The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

Hi Roxy :) Congratulations on going to school!!!!! My daughter is going to school also and wants to be an orthodontist. I don't know if you can answer this question but I really wonder if I have damaged my receptors for life. I don't know if suboxone has been studied very much but it has done something strange to me. My psychiatrist has no problem with me switching over to vicodin but will not prescribe it. He says that by day 5 I will feel the vicodin. I'm just not so sure about that. I wonder what it is doing to me in comparison to an opiate. Whenever I took hydrocodone (which I believe is the same thing as vicodin and norco) it never blocked my love for music and never made me feel depressed. If you're thinking it's because I've been on it for so long that is not the reason. It happened right away with my pleasure for music. I just dealt with it because I thought I could get off of it anytime. I really do believe that it is a miracle drug for some people, just not me. I also believe it should only be taken for severe withdrawals but I am not against anyone who feels better on it and is functioning normally. I do not judge people. I just wish I knew the answers to all the questions I have. All I know is this is no way to live and I don't think I can keep living like this for too much longer. Do you think after 5 days that vicodin will work for me? I'm really not looking to get high. I just don't ever want to go through those cold turkey withdrawals ever again. If I would have known I think I would have never put myself through that but the doctor in the hospital (a very highly rated addictionologist) treated me the same as if I was addicted to vicodin and I think he also couldn't understand why I wasn't feeling better. That experience kind of wrecked me trying to get off of this and cost me $14,000.00 which I could have given my daughters for school and my other daughter has a house. Thank you so much for offering your help to all of us!!!! I'm so looking forward to hearing from you and also anyone else who would like to comment. Sincerely, Larsy1966

Also, I've heard this from many sites "tramadol is what they use in the army to get soldiers off of suboxone". I wonder if tramadol would work better? I'm willing to try almost anything but iboga. I heard that works also but it's like an acid trip and I'm too afraid and too skeptical. Larsy :)

First off, all the people that are doggin on suboxone and saying it's this evil drug are wrong. We wouldn't even have to be on this stuff if we had never tried heroin or opiates. That was our choice. Even though suboxone can have some shitty side effects, I'm so glad and thankful for it because I would have never been able to get off heroin without it. So looking at your doctor and getting mad that he placed you on this "evil thing" is stupid because he wasn't the one that made you do drugs, did he? While I do think suboxone is better than methadone, I would never tell anyone that methadone is bad if it was working for them. About the girl who commented above about her sponsor not willing to go through the steps with her until she got off suboxone is ridiculous. That's none of her sponsor's business! The program is not suppose to interfere with your doctor's treatment. This is exactly why you shouldn't even bring up suboxone to your sponsor in the first place. Being on suboxone for a year and a half though, I feel like I'm ready to get off. I do have bad side effects of like severe constipation and morning stiffness. I have tapered down from 8mg to 2mg. I'm going to doctor's soon to get on the 2mg strips since I'm cutting the 4mg strips now in half. I'm hoping that by getting on the 2mg strips and then tapering down from that won't be too bad if I cut it in tiny pieces. I definitely recommend people tapering from 8mg strip down to the 4mg strip down to a 2mg strip. Don't just taper down from your 8mg strip because I did that and it didn't matter how tiny I cut the pieces when I got to the end, I still felt it! So get the 4mg and 2mg when you ready. The end is the hardest. Anyways, I wish everyone the best of luck and prey that we all can stay sober. :)

I think the argument is more that people people (including myself) that many but not all dr's knowingly over-prescribe suboxone. Subutex is a better alternative and I think many dr.s know it. It does work as advertised - there's just more to it than many people realize.

Gibson - I'm genuinely glad that it worked for you. i think some people have the ability to use opiates and benzos in the short term and move on. It does help withdrawal. I just personally believe that you'll have more of a shot at staying permanently clean if you don't substitute subs for something else. I know that pain pills and klonopin would help with withdrawal but they'd most likely start the circle all over again.

