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Erin/Done - if you are out there, can you help me out / advice?

I am starting to feel sick like.. med type sick. Do you think this is an interaction with the sub and norco?

Its approaching the 3 day mark since my last sub, so not sure if this is the true w/d from sub.

Had 3 norco all day.

It might be the withdrawals you were feeling okay yesterday. It took me a couple days to realy start feeling them and even when I took perks i still went through the withdrawals it just helped with some of them. Does it feel like withdrawals? 

Yes, it kind of does, but its better now. Earlier at work, just felt sick and came out of the blue. It lasted about 1hour and went away. I have never experienced any hardcore withdrawals before, so it's new to me if it is.

How long did it last for you? I am hoping not the full 30+ days you have outlined on here.

Full blown withdrawals lasted two weeks. It was bad like a stomach flu you can't sleep during. Don't use to much it'll make the pill withdrawals worse. How much are you taking?

How much as in what?
Sub: 1.5mg Saturday morning, last time I took it.

Norco: 3-4 a day. Script says 5 a day, but I won't take that many.

I am taking these for 2 weeks, then tapering down to crumbs for 3-4 days after that.

# 33 screwed up yesterday took I wanna say 2 5/500 Vic which is 5mg Vic and 500 mg acitametaphine. I didn't think it was very strong but Sunday I took little chips of it all day and felt bad yesterday. By noon I was still laying in bed with 100 things to do so I used again. I found where my boyfriend hide the stash and took chips of it again. I feel rotten! It really is playing with fire and I should be feeling so much better this week then last but now I'm having Vic withdrawals. They aren't bad but I definitely set myself back :(. Cold turkey at some point is a must. This week Imessed it up cause now I have to go back to work and I'm going to use but my next day off I'm stopping everything. The suboxone will be out of my system for 5 weeks so then it'll just be coming off the pills. I could kick myself looking back on how much better I felt last week then I do now. Even on the pills yesterday I felt worse then I did last week at this time.  If you can go coldturkey right from the start I would recommend doing so the withdrawals won't last as long as what I'm going through.

Hi Done - At least you're still better off than a month ago. Im an id**t. I judt keep considering buying OP's. IDK what to do anymore. Once I have the OP's and they are running out, I think oh I shld do sub for a few days then stop. I keep talking myself into stupid sh*t and making excuses. Im beginning to think I just need to suffer b/c no matter what I will. IDK. I wanna quit but I kinda dont feel ready. I know I wont actually quit until Im mad enough. Its not what you messed up that counts, its where you go from here.

Gibson - If you hvae a script for norcos and can actually make them last a month, maybe should do them longer just to ensure if you do a sub taper for 4 days after that you will be really off your 2 wks of sub 1st. Honestly, Ive been through OC WD's sooo many times. I know Id take that any day over two wks even of sub. YOu dont wanna get caught in that cycle of doing noin-sub then sub to get over that, then scared about sub WD still. However, like I said, Ive never actually stopped sub after this point of doing for a couple yrs (except just switching over to pain killers for a couple wks which wldnt give me WD's anyways). Hang in there peeps

Erin - In the past, my RX of 150 Norco would last me about a week before I started sub. Supposed to take 5 daily 'as needed' but I am around 3-4 daily now. It won't last me the full month, I know me and how I tick. I am taking them as needed.

Today before lunch, I started to feel REAL bad, definitely w/d from sub. I took 2 Norco and felt 99% better.
That feeling came out of the blue and immediate, felt bad-bad.

I am going to take them for 2 weeks and then just stop and see what happens and how I feel. If I start feeling bad, time to taper down and do what DONE has been doing, taking crumbs.

As this point, I seriously doubt I can take sub again. The feeling of being "off" for those 14 days was an experience in itself. I can't go back on sub.

2 years ago one of my friends gave me a roxy 30mg, I felt WAY too good and have enough discipline to not take anything like that, I refuse. Norco is the only pain killer I will take.

I am following what Done said, when I wake up, wait an hour and see how I feel, been doing this since Sunday.

As for the pills, I have this mental thing where I HAVE to take something 3 times a day. I need to learn how to overcome that thinking. Maybe that's what we call an 'addict' - IDK... I don't think I want to know.

