The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

Dose makes no different. Whether you get off at 0.5 or 0.1 your going to suffer the same amount that is a PROMISE!

I agree, There is something that no one seems to mention about sub too. The drug company told the doctors and patients and still do, that Sub is easy to come off. IF someone who was just taking a small amount of painkillers shouldn't be treated the same as someone, who shot 20 bags a day of dirt. In Europe no one takes more then 4 mg's a day and they ween them off. Even a Dr. told me the company never told him, how to ween his patients off properly. Plus they lost the Anti-trust case about monopolizing the market and not allowing a good affordable generic. I can't believe they are allowed to get people trying to get help, hooked on something 20 or 30 times stronger then morphine and tell them, they can come off anytime they like, just cut down. Well almost every person i have known or read post's of, have the same story they can get down to 4mgs or even 2 mgs but never get off this awful drug. Legal drug dealers, they get you hooked kill off the competition and jack the price. Sounds more like the bloods and crips , then not only RB but our government as well. The FDA should not allow people to be on 32 mgs a day. That is just pure ridiculous.

You are full of sh*t. No one believes you and anyone that has ever had an addiction to opiates knows that you can't "just think of something else." It is not possible. Oh, and 5090 mg of oxy? SO YOU WERE DOING ALMOST 200 BLUES A DAY?? You are full of it and people please don't listen to this person. Also, it isn't spelled "Saboxone,"it's SUBOXONE. You would know that if you took it. Do not go back on the pills people, either. Everyone that has been through serious opiate addiction knows how fast you can spiral out of control. Listen to your doctors, taper off, and go to meetings with people that have been through it and can offer support. Good luck and stop with the BS.