First of all Ms Mcbride Adolf Hitler and his mistress Eva Braun committed suicide in 1945 when the allies were rapidly closing in on his bunker at the Reich chancery garden in Berlin. To be a clinical psychologist I would have assumed you knew a little about history and the lifespan of the man you are referencing. Adolf could not have drew a breath in the 1950s meaning he could not have invented methadone. Methadone was invented in 1937 by German scientists Max Bockmühl and Gustav Ehrhart at IG Farben, however the drug was not mass produced until ww2 as a result of a shortage of morphine. Iam not trying to be mean I just wanted to clear that up.

Ok. Let me say that way to many posts are "when can I do more c**p that got me here in the first place after taking suboxone" Sad! Sad! I'm no angel! I've done 30 percs 10/325 up my nose for years off and on. Even snorting norcos. So when I see idiots, and that's what you are, wanting to go back to opiates after deciding to do suboxone, your just in it to get high. And I DON'T BLAME YOU!!! That's why we're here. Period. I to miss percs. But I started suboxone after 48 hour detox, CT! There is no other way. And I would assume most go back because it's to painful. I don't blame you. But there comes a time like anything bad, to face it. And with this, there is no soft way out. Period. I know. It sucks. We all have addictions. Everyone on the planet. Working, daily routines, and so one. So it makes one feel good and to break that like loosing your routine by force, being fired, business goes under, forced to move and so on, we freak out. And trade our addictions for another. I'm here for one thing. I started suboxone last night. I took 4 mg and it seamed way to much. After a 400mg, $400 a day habit, I hit rock bottom. I couldn't sell anything or make enough money to support it anymore. We all have the moment maybe breif, that we are done with the hustle. But WD's keep us away from getting clean. I am doing what my freind did. Doctors get kick backs from prescribing suboxone. A certified doctor has to complete a special certified training from the manufacture of suboxone/subutex and Merck, as well take a board certified state test as well as the medical board. There are huge hoops for doctors but the financial gain once established as a subs doctor is unreal. I cannot say the doctors name but will in future posts once off subs, that a close friend works for this doctor. That's how I got in to see him. Once it's determined that your a canidate and referals are issued, it cost $360 for consultation. If your in WD's more than 48 hours, the doctor will test your urine to determine opiates are in your system and to what extent to make sure you've told the truth to prevent precipitated WD's, he starts you off with 8mg. I wasn't in full WD's so he told me to wait 2-3 days. So, suboxone manufacture gives you a $50 co pay card. I was told it will cover full expense. It did not. And another note, once perscribed subs, your put on a DEA list. Preventing you from getting opiates without a ton of paperwork! As well, you cannot travel to certain countries! So beware making this choice. So back to the real deal, it cost $250 for script! That's with discount! It cost 18 cents to produce one 8mg dose! IM NOT A CONSPIRACIST! These are facts. And when someone is desperate, who cares. And that is why this always gets overlooked. Methadone has come down in price over decades as other manufacturers are able to produce it. So, the doctor gets a monthly kick back from the producer for each dose perscribed. So a doctor can get drunk with greed after awhile. Unless he or she is truly in it as an ex addict. But wait! Doctors who abused opiates are not allowed to be licensed to perscribe subs or methadone. Period. That's the case for 47 states. So try this. The nurse working for the doctor used to work at a detox center. After waiting at least 24 hours if your drug was percs, Vic's, or herion, (not methadone. You must wait at least 3 days or your going to get horribly sick) take the 8mg dose and cut it into thirds. Take first dose at 7pm. After 2 hours you do not feel better, take another third. I felt better on only a third. The next day take another third at 10 am. Try and last to the following day and take another third. The 3rd day, cut the 8mg into 1/4s. Take a 1/4 that day. The 4th day take another 1/4. On the 5th day start taper. Cut into five even peices. Take one of those for 2 days. Then cut them into 6 peices. Take that one day. Then cut them into 8 small peices. Take that for one day. Then try to cut tape into 10 small peices. Take for 1 day. And I know this sounds crazy but in a detox, they are able to get small doses of pill form. Anyway. Cut one of the 10 small peices and take that the last day. You will feel some discomfort after that for 4 days. But that is ONLY the opiates you originally stopped. Your receptors have to deal with it. But! It's far better than cold turkey. I don't know why they don't tell you this short term. Why? Because profit. But more than that, they say you need to be on suboxone to get back on track. But the longer you take it, the FAR WORSE GETTING OFF IT as it works on the MO receptors while cleaning and blocking the receptors that opiates put to sleep. So, It's worked for so many. But you have to want to be opiate free! Fight it! While on suboxone for that week, do the extreme. Go take steams at the gym and drink a ton of water. It flushes your system. Try doing this 2 times a day for a week. Push yourself to excersise. I know it sucks. But imagine something in your past you had to endure! Anything you felt was tough as heck. And apply it. Pretend your getting back at someone. Say "ok. Look at me now! " it helps. I know it sounds stupid. You only have one life. And it's your smarts that will change you. Younger people tend to feel nothing will hurt them until they try and detox. No one is that tough. Detoxing off opiates can show anyone it's tough. And medically, it puts your body and emotions to the lowest place you can go. It's not like having the flu! That's a joke. I'm not a doctor and I only told what I know. Always ask your doctor what's best and make suggestions and do your own research. These doctors don't know this battle well as they jet off to go play golf at thier condos. That will all end once obamacare is in full effect. So less qaulified people will become a doctor now. Sad. Took a broken system and destroyed it instead if making it better.