Oh yah absolutely, def not giving advice lol. Just chatting. I know like I was saying, the mental part is sooo much for me. I've kinda gotten into a cycle unintentionally & it blows. Just saying hope that isn't happening to any one else.  My addict brain makes excuses. So I'm thinking eventually, personally, I just gotta pay.I know me & I couldnt do a sliver of any opiates. Any pain killer out there seems easier to quit than sub. Even if sub WD WAS only two wks, anything besides methadone would be waaay shorter. I'm happy for you that you've found the right path. Best of luck.

BTW your extremely lucky to have found out how much sub sucks so soon. No1 told me & there was no Internet to check at the time. Crisis averted there lol. Doin sub long term is when/how everyone gets screwed w/ months & months of WD's

Erin / Done - your advice is priceless to me, it's REAL, not some doctor saying it's a Disneyland experience and best part I heard "Sub is not addictive"

Just so I am clear and I know you said before but: If I took subs for 14 days: would 2 weeks of not being on sub and taking Norco, I would be in the clear of sub w/d? I am planning this out as best I can.

Reason being, when I stop, it's Christmas time and don't want to be 'freaking out' or something along those lines when that time comes. I do have tramadol as a backup for sleep. My doctor put me on Klonopin .5mg (smallest dose they have) 1 daily for anxiety when my Grandpa & Dad passed away. That I know I am addicted too since it's been a year, actually 12.17.12 will be one year.

It seems it from Dones progress. You would think you would be fine...maybe even before two wks. Then obviously you'll just be coming off norco's ( which is how/why I keep getting in that cycle). Everyone is different but using for only 2 wk will be huge for you. People on sub report WD from not at all - up to 6 mos to be fully WD free. For you, I'd imagine it'll b as if you never did sub BUT clearly Im merely speculating . When I barely did sub I would use it for a wk or two, stop & not feel WD's at all. Not knowing I could have stopped Oxys that way. I believe from Dones posts, she was on sub a while. That's why she was taking slivers of pills after stopping to try & get through the month of WD's. From her last posts it seems she kinda wishes she didn't take pills. Is that right Done? Just saying we are all in a totally diff situation. Especially you...LUCKILY! Yah I know, dying on Christmas isn't on my to do list either. I gotta bake a sh*t load of cookies, etc. then again, I've noticed I always have an excuse for me not to quit. Lol have a good day :)

Doctors definitely either don't know about the side effects if this drug or don't care. If I were you I'd try to stop your next day off before your on the pills to long. See how you feel hold out as long as you can. Don't take any for minor withdrawals only if it's extreme. You might be off the subs by then justtry. 

#34 took 2 Vic yesterday going to try to take less today. What I don't understand is if I'm taking Vic's why cant I sleep? I woke up at 4:30 this morning 2 hours before my alarm. I don't get it plus I had a crazy dream that I was trashing my house looking for the guys number that used to sell Perks to me. I want to be free so bad.

LOL yah, youll prob have dreams like that a lot. Your prob just nervous bout quitting...pills on brain. I know for me, when I quit anything I end up dreaming about it for a long time. Also, any time the days leading up to quitting, I was sooo worried it was hard to sleep. Plus taking so little of course it's outta your systemquicker.

IDK what to do. Done, did you taper a sh*t load over a long period of time b4 stopping? Aside from it being different for everyone, in general, do you think people trying to quit sub should just  taper & do nothing? For you personally, has the benefits of taking the files outweighed the negatives? From your experience what is better off? IDK if I shld get OP's again, just taper or what. I guess eventually just gotta suffer & get the actions into work. Since I haven't yet, I'm beginning to think I'm not ready but at same time I wanna be off pills. It's tough.

I dont think anyone can every truly be ready you just gotta do it. I think the pills for me helped a lot at first but I should have stopped last week. Now I feel like I should be off the subs and am back on the pills which is not the way I wanted to go. I Do feel okay right now so I'm going to do my best to not take anything even though I have to work. I wish I knew why the sleep thing is still bad I took two pills last night and slept 4 hours. I was on subs for 3 1/2 months how long is this going to last or is it the Vic's I wish I had answers.