I totally agree w you. I was put on this c**p after my pain clinic went out of bussiness. Before this i was actually put on a low mg of methadone. I was actually put on by my psychitrist. I have 3 bulged disks in my back, and she thought this might help me as she has used this for other patients with back problems.. Now i think she was trying to help, but this drug has ruined my life. She started me on 16 mgs 2 8 mgs strips a day. At first I felt great , no pain, no withdrawles,but after a sarted feeling really horrible.My health started to fail, My face started to break out,and my hair started to fall out I went to the doc and got a full check up. Everything came back fine. I also startd getting very depressed, and didnt know why. All I wanted to do was lay around and sleep, and started getting major anxiety. I also started noticing my pain was getting worse. I started suppecting it was the suboxone. When i went to my Dr, again I told him I wanted to get off, and he was very supportive. He loaths it. His plan was for me to just cold turkey go off of it, go through the withdrawels, and he would put me on percocet. I was very hesitant, as i did my research, and i found out that FOR EVERY 2 MGS OF SUBOXONE IT IS EQUAL TO 50 MGS OF MORPHINE! If I had known this in the begining I would never have startedthis drug. But I did it anyway. He wanted me to stay off of it for at least 5 days. For the first couple of days I felt fine. But then it hit me , the throwing up, the excessive diharea, nausea evry second, pounding head ache, hot sweats, then freezing to death, excessive tiredness. I felt the worst I have ever felt in my life, and then some. I felt like I was going to die! Not to mention the horrid depression! kEEP IN MIND I HAVE BACK PAIN. After bearing this for 5 days I went back to my doc,and he gave me some 7.5 percs. I eagerly took them thinking i was going to get out of this hell. but i was still experiancing the withdrawels, almost as bad. And i didnt dare take more then i should , for fear that I would run out. I called my doc back, and asked what was going on , and why wasnt i feeling better? What he didnt tell me in the first place was that because the suboxoxne was soooooooooo much stronger then the percs, I was going to be in withdrawls for as long as 3 months. There was NO way i could do this. I have a child ,and am a single mother ,and i have a life to mantain. He told me to ride it out. After a week of this , I could no longer do this. I went back to my doctor, and told him i was in so much pain and so sick I was suicidal. He decided to put me on methadone again. I was so relieve, and imediatedly filled them and took one. Still the pain and withdrawels! What the hell? I had no idea what to do. I couldnt do ANYTHING! I was so sick, I really thought I was going to kill myself! In fact it got so bad i had to call an ambulance. Now they just treated me like a drug addict at the hospital. Gave me delatin(sorry if my spelling is sooo bad lol). which did help, but didnt last long , and sent me home. Ya that helped alot. I was as bad as ever. This went on for another week or 2, I was so suicidal. I actually called my x ,and told him I was going to kill myself, and I was. He took my child , and forced me to go to the ER. Ya another great idea. I told them that if i didnt get some help I was going to do it. Same thing, treated me like a drug addict, gave me a phsyc drug, and put me in the mental ward. When I got there my physchitrist wanted to put me back on the suboxone. at this point I didnt know what to do and I would do anything to get out of this misery. so agian I was back on this c**p. Yes the withdrawels went away, and most of the pain, but once again i felt like s#@&. So I decided I had nothing to lose, and my drs were not about to help me, I was going to slowly wean myself off of this stuff, I started dropping 8mgs at a time. I went from 16 mgs to 8 without too much of a problem it was hard , but tollerable. It started getting hard at 8 mgs, but I kept on going. The funny thing is ,is that my pain was the same as it was on the full 16. I kept going dropping 2 mgs every 2 weeks. The major thing that I noticed Was the depression , and the fuzzy yucky feeling in my head, just not feeling normal. but the again my pain leval ws the same. Now when you get down to 2 mgs ,it is the hardest. I startd getting flu symptoms, nausea, headache, diharea. But after riding it out for a couple weeks it would slowly go away. I am currently on 1 mg, and i fell like I am stuck. I went to my physchitrist for advice on how to get off completly. To my surprise she didnt want me to get off, saying why would I want to put myself through this ,and even wanted me to up my mg again! Now im thinking she just wants the write off for the rx. I am determained to get off this stuff, even if it has to take awhile, i will do it! I am feeling pretty crappy right now as I have lowered my dose again 3 days ago, but I only have 1 mg to go! I am very proud of myself:). I am hopeing that when I am completly off ,my pain will be tolerable, as I think opiates make it worse. The reason I am tellling this story is because I do not want ANYONE to have to endure what i have.I would rahter have 10 babies at one time, than do this again! PLEASE EVERYONE,DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE U GET ON THIS DRUG! It is something from the devil! And yes I agree, Whoever made it SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH! Thank you yo whoever takes the time to read my story, and the horrors of this drug! Sorry about the bad spelling, its late and im tired lol.

Hello all! I was on here ONE YEAR ago and BEEN CLEAN SINCE!!!! This is like my anniversary more or less.

Does the Immodium thing work? YES!

I tried it 2 times and the second time did it for me. The mental part was the hardest. The feelings of pain meds or sub, I 101% honest just didn't want to feel like that anymore.

The feeling of being CLEAN is X 1,000 is better then any drug out there. I promise you that.

I basically wanted to come back here and read my old posts (es355gibson name) and see what I was thinking back one year ago.

Guys - it breaksdown like this:You are taking XX drug now.. then what? Score more... then what? Score.. Then what.  IT CANNOT go on forever. I did pain meds for 10 freggin years and you name it, I did it and with a big supply and no dang money. Also, I have a family and 2 kids, wonderful well paying job, house etc, all the stuff.....But secretly on the side, downing pain meds. Mentally I was just done.

I honestly think that is the biggest hurdle, the mental. The physical will go away with immodium and take less and less each day AFTER 5 days. IT DOES WORK. 

Sub on the other hand, I took that junk for 20 days and no way, the fog of that c**p and 'want-want' was WAY to strong after 3 days of not taking it. Strictly against subs 101%

Read back to November of last year, it was hard figuring HOW to do the immodium thing, but works, saved my butt. Clean for right about a year. The REAL feelings of happy / sad etc is way more powerful then a buzz

I was taking at the time of quitting 20-30 Norco 10/325mg and few Roxy 30mg DAILY.

I took them all one day as 'going away party' and before I went to bed, took 20 immodium.