Anyone wanting to get off suboxone go to the withdrawal ease website and click on George's blog on the left. He has a 6 month taper plan that I myself just completed and I'm on day 11 and feel ok. At the end of the taper plan u get down to .5 milligrams onice every week. It's not easy which nothing is when it comes to subs but I never lost a night of sleep, never got to where I couldn't eat or work.  I'm still not sleeping well but after being on subs for 4 years at an average of 8 milligrams a day I didn't figure I would benormal after 11 days. But I could see me being pretty close to normal at 30'days. Some of us have jobs and get drug tested and can't use other drugs to get off which I wouldn't recommendanyways but a slow taper plan is the only way to go. When u start skipping days of dosing is when it gets tough but it's def. doable. Also go to YouTube and check out videos of people getting off subs. 

I have been on suboxene 8mgs for a year. Tired of feeling tired and dead inside I wanted off . I did wean too fast but I wanted this c**p out of my system. I went from 8mg to 4mg to none in about a week. Yes stupid but I didn't want another day on Sub. I went 4 days with zero suboxene. It has been the worse experience of my life. I couldn't make it to the 5th day. The fever, aches, chills and UNBELIEVABLE sweats that started around 3am was a nightmare. I literally had several pjs and sheets ready each nite b 4 bed. Wakin up with the sweat and chills on wet bedding and clothes was unbearable. When I went to detox for 6 days to get off Painkillers about 2 yrs ago it was NOTHING like withdrawals from sub. Even when on sub. For the year I was always tired, numb hated my life. I feel like I lost a year of my life being on this. Then I was taking tons of advil, anti-inflammatories, benadryl, when goin thru the withdrawal phase which is where I am now. I couldn't take another day/night on this poison so I was gonna go to 2mgs and just stay on that for awhile and taper off. But then I thought when I go off the 2mgs I'll be goin thru all this withdrawal c**p again. SO WHY GO BACK ON IT??? HOW THE HELL DO I GET OFF OF THIS POISON? Then I found this forum and read the posting from big A and thought, I do have some oxys left, I'll try it his way. Its better then going back on the suboxene isn't it? Getting off pain killers is nothing compared to try and get off this s*#t! These Drs don't know how potent this c**p is. We do! Who ya gonna listen to Drs who were never on it and r in cahoots with the pharmacutical companies? Or us guinea pigs that trusted our doctors. Also, I gave my husband a crumb to c if he would get a buzz. I almost had to rush him to the ER he couldnt stop puking and said he was tripping. The pc I gave him was about 2mgs or less. The person who said whoever invented this stuff should get the death penalty wasn't kidding. The little uncomfortable feeling I had when off the painkillers I should of stuck it out. I ended up making things 100percent worse for my self. So to Megan McBride who said what Big a said was the most dumbest post she ever read, HAS NO CLUE! Like I said today I was gonna go on 2mgs until I read Big A's post. I woke feverish, chills, sweats like I wanted to die again and then took his advice and took a 10mg of oxycodone. I immediately felt better. I'm going to get the supplements he suggested and do it his way. 2months on low dosages of oxy's and go on tiny bits of suboxene for 4 days. Those that r on Sub. even at a low dosage will find it untolerable when they go down to nothing. After about 4 or 5th day u won't be able to take it anymore(don't forget when ur weaning off suboxene, that period of time u feel so bad, then the 4 days off of it?) U will read other stories, how bad it is for ur body and u will try Big A's advice. I appreciate you Big A taking the time to write all that u did. Why would anyone want to go on stronger stuff that's more difficult to get off of then the original stuff u wanted to get off of in the first place????

