real good during the day and if you get off them soon your withdrawals shouldn't be as long.

Your welcome, just a heads up here.You've made such great progress in general and you should be proud of that! Yah def only do whats right for you. For me, Ive just been taking the OPs in hopes that since the sub use hasnt been consecutive for 5-6 mos that maybe when I jump it will be more tolerable for that reason. Ultimately, to quit, I am just tapering. I havent gotten OP's in the past 2 wks and not planning to again. Ive just been doing .5 mg every day the past IDK wk+. its time to go to .25. I personally don't feel any different from going down to .5 except mentally. So thats my plan. I already have everything over counter and will get xanax when done. Until then, Im gonna keep reading everyones progress, especially Done's.I won't be able to speak of the outcome of my "plan" till Im off the subs. IDK if Ill end up taking a sliver of a perc or whatever in between but we shall see. Like I said, I have no idea if that would hurt anyway. So much of it is mental. I totally hear you on the work etc. I'm Director of Sales FT and PT Sales Mgr so two jobs. No kids but no free time so thats intentional lol. By the time I finish work every day and make me and my honey dinner its sleep time lol. So, I couldnt be out of commission. Its so hard no matter what. Your heads in the right place. I prob wont be posting but I ll be reading w you guys and once I have any personal experience info from actually jumping, Ill report back.No matter what, we shouldnt "beat ourselves up". sh*t, its only a medication. I havent had any drug lifestyle in years. I guess for that, Im happy I started sobo. Plus its waaay cheaper.

Done you mentioned a great point too. She's the only one who has kept it going. I think any one documenting progress most likely would keep posting if successful. Don't get me wrong I think everyone's different. It doesn't matter. I would just take the tiny amounts of vikes or whatever if thats what is working for you. Who cares how you get there. You're doing so well. You should be extremely proud.

Well, I am at 3mg today and tomorrow. Then 1mg for 3 days, .5mg for 3 days and then jumping. I won't mess with the tramadol unless I can't sleep.

Hey - IDK why but for some reason I never had any connects w Norcos or loritab so I kinda dont even know what it is. From what I read, I assume its an opiate pill lol. I started w/percs then went to Oxycontin cause I could get it much cheaoer. What a great idea huh?LMAO Honestly, I just have no clue hon. Im no better than anyone else. I have experience w drugs I dont do. Ive read a lot in prep for tapering, I think you said youve been on subs for 9 mos now. Maybe you should roll w/ along term taper. You may end up just wasting your $ on pills, you could just take the bare minimum like you said and then jump off those. Id imagine that would be easier than sub if your sure you'll only do a lil. So much of it is just what you feel and who you are. You know? I dont want to give anyone advice as if I actually know for sure, have them base their decision on that. I do want to warn anyone who just started sub of future issues b/c that Im sure of. Im sure they are better of doing it the least amount of time possible. Best of luck darlin. Its so tough no matter which way works best for you. At least you are attempting to quit or considering. It can ALWAYS be worse.

There you go - Best of luck! Im sure you'll get there. I ll enjoy reading your progress. IDK when Im gnna jump b/c it depends how it feels when i decrease but I do wanna do it as quick as poss. When I do, Ill jump on here and let anyone around know how much it blows lol. Good luck everyone, Ill be rooting for you :)

Gibson please becareful mixing the two from what I heard you can get very very sick. Plus I would save it for the withdrawals it helped me a lot. Look up the drug interaction. It is also addictive and is a 10 day withdrawal with Brain shocks so us it spearingly. I've been looking everything up latly I don't wanna get screwed again. 

Thank u for the post..:) my fiend is still going, still on OP's but only taking 2 a day, but no sleep an very irritable, so she's taking when needed.. I am just wondering what im looking at as far as going from subs to OP's during my first week.. Very nervous!!!

Withdrawals won't get real bad till day 2 or 3 I'd wait till then and just take a piece of one you'll be surprised how such a small piece will give you relief.Wait a good 2 hours to 1 1/2 hours in between each piece try to do what you can. Don't do to much I'd hate to see you go down that path again. Stay strong

It's 930pm here.. 3mg today, but man - what a HEADACHE. Woah. I think I have honestly had 10 headaches in my entire 34 years, but ranks in the top 2. I hope I can sleep. Head is pulsating with my heartbeat it seems. Maybe I dropped too low to fast? I don't know but I guess its to be expected with all of this. No matter what, still sticking with my schedule.

Good job man stick to your plan. I only had one headache the whole time and it was the only night I slept 9 hrs all on my own. I really think you'll only have a couple weeks of withdrawals. 

#27 half a tramadol to get 6 hrs of sleep waking up 3 times. Energy level is definitely better and the fog is completely gone. Tonight's my first night back with no pills to help me. I feel pretty good about it though I know I can do it. 

I need to find something else to sleep. I want to stop the tramadol and switch to something with less of an op. Does anyone know if there is something smaller i can ask a doctor for or even a cough med with codine or something?