The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

Yah thats a good point. You kinda do just need to go for it. Although, people arent sucessful at all when they havent made up their mind on quitting (like me). IDK darlin - may be the vikes. I mean depending how much/how often you been doing em. You must definately be hooked on them, but at least its a small amount and not sub I guess. Maybe you could get something for anxiety. I hear thats a huge part of detox and helps alot. I heard exercising, water and eating healthy speeds up the process big time, along w all the b vitamins and any others. Why was it hard to sleep? Did you feel sick, nervous, awake?

That's one thing I could never do is take vics/norco at night time. I won't or never have taken anything past 5pm. They keep me up. I take Klonipin for anxiety and always take one for sleep. One night recently I had problems sleeping when I quit the sub.

Today, I took 1 norco at 11AM today, felt fine this morning and so far / so good. This weekend I am going to stop taking it and see what happens.

Just remember (hard for me even to say this) We can't keep living life on pills, it's gonna end sometime, might be 1 day or 2 months, but it will happen.

Yah Gibson - So true, At least you have those K-pins already for this purpose. Did you? Yah I hate it when I cant sleep. Even when Im about to quit anything I just get so restless. Its like I know its coming so my mind wont sh*t off. I may fall a sleep but I wake up @ 3 AM and then am runied for work the next day b/c just can't stop worrying about what if's. Its terrible. Thats one thing that scares me a lot is the possibility of having trouble sleeping.

At least you know you're way better off just quitting norcos. It sounds like you've had a lot of bad things happening. Thats when I end up and how I enede up taking percs. Then I cld get Oxycontin waay cheaper and its so similar I just started doing that and on and on. At least the sub for me is way cheaper than either. I never went to the dr for any sub. It doesnt sound like they would be of help anyways lol.

There you go! Im very interested to hear your progress. All this info is helpful and at least talking to someone who even slightly understands helps alot. I can't talk to anyone. No one knows I have this problem. Its tough.

Another very true point. Id much rather do it on my own vs being forced to. Its terrible b/c sometimes being forced is what gets me to do things that my mind keeps talking me into. I's hate to put myself through quitting only to get back on. I m ready and willing enough to be constantly worried about it. So, now/soon is prob gnna be my best bet.

I'm just up and can't go back to sleep. Before when I was taking pills I had no trouble sleeping that's why I was thinking its still the subs. Anxiety meds make me feel bad the next day after taking them. The only reason I've been taking them lately is the extreme exhaustion can't get up and do anything lately. I still have some Rls but not as bad.

Gibson if you don't take them after 5 and not to sleep you seem like your in a good spot to stop. Why do you take themduring the day?

Gibson: I just looked it up and the norco is the same as Vic which is what I'm taking. What mg are you taking? 

Im not going to take any Saturday except a chip to sleep if I have to then using Sunday for work only and only if I can't do it without. Monday stopping everything this time for sure  I can't get anymore. At least you won't be doing it alone I'll be there doing it as well.

Good question - it's the mental thing I'm sure why I take them knowing the sub is in my system and combating the w/d. Yesterday before lunch I felt bad, real bad. Today I have felt fine, just tired and no motivation besides working.

It's the 10/325mg Norco, same as vic, just less Tylenol. Hopefully tomorrow I will fine when I wake up and see how everything plays out. Just like you, this script is all I have left, I'm done. I don't want anymore or need anymore. I value sleep a lot for some reason.

One bad thing for me: I telecommute for work 4 days a week, so I am alone, isolated all day until my wife/kids get home. It seems when I started to telecommute, everything started to get bad with pills. The one day I am at work, I get so dang stressed about stuff.

I feel like right now, as of today, I am in a good spot to make a decision on weather to stop soon or I am back to square one.

You can do it looks like your already almost there and if you are this is a gift don't waste it. If you keep going with the pills you'll just be at square one. I think mine is a lot metal as well just need to get rid of them. So far today not to bad a little light headed and tired but not to bad it's only 1 here though and I need to push through another 12 hours for work. I'm going to try to nap and hopefully I'll feel better for work. Good luck man.

20 times??.....Ummmm...it's 40-50 times stronger than morphine

Had 4 Norco today, feel fine, little bit of med-head type feeling. It's time. I read it takes 5 days to get somewhat dependent on opiates, so tomorrow is day 5 and like you said Done, it's a gift and take it for what it's worth.

eddy.....Try being on suboxone for 4-6 YEARS. 16 mg EVERY day, then just stop cold turkey. I guarantee you that you would not think kicking subs is easy. If you've only been on them for a little while then MAYBE. You need to look up something called P.A.W.S., with people who detox off suboxone who have been on it for more than a year, the withdrawls can last 6-12 months, extreme withdrawls for 4-8 weeks, followed by 4-8 months of P.A.W.S. and that is a FACT. If I had it to do over again I would MUCH rather deal with a week of hell from oxy withdrawl than 6 months of pure agony from suboxone withdrawl.

Well, I didn't take any sub or any pills today. I got op 20s, xanax & trazedone yesterday (for help along quitting). Of course, I don't feel sick.. that's  b/c of the 3 day half life I assume. Idk what I'm going to end up doing really.

I hear you on the telecommuting, I'm "home based" but on the road for meetings all the time. Some days I gotta be home all day to do the estimating & proposals. It can make it much tougher, being alone w your thoughts,

I realized my IPad autocorrected when I was asking you on using the pills. Did you taper b4 you quit and if so to how much? Did you both even feel sick before day 3 & was it way worse then days 1-3? What was the peak time for WD's (1st 2 wks or what)?

 

The first week was the worst couldn't do anything to save my life. Second week still pretty bad but managed to get up here and there. Third week stomach ache finally went away but big time head problems. It gets better after that. Are you quitting for good this time? You'll have a couple days before full blown withdrawals.

#35 1 3/4 Vic's I hope by cutting down before I quit the withdrawals won't be that bad. I can do better and will tonight. I slept pretty good last night I'm hoping the suboxone is gone and I can just quit the Vic's.

Did you taper before time and/or what was your usual dose of the sub?

I'm toying with it. Ive actually never quit soboxone in my time doing it. I half heartedly tried recently but the mind excuses were justifying starting sub again. Ive been taking OP's for 2 wks, then sub for 2 wks for maybe about 5 or 6 mos now. I have no idea if that will help. Theres so many negative stories out there. It makes me anxious.

Either way, I guess Im better off skipping for a few days at least. If I do anything, itll be OP's but Im gonna try not to. Im just so confused. IDK what to do anymore. There's too many excuses I make to myself. Then I end up staying on another month and so it goes. Thank god you're off the subs! You should be proud!

I would be proud if I didn't have to deal with another addiction. Ive been barely taking the Vic's but got hooked fast. 

I did taper over a month like the doctor told me down to 1mg a day for a week and it still sucked. Ive read that some people tapered down to every 2 days 1/2 a mg a day and got off it okay but then others didn't. This will pass if you let it you just have to start. I hope you make it I'm routing for you.