A lot of what you say is true. Good post. However, I don't believe that you're put on the DEA's list. I had no paperwork and highly doubt their watching.

I don't doubt for a second the kickbacks and rigamarole that goes along with training and setting up new sub shops. It's a complete racket. I have debated about going back to mine ever since the day I've been off and just telling people to open their eyes. Hopefully one day everyone can get off of it.

Do you think this would work with methadone?

Hi. I need help so bad. I was never addicted to any opiates. My doctor put me on subutex for depression/anxiety. It's been about 3 and 1/2 years and my highest dose ever was 12 mgs. per day (6 in the morning and 6 at around dinner time). This dose was too high for me so I would have to say for the majority of the time I took 8 mgs. per day. I am now at 4 mgs. per day. My daughter's want me to go away for help but I am so scared and it's very expensive also (but I'd give up everything I had to get off of this drug and get my feelings back. I was in the hospital a couple of years ago and they took me off cold turkey and it was unbelievable how sick I was and it scared me to death. When I came home from the hospital after 5 days I took a 2 mg. suboxone. I wish I could have had some hydrocodones instead but I had no way of getting them. I just wonder if they would have worked. I have combed the internet daily for 2 years now and I just wonder why I never saw Big A's message. I feel like it's too late now. I feel like my brain will never be the same. Did you take subs also or just the norcos? I'd love to hear from you or anyone who feels like I do or did and got help. Praying for help. Sincerely, Larsy1966

I'm not gunna lie to you - it's frustrating to here that doctor's are prescribing this for anxiety/depression. If you've never had an addiction problem, I can't imagine why a doctor would go down this path. I'm not a doctor so I can't question his/her judgement but I'd suggest getting a second opinion.

Regardless, you're in a position now where you need to get off. You're brain will be the same - it just takes time. I know you don't to hear that. We all want a quick fix. I would suggest/advise not going the norco route. In the last few pages alone there have been a few people who recommend using opiates for getting off of subs. This works for some people and might work for you since you've never had an addiction problem. HOWEVER - the best and most permanent route that I've seen is a [very] gradual taper using non-addictive medicine. I would ask your doctor about medicine to help with withdrawal symptoms like Clonidine, Vistaril, Magnesium and potentially something like Phenobarbital (barbituate) or a mild benzo like Librium. These will help quite a bit and be the best long-term solution for staying clean and healthy.

Good luck and stick around. Everyone is great here.

really? shooting 5090 mils of oxy? really???? i find that VERY hard to believe. In fact I CALL BS.

It's not a contest.

'We are not interested in what or how much you used or who your connections were, what you have done in the past, how much or how little you have, but only in what you want to do about your problem and how we can help. '

I was in detox with a guy that had no wd from heroin. It was pretty insane given the hell I've been through.

That is so stupid why not just stay on the suboxones I wouldn't advise anybody get back on opiates for any period of time don't listen that guy.