Woke up the next day feeling ok, maybe 80-90% total. Lazy? Yes a bit but not really. Then 10 immdioum 3 times a day (breakfast, lunch dinner) for 5 days. After that, each day, took one away... days went on and ZERO. Felt fine. Little foggy but 3 days later, I was 100% truly free!!!

Guys I am serious, I have been there where you are, 10 years worth. Just the amount of money gone... Screw it. I couldn't do it.

YOU just have to think and think hard, change your mentality of what these pills are, what advantage do you have taking them, what are hurting (your back pocket and possibly family finances) JUST THINK.

Seriously, I thought I was last person on earth quitting, just loved it waaaay to much but the above mentioned things started to get worse after 10 years (family, money, job) and I had to do something.

I can say while quitting, Klonopin with immodium sealed the envelope on any anxiety, but SMALL amounts through out the day.

NO Xanex, c**p is rough to get off. I have used every dang RX out there Xanex is the worst flat-out.

I had to put this in writing to HOPEFULLY help someone else because it saved my life, family, job and having money for family things etc.

The feeling of FREE of RX's is Way-Way-Way better then anything. My childhood stunk, that was my reason of taking them, that's my thinking. But you have to think "Why am I taking these?" Sort stuff out and set goals with the immodium

All that stuff about imoddium clogging you up.. BS not true a bit. Maybe 1-2 days out of 3 weeks I took them, who cares, nothing happened to my body.

JUST DO IT, GET OFF THEM. YOU WILL BE THE HAPPIEST PERSON ON EARTH = PROMISE!

es355gibson

Sorry - one more thing, the supply you are getting, burn bridges and cut them OFF. Way to dang tempting. STOP....STOP-STOP!! No more.

What a great story & outlinne to your quittin' - awesom !!!!

Do whatever you must to stay off the suboxone. I've been on oxycontin 80 mg twice daily for 14 years. I started off on only 10mg twice daily. The only way to be successfully detoxed with suboxone, is to only take it for 5 days or less. Otherwise you just switch one narcotic for another. I have an unlimited supply of pain medicine yet for the last 14 years, I've dreamed of the day I could be medication free. I have gone into inpatient detox centers only to realize that my dependence upon the medications will always be a struggle as I have a very painful condition called sickle cell anemia. You have to make up in your mind that you will be free from the dependence and it will manifest in your life. I have great compassion for any person with legitimate pain issues who got addicted to the very thing that genuinely helped make their pain bearable. Prayer really does change things as well and when we are weak and at our wits end then Christ is strong.

I got off opiates by the Immodium AD route, worked great along with Klonopin for anxiety. Now I am trying to get off Klonopin = SUPER-SUPER-SUPER HARD. I was 1.5mg daily and my doctor said I could just STOP and be ok. 4 days later I ended up in the ER with a seizure, never had one in my life until then, 2 days before Christmas.

I am not sure if I should beat the day-lights out of my EX-doc or move on and find a new one.

The ER doc, NP, ER Nurse - they all agree you just don't stop Klonopin, S L O W ween is the ONLY way to go.

That really ticks me off. I almost passed away due to a crappy doctor that I have been seeing for 10 years. I put my faith in this guy and he is still adament that could just stop.

I see him in 2 days and following will happen:

1) Put me back on Klonopin to stabilize myself

2) Put in a headlock and bounce his head off the desk a couple of times

 

I have a great job, family, mortgage etc - all was in jeporady because of this.

 

Coming off subs is not that bad. A lot better then coming off pills. You just need to be strong keep your mind busy and stay positive what ever you put your mind to you can do.

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I just went through the same after being on suboxone for too many years. Got down to almost the lowest dosages and I lost my will power when I went through terrible withdrawals for 6 days. I cracked and somehow my "friend" knew someone who took 8mg suboxone strips. I was down to 2mg's when I just stopped recently and in the past I have been down to .5mg's. So why Did I go back to using the subs before my script is ready in 2 days...I literally felt like I was dying. Could not keep any food down, had the runs, restlessness all that good stuff...I was started on the subs at 8mg's and before the induction visit was over I had been given 16mg's because I wasn't feel good still. Well anything 8mg's or above is way too high for any doctor to start you on. I wish I knew it was an Opiate REPLACEMENT therapy and not a quick solution. I should have continued withdrawals and just deal, instead of getting suboxone to help me because it hasn't helped all that much in the past 2 days. Still can hardly keep any food down but crackers and water/gatorade. I'm starving, but scared to eat. I need to taper off correctly starting this Thursday when my script is filled. I already took small pieces of the suboxone strip I got and (I will say the strip has it's way of making you sick alone). I was used to first the orange pills then now a faster dissolving white pill. That bitter orange taste did not help my stomache! So, without blabbing more, I wish everyone luck with this medicine and to try to taper off correctly. Look it up online because my doctor has had no real clue how to do that. Also look up the Thomas recipe for when you can get off the meds you have backup stuff that will curb your withdrawal symptoms. I am not a doctor or anything, but I'm 27 and I used pain killers from 14-23 years old then have been on suboxone for almost 5 years. That is not how long you should be on this. Do your research on suboxone before seeing a doctor for it. My doctor started me on too high a dose and tapered me totally wrong, so do yourself a favor and research more about the subs before deciding to take what is suppose to help you "change your life". I believe it can do a good thing for you if you are started at a low dose, not higher than 1-2mg's, even for someone like me who used opiates hardcore for about 8 years beforehand. 8mg's+ will just get you stuck on these meds like the monkey that used to be stuck on my back before (painkillers/opiates). I wish everyone the best of luck and say a prayer for me with my new knowledge - I plan to taper off this c**p once and for all in the next few months.

I'm with you on that. Call it what u want. I've got the same method down to the T. It works, coming from a very heavy oxy and suboxone user. These sub doctors obviously don't understand how strong they are, there a joke.

I Agree, - IF we Only had That kind of Control • it's Hard any Way U Slice it. Especially As You Get older. I'm Scared to DEATH! I WANT OUT. Seems TO Me it needs to Be A Combination Of Weaning Down To Crumbs(yes, crumbs. I Can't Believe How Powerful This stuff Really is) Physical excersise• ( GOT To! THAT Will Help Bring BACK Some Feel Good Receptor action) Ridiculous! DO And Be with STUFF And People That MAKE You Feel Accomplished and good About yourself. THAT DAMNED Depression! And Nutrition→Vitamins→ Good Food, Plenty OR Water. And get yourself A Best Friend• I Got A Dog. She loves Me! THAT's My Plan. I'm still Working Though it. I Feel like Crying A Lot! CLAMY• WHAT to DO !?

Thank you big A I truly believe this is the best way to go who wants to go from one habit to the next . I was on subs came off them with 30mg of condone now I have my four sobos and I want to be done with all of it. It is such a terrible drug narcotics. It became the master of my mind well No more. I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. I love your advise the best and I thank you. Tomorrow I start my process and more importantly if we ask Jesus for help he will without a doubt take us right through it. God Bless you!!!!!!!!

I was a dope fein from 16-21 and it took 18 months of inpatient rehab that cost $16, 000 a month to get off the heroin... I got out of rehab in the summer of 2006... its now march of 2014... I have been tapering since august of 2013... was on 16mg a day for over 5 yrs (I stopped for 1 1/2 yrs while I ate painkillers by the handful and got back on subs when I went back to school)... Now I'm at 1/8 a strip a day and it F***IN SUCKS MAN... I CANT TELL U THE LAST NORMAL BOWEL MOVEMENT I HAD WAS... OR THE LAST TIME I SLEPT WITHOUT DREAMING THAT MY TEETH WERE FALLING OUT... WHEN I CAN SLEEP... WHICH IS ONLY FOR A FEW HRS A NIGHT (5 MAYBE)... CANT EAT FOR SH¡T, HAVE NERVOUS FEELING ALL THE TIME LIKE BUTTERFLIES ON UR FIRST DAY OF HIGH SCHOOL... HEAD ACHE AND LOWER BACK PAIN THAT WONT LET UP FOR A GD SECOND... COLD CHILLS LIKE I HAD WHEN I WAS DOING 2 BUNDLES A DAY AND WENT WITHOUT DOING ANY DOPE FOR A DAY OR TWO... SO FN DEPRESSED FEELING ITS UNBAREABLE... I CANT GET COMFORTABLE FOR MORE THAN 2 MINS.... I HAVE RESTLESS LEGS LIKE A MF'ER... SOMETIMES I WONDER IF IT'D BE BETTER NOT TO HAVE LEGS... WTF!!! F U RICKETT BENSON... F U TRINITY WELLNESS CENTER... THIS SH¡T IS SO MUCH HARDER TO GET OFF FROM THAT THE BEST WHITE CHINA HEROIN THE BRONX OR HOLYOKE MASS HAS EVER SOLD ME.... THIS GARBAGE IS PURE EVIL... MY HEAD IS SO F'D UP FROM SUBOXONE I DONT THINK ILL EVER RECOVER... I HAVENT FELT LIKE ANYTHING MATTERS FOR YEARS... AND THATS ALL I WANT BACK... I WANT TO LOOK AT MY LITTLE BOYS FACE AND FEEL LIKE I AM THE LUCKIEST MAN ALIVE... I LOVE MY SONS TO DEATH BUT I DONT FEEL THE LOVE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO FEEL... I CANT FEEL PROUD OF MYSELF FOR NOTHING... OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER... I DONT KNOW HOW MY WIFE DIDNT LEAVE MY AZZ A LONG TIME AGO... SHE TELLS ME ALL THE TIME "DO U CARE ABOUT ANYTHING.... ARE U NOT PROUD OUR SON'S TEAM WON THE BB CHAMPIONSHIP... WHY R U SO EMPTY INSIDE? DO U NOT LOVE ME AND OUR FAMILY?".... ALL I CAN SAY IS "YES, OF COURSE I DO, DONT BE RIDICULOUS"... BUT THE TRUTH IS I DONT AND CANT FEEL AN F'ING THING AND ITS NOT JUST CUZ OF ALL THE DOPE I DID AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE... AND I DIDNT USED TO BE LIKE THIS... AND I HOPE ITS NOT JUST THE WAY I AM GONNA BE FOREVER, CUZ IF IT IS THAT IM GOING OUT KAMOKAZI STYLE INTO THE RICKETT BENSON BUILDING... LOL... Trust me... if u can't kick dope then its cuz u haven't lost enough of urself, ur things, ur famy and friends, ur freedome... try a little harder and once u have nothing u will be a whole lot more ready to make changes in ur life... SUBOXONE IS ONLY GONNA SCREW UP UR BRAIN, EMOTIONS, KIDNEYS, THE ONLY CHANCE TO FINDING LIFE THE WAY EVERYONE ELSE FINDS IT AND LIVES IT HAPPILY WITHOUT DRUGS AND BOOZ... AND IF UR JUST HOOKED ON PILLS THEN TOUGH IT OUT ... SUBOXONE IS STRONGER THAN AN OC 80 SO DONT GET ALL WRAPPED UP INTO A BOX THAT U HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN... CUZ IM TELLING YA RIGHT NOW THAT BEING ON SUBOXONE LONG TERM IS A BATTLE U DO NOT EVER WANT TO CHOOSE... THE ONLY WINNER WILL BE RICKETT BENSON AND UR DOCTOR... WHILE U PUSH ON THINKING UR DOING GOOD THINGS THAT WERENT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SUBOXONE.... YEAH, I BELIEVED IT TOO... TILL I WAS BALLS DEEP IN WITHDRAWLS AFTER TAPERINGFROM 16MG TO 1/8 AN 8 MG STRIP IN 9 MONTHS... HOPEFULLY I WILL MAKE IT THRU THIS BUT IF I END UP BACK ON SUBOXONE OR BACK IN THE HOOD COPPING BUNDLES AGAIN... WELL WHO'S TO BLAM REALLY... I FELL FOR THE SUBOXONE FAIRY TALE... THATS ALL.